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#21 Feb 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
This senseless question debunks itself. As an expert in biology you already know this.
In other words, you're just a parrot that knows how to mimic what he hears but that's about it.

Why are you always lying? I have never claimed to be an expert in biology. Frankly, I can barely remember anything about the one course I took in biology.
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#22 Feb 11, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, you're just a parrot that knows how to mimic what he hears but that's about it.
On the contrary, how can one demonstrate a nested hierarchy with only two organisms?
Shubee wrote:
Why are you always lying?
Fundie, heal thyself.
Shubee wrote:
I have never claimed to be an expert in biology. Frankly, I can barely remember anything about the one course I took in biology.
Ah, good. That explains the stupidity of your question. That means we can dismiss your ridiculous parrotted creationist arguments against evolution as the BS it is then.(shrug)
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#23 Feb 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
On the contrary, how can one demonstrate a nested hierarchy with only two organisms?
So what's the minimum number of DNA chains required for the demonstration?
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#24 Feb 11, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>So what's the minimum number of DNA chains required for the demonstration?
What is this, the Shoob olympics? Since when do you get to be all evasive and provide nothing but shite while I gotta go through 20 hoops?

Or right. You're a fundie. Typical modus operandi. Very little to distinguish you from many other fundies really.(shrug)
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#25 Feb 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>So what's the minimum number of DNA chains required for the demonstration?
Still no answer. I'm not surprised. When the religious dogma of common descent is investigated, it's quickly discovered that the biggest mouth is actually speechless.

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#26 Feb 21, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
What is this, the Shoob olympics? Since when do you get to be all evasive and provide nothing but shite while I gotta go through 20 hoops?
Or right. You're a fundie. Typical modus operandi. Very little to distinguish you from many other fundies really.(shrug)
Shubee i agree with Dude.

Why don't you make an effort first.
That's the only thing that used to distinguish you from the other fundies.
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#27 Feb 21, 2013
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<quoted text> Still no answer. I'm not surprised. When the religious dogma of common descent is investigated, it's quickly discovered that the biggest mouth is actually speechless.
My apologies, I was unaware that questions made in ignorance were in any way a problem for long established scientific theories.
Shubee wrote:
I have never claimed to be an expert in biology. Frankly, I can barely remember anything about the one course I took in biology.
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#28 Feb 21, 2013
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I was unaware that questions made in ignorance were in any way a problem for long established scientific theories.
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Long established religious dogma doesn't have any problems either. Joseph Ratzinger can avoid arrest just by hiding out at the Vatican.
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#29 Feb 21, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Long established religious dogma doesn't have any problems either. Joseph Ratzinger can avoid arrest just by hiding out at the Vatican.
Yup.
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#30 Feb 21, 2013
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Shubee i agree with Dude.
Why don't you make an effort first.
Those who frequently sing the praises of nested hierarchies shouldn't be insulted when questioned about their religious devotion.
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#31 Feb 21, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Those who frequently sing the praises of nested hierarchies shouldn't be insulted when questioned about their religious devotion.
Those who frequently sing the praises of ignorance shouldn't be insulted when questioned about their intellectual honesty/capacity.
Shubee wrote:
I have never claimed to be an expert in biology. Frankly, I can barely remember anything about the one course I took in biology.

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#32 Feb 21, 2013
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<quoted text>Those who frequently sing the praises of nested hierarchies shouldn't be insulted when questioned about their religious devotion.
Well by now you should understand enough about the concept to not ask silly questions. And know how to use andy search engine for a proper definition (that can have many levels of compexity)
Your concern would be your blog and the issue if it would ever be possible to formulate a consistent and verifiable theory for creation.

One problem i see is that you never adjust your blog to show what you learned, so you are bound to keep repeating the same mistakes.

Or taken as someone that can not adapt.
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#33 Feb 21, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Your concern would be your blog and the issue if it would ever be possible to formulate a consistent and verifiable theory for creation.
As a math professor that has taught physics in the style of David Hilbert, I know it's silly to try to formulate a verifiable theory about origins.
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#34 Feb 22, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>As a math professor that has taught physics in the style of David Hilbert, I know it's silly to try to formulate a verifiable theory about origins
... using the fundie approach.

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#35 Feb 22, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Those who frequently sing the praises of nested hierarchies shouldn't be insulted when questioned about their religious devotion.
Well the same goes for people that presume the lenght of teleomeres to be in anyway relevant for devolution and eventual demise of the human species bar culling, as you suggested.
Ever read this one:
Job 14:10. God causes men to die without letting them die out;
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#36 Feb 22, 2013
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Ever read this one:
Job 14:10. God causes men to die without letting them die out;
Job 14:10

New King James Version (NKJV)

"But man dies and is laid away;
Indeed he breathes his last
And where is he?"
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#37 Feb 22, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Job 14:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
"But man dies and is laid away;
Indeed he breathes his last
And where is he?"
Numbers 22:28

"Yahweh then gave the donkey the power to talk, and she said to Balaam,'What harm have I done to you, for you to strike me three times like this?' "

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_wilderne...

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#38 Feb 22, 2013
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<quoted text>Job 14:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
"But man dies and is laid away;
Indeed he breathes his last
And where is he?"
NKV is a bit better than the old.
Echo is akin to the soft calling of the concept of nephesh/ruach.
The christian bible is all about shouting.
But to be honest this part of job comes from later insertions, so the Khosroo version might be the origin. The original short version of Iob was just two chapters.

Man giveth up the ghost - Expires, or dies. This is all that the word (&#1490;&#1493;&#1 506; ga&#770;va&#8219;) means. The notion of giving up the spirit or the ghost - an idea not improper in itself - is not found in the Hebrew word, nor is it in the corresponding Greek word in the New Testament; compare Acts 5:10.

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Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
But man dieth - No human being ever can spring from the dead body of man; that wasteth away, corrupts, and is dissolved; for the man dies; and when he breathes out his last breath, and his body is reduced to dust, then, where is he? There is a beautiful verse in the Persian poet Khosroo, that is not unlike this saying of Job:-

"I went towards the burying ground, and wept

To think of the departure of friends which were captives to death;

I said, Where are they! and Fate

Gave back this answer by Echo, Where are they?

Thus paraphrased by a learned friend:-

Beneath the cypress' solemn shade,

As on surrounding tombs I gazed,

I wept, and thought of friends there laid,

Whose hearts with warmest love had blazed.

Where are those friends my heart doth lack,

Whose words, in grief, gave peace? Ah, where?

And Fate, by Echo, gave me back
--
So it is inferred that g-d did not mean people to perish.
Otherwise you would twice repeat the same concept.
And loose sight of the context which is thanking g-d (though that might seem weird)

Also given it's linked meaning to ps. 90:2

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#39 Feb 23, 2013
And look at 14:13.
While at it also 14:9 and take note in the parallel hebrew (BDB if at al possible)14:10 starts with a revolving vav denoting and'.
It continues and makes the distinction between man and later but an echo /expiration of mankind. Notice?

Therefore my version makes more sense then yours.

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#40 Feb 23, 2013
Dude just avert your eyes, more cussing to come.;)

http://www.qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/jo...
It is the KJV and equally abhorred Strongs (used arab to understand hebrew) but this site at least gives you the opportunity to click on the hebrew, and note the difference in interpretation.
Or simply skipping ADAM-mankind altogether and just putting [is] he!

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