Creation vs. Evolution!!

“I am Sisyphus”

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#23 Jul 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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What I don't accept is birds changing into non-birds or bacteria changing into non-bacteria. That's never been observed in the lab or in the wild.

There is nothing to prevent it. "bird" is just an artificial category made by humans. Are dinosaurs birds? Depend on how broad you make the category.
Vicky

Hamilton, OH

#24 Jul 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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He's a fundie. He doesn't comprehend reality.

Understood. I know he's just playing word games, typical creationist BS.

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This forum is utterly redundant. Evolution is not controversial. Certainly not in any scientific sense. The only "controversy" is that manufactured at a cultural level, because even today in the 21st century there are many people who reject reality because they think that the Flinstones is a science documentary.
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Of course I know that scientifically there is no controversy. Ultimately, though all controversy is rooted in human culture. After all, if we all agreed with each other the world would be a very boring place.

Get your gas mask ready, it's only gonna get worse next time round.
Got it right beside me as I prepare to answer his latest post.

Thanks for the support.
LGK

Llanfechain, UK

#25 Jul 5, 2013
Vicky wrote:
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Got it right beside me as I prepare to answer his latest post.
Thanks for the support.
If being a fundamentalist means taking the Bible literally where the genre is literal (ie history but not poetry or songs) I am a fundamentalist so we can get that out of the way.

My arguments against evolution stand (or fall) on their scientific or logical merits. Theism, atheism or other isms are just distractions. Like I said, if you can produce empirical evidence, other than fossils, of macro-evolution I'll put up my hand & say you are right. So far, on these threads or elsewhere, no-one has ever produced that evidence. Be my guest if you know of such evidence.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#26 Jul 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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If being a fundamentalist means taking the Bible literally where the genre is literal (ie history but not poetry or songs) I am a fundamentalist so we can get that out of the way.
My arguments against evolution stand (or fall) on their scientific or logical merits. Theism, atheism or other isms are just distractions. Like I said, if you can produce empirical evidence, other than fossils, of macro-evolution I'll put up my hand & say you are right. So far, on these threads or elsewhere, no-one has ever produced that evidence. Be my guest if you know of such evidence.
It appears that you do not know what either empirical or scientific evidence is.

Of course there is all sorts of evidence for the theory of evolution. There is no scientific evidence for creation.

When you ask to see certain things, such as a fish giving birth to a land dwelling animal it is clear that you have no understanding of the theory of evolution.

And there is no difference between micro evolution and evolution. If you want to make the claim that there is a limit to evolution it is up to you to provide evidence for this limitation.

It is easy to hide behind ignorance, that is not proof of your claims.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#27 Jul 5, 2013
MichaelCadry wrote:
Dear ALL,
I'm going to tell you what I can and I am not going to reveal my source, but my facts. This earth has been here for over a million years old. Some of you seem to think that just by gradual changing, different species 'evolved'. Give God more credit than that. God created every creature on the earth, in each day/generation that is written in the Bible. But, God wiped the screen blank a number of times indeed, like tons of times. In other words, He created and then obliterated, and formed each animal and bird, and critter and man/woman differently, each time changed in ways He saw fit that were better. There is NO EVOLUTION. Tell that to God when you see HIM. He has EVERY PART on how each animal/human was formed because He kept re-forming them and making them better each time. It's God's HANDIWORK here at stake, not "evolution's."
You'll notice in the first chapter of Genesis, it says God "Created" each in their 'day' or 'generation'. We also cannot ascertain that 24 hours was the 'day's' length then either. All that I do know is that He has revealed something to me to share with others, for their sakes. Believe me or not. It really doesn't matter. In the first chapter of Genesis, it says God created the beasts and birds, and all of that, before He created man on the sixth 'day' or 'generation'. Now follow all this closely and re-read it as much as necessary for you. In the SECOND chapter of Genesis, does it not say that the Lord God "Formed" man from the dust of the ground. And the Lord God saw that the man was lonely, and so He formed the birds, and animals from the dust of the ground and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. So first, we have Adam being CREATED after the birds and beasts were CREATED, and yet in Genesis chapter two, it says the Lord God FORMED man BEFORE the beasts and birds.
You will also notice that in the first chapter, God said the fowl/birds were created from the waters, but in the second chapter, it says the Lord God FORMED the birds/fowl from the dust of the ground. Now it is time for people to know the truth because they are questioning the true existence of God. I happen to know that God CREATED man and woman once, and the Lord God wiped them from the face of the earth many times and improved man and animals and plants, etc. as He saw fit. That is why we find man's bones that are older than 5,000 years, or "OUR" ADAM. There were Adams and Eves formed many times over the thousands of years and they were perfected and changed as the Lord God saw fit. That is why it is written, "and He called THEIR name Adam in the day they were created. That is why it is written,'This is the book of the generations of Adam, in the image of God made he him/man.' I'm not sure that is the exact quote without looking it up right now. It is not a big matter. The Lord God has wiped the earth clean before and He will again. Remember Noah and his wife, of whom we are all descended from, therefore we are ALL Brothers and Sisters who don't get along well. Ishmael is the descendant of all of the Arab people. The next time the Lord God wipes this earth clean, He will again FORM a man from the dust of the ground, whether He forms the beasts beforehand or afterwards, and He will FORM another woman. And another book will be written for that Generation of Adam (and Eve). I hope I've explained this well enough for now. This is the Lord God's playpen down here (His VERY BELOVED CREATION) and He will change things as He will a dollhouse. It's His option. What are you going to do about it?? Forget your Evolution idea!! There is a Higher Power that oversees every little change in every creature He forms. That's all, just for now. Re-read and study, and look in your Bibles.
May the Lord God Continue to Bless the Lord Jesus,
Michael W. Cadry
Coo coo!

