Why is evolution right?

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Sep 25, 2012
 
MazHere wrote:
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I am a credentialled social worker and an expert in my field. I have done research methods. I have done BIO101 and worked in labs, then decided there was more money in psychology.
One does not need to be a crdentialled scientist to read and understand.
Indeed it is you evos that go bla bla bla.
You did not refute a sinlg words I said. That would be because every word I said about the current state of evolutionary theory is correct
You lot prance around like egotistical boofheads tooting that your evolutionary theory is so well supported. It is not. What supports evolution is misrepresentation.
You are claiming that science proves evolution wrong therefore Goddidit with magic. You are claiming that science you already reject for theological reasons falsifies evolution, a theory you reject for theological reasons.

Try again.

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You are claiming that science proves evolution wrong therefore Goddidit with magic. You are claiming that science you already reject for theological reasons falsifies evolution, a theory you reject for theological reasons.
Try again.
Creationist liar!
Lol

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<quoted text>Creationist liar!
Lol
Heretics teem...

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Sep 25, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Even me.
Where's that pre-Cambrian rabbit again?
Is that a wascally, pre-Cambrian wabbit?

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Sep 25, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Is that a wascally, pre-Cambrian wabbit?
Pwe-Cambwian, but yes.

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macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Heretics teem...
I blame global warming.

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Sep 26, 2012
 
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I blame global warming.
I was thinking of the worldwide tinfoil-hat shortage.

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Sep 26, 2012
 
MazHere wrote:
Nuggin said....
"First of all, your position does not allow for the existence of extinct species AT ALL. If species have gone extinct, then God has failed.
Second of all, the fact that an organism in the past is extinct while a similar organism in the present is not means that the species from the past DID evolve."
You are an idiot. Firstly, God wiped out all life in the flood for starters.
He did?
I thought he instructed Noah to preserve all species from extinction.
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Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I blame global warming.
THE KITTENS!!!

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Pulled this into a separate post because I want to address it specifically.
You are presenting this article as if it were arguing that evolutionary change doesn't happen.
It's not. What it is arguing is that climate is not the main driving force in evolutionary change which, as the article clearly states, does happen.
I'd call you out on being dishonest, but I really just think the problem here is that you lack the education to grasp what you are talking about.
After all, you are a YEC. You think the Earth is 6,000 years old and that Noah was a real guy with a real boat.
Frankly, the fact that you are able to capitalize the first letter in a sentence is nothing short of a miracle.
It is not I being dishonest at all.

I am not a YEC, so you can't even get that right.

There is weak, if any correlation between environmental change and morphological change.

What evolutionists have found is chaos resulting in TOE having the hit and miss predictability of a crystal ball.

If one compares TOE to other real sciences then Armstrong would have been lost in space.

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THE KITTENS!!!
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He did?
I thought he instructed Noah to preserve all species from extinction.
You can think what you like. Your thoughts are not necessarily reflective of reality.

You will never establish TOEs credibility on the back of ridiculing creationism and demanding a higher lever of substantiation from us than any evolutionists can present themselves.

Over 150 years of instability and change proves it. The various creationist paradigms could not be worse than the instability and change you evos have to present.

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"God wiped out all life in the flood for starters."

I said:
"He did?
I thought he instructed Noah to preserve all species from extinction."

MazHere said:
"You can think what you like. Your thoughts are not necessarily reflective of reality."

Sorry.
I was trying to understand the Bible, and I thought the Bible was reality.
And I thought God told Noah to take a sample of every species--excuse me, "kind"--of animal that there was on the earth.
Did Noah take two tyrannosauruses, two stegosauruses, and two brachiosauruses on the Ark, or did he leave them out in the rain to drown?
If he took them on the Ark, what happened to them afterward?
If he left them out in the rain to drown, how did God feel about that?

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There is weak, if any correlation between environmental change and morphological change.
Categorize morphological change.

There is CLEAR correlation that colder environments result if stockier forms with excess hair.

The animals which lived during the ice age were morphologically different than their nearest ancestors living in the modern warmer times.

If what you are saying is that "Oh, it rained yesterday, why haven't ducks grown gills", then DUH is the only response needed.
What evolutionists have found is chaos resulting in TOE having the hit and miss predictability of a crystal ball.
If one compares TOE to other real sciences then Armstrong would have been lost in space.
In fact, Armstrong never would have made it to space, since he likely would have died from some disease which we were able to prevent thanks to our understanding of biology based on evolution.

Not only does evolution make AMAZING predictions, it can actually predict when, where and what evidence will be found.

Tiktaalik was predicted using ToE, then the researches were able to use ToE to figure out where and how deep to look.

That's like finding a needle in 100 million years of worth of haystacks even if you don't really know what a needle looks like.

If ToE doesn't make predictions, why do we need to keep changing our various antibiotics to prevent MRCA? Why do we have new flu shots every year? Why do farmers rotate their pesticides?

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Over 150 years of instability and change proves it. The various creationist paradigms could not be worse than the instability and change you evos have to present.
Give me a single creationist paradigm that explains antibiotic resistant bacteria.

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Thomas Robertson wrote:
MazHere wrote:
"God wiped out all life in the flood for starters."
I said:
"He did?
I thought he instructed Noah to preserve all species from extinction."
MazHere said:
"You can think what you like. Your thoughts are not necessarily reflective of reality."
Sorry.
I was trying to understand the Bible, and I thought the Bible was reality.
And I thought God told Noah to take a sample of every species--excuse me, "kind"--of animal that there was on the earth.
Did Noah take two tyrannosauruses, two stegosauruses, and two brachiosauruses on the Ark, or did he leave them out in the rain to drown?
If he took them on the Ark, what happened to them afterward?
If he left them out in the rain to drown, how did God feel about that?
No my dear, the dinosaurs were wiped out before Noah.

