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Dave M

Louth, UK

#63 Nov 11, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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Wrong! Not one time has a "NEW" species been observed evolving from a "existing" species. Variation has been observed, but not speciation.
Ah, so you are one of the creatards who use their own definition of species that is so far from the scientific one that it a "New" species can never evolve because such an event would actually falsify ToE.

For everyone else who pays attention to reality the evolution of new species (i.e. a reproducing population that can no longer reproduce with the original population) is a fact.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#64 Nov 11, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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What have you or any evolutionists seen bacteria evolve into?
Run along now Dudley Do-Right. When we need something stupid to be said we will be sure and call you.
Are you kidding? Your question itself was dumb. Remind us again how evidence is relevant to your position. Or are you happy to run around talking bollox and showing everyone that creationists are dishonest?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#65 Nov 11, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
Well the library is about to close up. That means my time is over for today. Sure was funny watching you evolutionists dance and stutter. Your evolution of species to species is a joke. You always play the "time" card. Well more time will only prove you wrong. So bask in your fake glory now for the truth is forth coming.
Ah, you're an end-timer nut.

(snicker)

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#66 Nov 11, 2013
Gillette wrote:
http://www.talkorigins.org/ind excc/CB/CB910.html
[Ignorant Jesus Freak] Claim CB910:
No new species have been observed.
Response:
1. New species have arisen in historical times. For example:
• A new species of mosquito, isolated in London's Underground, has speciated from Culex pipiens (Byrne and Nichols 1999; Nuttall 1998).
• Helacyton gartleri is the HeLa cell culture, which evolved from a human cervical carcinoma in 1951. The culture grows indefinitely and has become widespread (Van Valen and Maiorana 1991).
• A similar event appears to have happened with dogs relatively recently. Sticker's sarcoma, or canine transmissible venereal tumor, is caused by an organism genetically independent from its hosts but derived from a wolf or dog tumor (Zimmer 2006; Murgia et al. 2006).
• Several new species of plants have arisen via polyploidy (when the chromosome count multiplies by two or more)(de Wet 1971). One example is Primula kewensis (Newton and Pellew 1929).
2. Incipient speciation, where two subspecies interbreed rarely or with only little success, is common. Here are just a few examples:
• Rhagoletis pomonella, the apple maggot fly, is undergoing sympatric speciation. Its native host in North America is Hawthorn (Crataegus spp.), but in the mid-1800s, a new population formed on introduced domestic apples (Malus pumila). The two races are kept partially isolated by natural selection (Filchak et al. 2000).
• The mosquito Anopheles gambiae shows incipient speciation between its populations in northwestern and southeastern Africa (Fanello et al. 2003; Lehmann et al. 2003).
• Silverside fish show incipient speciation between marine and estuarine populations (Beheregaray and Sunnucks 2001).
• the salamander Ensatina, with seven different subspecies on the west coast of the United States. They form a ring around California's central valley. At the south end, adjacent subspecies klauberi and eschscholtzi do not interbreed (Brown n.d.; Wake 1997).
• greenish warblers (Phylloscopus trochiloides), around the Himalayas. Their behavioral and genetic characteristics change gradually, starting from central Siberia, extending around the Himalayas, and back again, so two forms of the songbird coexist but do not interbreed in that part of their range (Irwin et al. 2001; Whitehouse 2001; Irwin et al. 2005).
• the deer mouse (Peromyces maniculatus), with over fifty subspecies in North America.
• many species of birds, including Parus major and P. minor, Halcyon chloris, Zosterops, Lalage, Pernis, the Larus argentatus group, and Phylloscopus trochiloides (Mayr 1942, 182-183).
• the American bee Hoplitis (Alcidamea) producta (Mayr 1963, 510).
• the subterranean mole rat, Spalax ehrenbergi (Nevo 1999).
That mosquito is still a mosquito. That apple maggot fly is still apple maggot fly. Those salamanders are still salamanders. Those warblers are still warblers. Those deer mice are still deer mice. Those stickleback fish are still stickleback fish. Those Cichlids are still Cichlids.

Not one example of a mouse evolving into something other than a mouse, or a bird evolving into something other than a bird, or a fish evolving into something other than a fish, or a mosquito evolving into something other than a mosquito.

You see the problem yet?

Now you show me a warbler evolving into a mouse, or a mosquito evolving into a stickleback fish, or a salamander evolving into a fly, or a monkey evolving into a man, or a dinosaur evolving into a bird or, a water species evolving into a land species, or a land species evolving into a water species. Then we will have something to talk about.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#67 Nov 11, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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That mosquito is still a mosquito. That apple maggot fly is still apple maggot fly. Those salamanders are still salamanders. Those warblers are still warblers. Those deer mice are still deer mice. Those stickleback fish are still stickleback fish. Those Cichlids are still Cichlids.
Not one example of a mouse evolving into something other than a mouse, or a bird evolving into something other than a bird, or a fish evolving into something other than a fish, or a mosquito evolving into something other than a mosquito.
You see the problem yet?
Now you show me a warbler evolving into a mouse, or a mosquito evolving into a stickleback fish, or a salamander evolving into a fly, or a monkey evolving into a man, or a dinosaur evolving into a bird or, a water species evolving into a land species, or a land species evolving into a water species. Then we will have something to talk about.
And now that you have been shown to be wrong several times over you are moving the goal posts.

For more evolution than mere change on the species level we do need more time. And we can observe evolution in the fossil record. The fossil record supports only evolution. But to understand that first you would need to understand the concept of scientific evidence.

The fact that there are denying idiots like is the reason that scientific evidence is defined the way that it is. So that you cannot deny there is mountains of evidence that support only evolution.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#68 Nov 11, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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That mosquito is still a mosquito. That apple maggot fly is still apple maggot fly. Those salamanders are still salamanders. Those warblers are still warblers. Those deer mice are still deer mice. Those stickleback fish are still stickleback fish. Those Cichlids are still Cichlids.
There are countless different species of mosquitoes, mice, etc., all of which are distinct, separate and do not interbreed with each other of their close relatives.

A new species is speciation, which is "macroevolution," something you dumb Jesus Freaks claim is "impossible."

Beginning to see the problem for you yet? LOL
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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Not one example of a mouse evolving into something other than a mouse, or a bird evolving into something other than a bird, or a fish evolving into something other than a fish, or a mosquito evolving into something other than a mosquito.
Check out RIng Species.
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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You see the problem yet?
We saw the problem the minute you first posted. You're an under-educated, snide Christian moron who thinks he understands something he clearly does NOT.
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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Now you show me a warbler evolving into a mouse, or a mosquito evolving into a stickleback fish, or a salamander evolving into a fly, or a monkey evolving into a man, or a dinosaur evolving into a bird or, a water species evolving into a land species, or a land species evolving into a water species. Then we will have something to talk about.
That kind of fantastical made up crap is what you would find in your holy BuyBull. It's definitely NOT the kind of thing predicted by (and observed by) the Theory of Evolution.

Again idiot, GET AN EDUCATION.

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#69 Nov 11, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>That kind of fantastical made up crap is what you would find in your holy BuyBull. It's definitely NOT the kind of thing predicted by (and observed by) the Theory of Evolution.
Again idiot, GET AN EDUCATION.
Really? The bible says a dinosaur turned into a bird? I would not know I don't read the bible but I do believe that evolution says the birds (example-chickens) evolved from the dinosaurs.

Monkeys live in hot climates and retained all their hair. Man lives in cold environments and lost most all his body hair. That's a backwards adaption. Less hair for where it is colder more hair for where it is hotter.

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#70 Nov 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No, I don't think the size of the skull and body parts have anything to do with speciation. That's why we DON'T call kids (who not only have smaller skeletons, body parts, AND in different proportions) different species.
What do you think they go by, on Lucy for example, DNA?

They go by size and shape of the pieces of bone they have.

Size and shape of the cranium, size and shape of the femur, size and shape of the pelvic area, size, shape and structure of the knee.

Please educate yourself.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#71 Nov 11, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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Really? The bible says a dinosaur turned into a bird?
Talking about the details of the creation myth, about snakes and donkeys that talk, etc.

Only you lying Jesus Freaks claim that evolution means that a mosquito should give birth to a cat, or something like that. SCIENCE never says that.
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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I would not know I don't read the bible
Liar.
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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I do believe that evolution says the birds (example-chickens) evolved from the dinosaurs.
That's what the fossil record shows. There were flying dinosaurs, then there were birds. Archaeopteryx is "an early bird that is transitional between feathered dinosaurs and modern birds."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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Monkeys live in hot climates and retained all their hair. Man lives in cold environments and lost most all his body hair. That's a backwards adaption. Less hair for where it is colder more hair for where it is hotter.
You don't need hair if the species has learned to make clothing, etc. Evolution is about what works. Nothing more, nothing less.

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#72 Nov 11, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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You don't need hair if the species has learned to make clothing, etc. Evolution is about what works. Nothing more, nothing less.
So the loss of hair is because of clothing and not a mutation?

You are way way out there. And you talk bad about Jesus believers.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#73 Nov 11, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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So the loss of hair is because of clothing and not a mutation?
Didn't say that. I said you don't need hair in a cold climate if you have clothes.

Homo sapiens probably dropped the body hair on the African savannah, long before they spread north.
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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And you talk bad about Jesus believers.
With plenty of reason.

Is that the cock crowing for the third time? LOL

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#74 Nov 12, 2013
100 metres sprint - true!

Marathon - a lie!

Anybody knows that its perfectly possible to walk 100 metres but that hiking much more than this is impossible and defies the laws of nature. That is why it took the Israelites 40 years to walk from Egypt to Palestine.