I ridicule TOE from a point of understanding. You are obviously ridiculing creationism from a point of having no idea about me or creationism, it appears.

The ignorance of evolutionists is further demonstrated in their inability to distinguish mankind from other apes. They will struggle and struggle, although a child can do it easily.

If ever TOE presents some empirical evidence that is credible and substantive I will become a theist evolutionist. I have no problem with that.

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Nuggin wrote:
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Give me a single creationist paradigm that explains antibiotic resistant bacteria.
God created bacteria. Bacteria has survived virtually unchanged for 3,500 million years. Bacteria is a complex factory of reproduction.

Antibiotic resistance supports TOE around about as much as mankinds ability to gain immunity in ones lifetime, gain epigenetic changes, gain germ point mutations over out lifetime, in fact we evolve and adapt during our lifetime. Evolutionists do not call this 'evolution' because they would look silly. What do you think?

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Nuggin wrote:
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Categorize morphological change.
There is CLEAR correlation that colder environments result if stockier forms with excess hair.
The animals which lived during the ice age were morphologically different than their nearest ancestors living in the modern warmer times.
If what you are saying is that "Oh, it rained yesterday, why haven't ducks grown gills", then DUH is the only response needed.
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In fact, Armstrong never would have made it to space, since he likely would have died from some disease which we were able to prevent thanks to our understanding of biology based on evolution.
Not only does evolution make AMAZING predictions, it can actually predict when, where and what evidence will be found.
Tiktaalik was predicted using ToE, then the researches were able to use ToE to figure out where and how deep to look.
That's like finding a needle in 100 million years of worth of haystacks even if you don't really know what a needle looks like.
If ToE doesn't make predictions, why do we need to keep changing our various antibiotics to prevent MRCA? Why do we have new flu shots every year? Why do farmers rotate their pesticides?
Don't Duh me lovey. You have a long way to go before you can make any sense of what TOE has to guess at with the latest flavour of the month. You are only confusing yourself.

Tiktaalik has been knocked off its pedastal with a variety of tetrapod footprints being found dated to 400mya, on the heels of the Devonian.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n72...

I did not say TOE makes no predictions. I said a crystal ball also gets it right sometimes.eg the huge difference in the human/chimp Y chromosome was not predicted, punctuated equilibrium was not predicted,Human knuckle walking was predicted based on out wrist bones now that has ben falsified. Single celled LUCA was predicted that now that has been falsified on the back of HGT.

You say Tiktaalick was predicted and now it is a dud and you have to invent another prediction to shove down creationists throats, ad nauseum. Off the evo researchers scarper and start waving their hands coming up with the latest stories and flavours of the month to explain it.

If you disagree with this well credentialled evolutionary scientist that has better credentials than you, then you should go tell him you know better.

"In other words, trees show no predictable response to climate change, and respond individually rather than as communities of species.

Research on animals has come to similarly unexpected conclusions, albeit based on sparser fossil records. For example, palaeontologist Russell Graham at Illinois State Museum has looked at North American mammals and palaeontologist Russell Coope at the University of Birmingham in the UK has examined insects (Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics, vol 10, p 247). Both studies show that most species remain unchanged for hundreds of thousands of years, perhaps longer, and across several ice ages. Species undergo major changes in distribution and abundance, but show no evolution of morphological characteristics despite major environmental changes."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2082782...

The one thing an evolutionist and I may be able to agree on is that any researcher can be said to have no idea what they are talking about.

TOE has nothing of substance to offer. That is why I prefer to remain a creationist.
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MazHere wrote:
Don't Duh me lovey. You have a long way to go before you can make any sense of what TOE has to guess at with the latest flavour of the month. You are only confusing yourself.
Tiktaalik has been knocked off its pedastal with a variety of tetrapod footprints being found dated to 400mya, on the heels of the Devonian.
Uh, yeah, the fish-phibian fossil was falsified because we found foot-prints that shifted the period of transition by a mere 17m years - which were uh, made by another fish-phibian.
MazHere wrote:
Both studies show that most species remain unchanged for hundreds of thousands of years, perhaps longer, and across several ice ages. Species undergo major changes in distribution and abundance, but show no evolution of morphological characteristics despite major environmental changes."
Uhuh, and tell us again how all the coelecanths are the same, and all the trilobites are the same. Except they ain't. Tell us again that evolution claims all mutation rates are constant for all species. Except they ain't. Tell us again how PE falsifies evolution. Except it doesn't. Tell us again that all the biologists who you cite in SUPPORT of your position DO actually support your position. Except they don't.
MazHere wrote:
The one thing an evolutionist and I may be able to agree on is that any researcher can be said to have no idea what they are talking about.
And quite obviously you do because you're an educated scientist who has falsified evolution. It's just that the rest of the world doesn't know it yet. It's just a coincidence that the dumb-as-a-post creationists were right all along even though they don't have a clue what they're talking about.
MazHere wrote:
TOE has nothing of substance to offer. That is why I prefer to remain a creationist.
You are claiming science you disagree with on theological grounds along with research done by people who don't know what they're doing falsifies evolution therefore Goddidit with magic. Words cannot express the absolute dumbosity of your claims and hypocritical stance here, hence you have just caused a kitten sacrifice.
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Oct 5, 2012
 
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Muahahahahahaaaa
Evil meanie!!!

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