Development of accents - True!

Development of whole new languages - a lie!

Anybody knows that new languages only occurred thanks to the Tower of Babel. All we have now are dialects of the languages created on that day by God.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#75 Nov 12, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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That mosquito is still a mosquito. That apple maggot fly is still apple maggot fly. Those salamanders are still salamanders. Those warblers are still warblers. Those deer mice are still deer mice. Those stickleback fish are still stickleback fish. Those Cichlids are still Cichlids.
Not one example of a mouse evolving into something other than a mouse, or a bird evolving into something other than a bird, or a fish evolving into something other than a fish, or a mosquito evolving into something other than a mosquito.
You see the problem yet?
Now you show me a warbler evolving into a mouse, or a mosquito evolving into a stickleback fish, or a salamander evolving into a fly, or a monkey evolving into a man, or a dinosaur evolving into a bird or, a water species evolving into a land species, or a land species evolving into a water species. Then we will have something to talk about.
Yes, we see the problem - what you want as evidence of evolution is a total violation of nested hierarchies, something which in actuality, would actually FALSIFY evolution if an example was ever found. However the reason we cannot find this violation of nested hierarchies yet is BECAUSE evolution appears to be correct.

You uh, DO know something about evolution, right? Right?

Uh, right?

No.

Oh, well in that case you know why nobody takes you seriously then.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76 Nov 12, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
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What do you think they go by, on Lucy for example, DNA?
They go by size and shape of the pieces of bone they have.
Size and shape of the cranium, size and shape of the femur, size and shape of the pelvic area, size, shape and structure of the knee.
Please educate yourself.
Bub, you're asking for a violation of nested hierarchies AS evidence for evolution and claiming that all science is wrong because Jews are magic. Physician heal thyself.

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#77 Nov 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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And now that you have been shown to be wrong several times over you are moving the goal posts.
For more evolution than mere change on the species level we do need more time. And we can observe evolution in the fossil record. The fossil record supports only evolution. But to understand that first you would need to understand the concept of scientific evidence.
The fact that there are denying idiots like is the reason that scientific evidence is defined the way that it is. So that you cannot deny there is mountains of evidence that support only evolution.
Moving the goal post? It is not my fault if all you do is fumble the ball. All you see in the fossil record are different species, not species changing from one to another. Look all around you and you can see different species but not one species changing to another species.

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#78 Nov 12, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Bub, you're asking for a violation of nested hierarchies AS evidence for evolution and claiming that all science is wrong because Jews are magic. Physician heal thyself.
What no answer but blah blah blah.? That is because you know size and shape is what they go by. Drop the god bomb all you like. It can't save you. I don't read the jew book. Please educate yourself Dudley.

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#79 Nov 12, 2013
One thing you all have in common is that when your fairytale gets compromised you all throw out the jew book and the jew god as if that fairytale acts as some kind of evidence of evolution.

If you have so much evidence for your fairytale why bring up another fairytale and try to use it as a defense? It just show your weakness and lack of evidence.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#80 Nov 12, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
One thing you all have in common is that when your fairytale gets compromised you all throw out the jew book and the jew god as if that fairytale acts as some kind of evidence of evolution.
If you have so much evidence for your fairytale why bring up another fairytale and try to use it as a defense? It just show your weakness and lack of evidence.
"Compromised"?!?! By YOU?!?!!?

Not a chance, Skippy.
MUCH brighter people than yourself have dedicated DECADES to overthrowing the Theory of Evolution, and have been handed their asses in their failure to do so.

REAL science, including the Theory of Evolution, wins out every time.

The Discovery Institute being a GROUP of said individuals that continue to get beat down in defeat.
The only reason THEY still exist is that they have naïve, ignorant fundies such as yourself that keep sending them money.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#81 Nov 12, 2013
Thats a knee slapper wrote:
If you have so much evidence for your fairytale why bring up another fairytale and try to use it as a defense? It just show your weakness and lack of evidence.
"Lack of evidence"? We have already given you many links and tons of detailed info on this thread so far. We can go on posting for YEARS with more and more evidence for evolution.

You? You got bupkiss. "Err, I just don't believe it, so it can't be true...." LOL

“Evolution is Variation”

Since: Nov 13

Dublin, Ireland

#82 Nov 12, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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"Lack of evidence"? We have already given you many links and tons of detailed info on this thread so far. We can go on posting for YEARS with more and more evidence for evolution.
You? You got bupkiss. "Err, I just don't believe it, so it can't be true...." LOL
Evidence of a mosquito that is still mosquito, a bird that is still bird, a fish that is still fish, a salamander that is still salamander, a mouse that is still mouse, bacterium that is still bacterium. All simple variation.

But look we have a 65myo fossil of a dinosaur that looks like it might have flown. They disappeared and now we have birds. That is speciation evidence. What a joke!!!!!

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