“I am Sisyphus”

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#28 Jul 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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If being a fundamentalist means taking the Bible literally where the genre is literal (ie history but not poetry or songs) I am a fundamentalist so we can get that out of the way.
My arguments against evolution stand (or fall) on their scientific or logical merits. Theism, atheism or other isms are just distractions. Like I said, if you can produce empirical evidence, other than fossils, of macro-evolution I'll put up my hand & say you are right. So far, on these threads or elsewhere, no-one has ever produced that evidence. Be my guest if you know of such evidence.

Do you know that fundamentalism is a modern cultist idea that only appeared about 150 years ago? Do you know the the literalism that fundamentalism is based on is an outgrowth of modern philosophical notions and the protestant reformation. Even at the time of the Reformation no one had the notion that the Bible was literal and absolute in any way. Those were notions that were needed to support the rejection of the Catholic Church. This also led to several books of the Bible being REMOVED from the cannon.

Your ideas are born of modernity and have nothing to do with historical Christianity. It abuses the Bible and distorts and limits its meaning.
Cujo

Leask, Canada

#29 Jul 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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If being a fundamentalist means taking the Bible literally where the genre is literal (ie history but not poetry or songs) I am a fundamentalist so we can get that out of the way.
My arguments against evolution stand (or fall) on their scientific or logical merits. Theism, atheism or other isms are just distractions. Like I said, if you can produce empirical evidence, other than fossils, of macro-evolution I'll put up my hand & say you are right. So far, on these threads or elsewhere, no-one has ever produced that evidence. Be my guest if you know of such evidence.
Here ya go dumb dumb. No do some research.

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/outline.ht...
Primeval

Brisbane, Australia

#30 Jul 7, 2013
creation wins

“Sombrero Galaxy”

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I'm An Illegal Alien

#31 Jul 8, 2013
Primeval wrote:
creation wins
No it does not.
Cujo

Leask, Canada

#32 Jul 8, 2013
Primeval wrote:
creation wins
Provide scientific evidence. Peer reviewed, not monkey science like Hovind or Behe does.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#33 Jul 8, 2013
Cujo wrote:
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Provide scientific evidence. Peer reviewed, not monkey science like Hovind or Behe does.
Which reminds me, Eric Hovind was in the news here lately:

http://journalstar.com/news/national/atheists...

Hovind said. "We definitely have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion."

Uh, yeah, Eric. That is exactly what we have. Dummy.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#34 Jul 8, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Which reminds me, Eric Hovind was in the news here lately:
http://journalstar.com/news/national/atheists...
Hovind said. "We definitely have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion."
Uh, yeah, Eric. That is exactly what we have. Dummy.
My state has the Discovery Institute. Yours has Eric Hovind.

Which state suffers more?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#35 Jul 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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My state has the Discovery Institute. Yours has Eric Hovind.
Which state suffers more?
Too close to call. WAY to close.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#36 Jul 8, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Which reminds me, Eric Hovind was in the news here lately:
Eric? Son of Kent?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37 Jul 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Eric? Son of Kent?
Yep.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#38 Jul 9, 2013
LGK wrote:
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I have no problem with assertions that fish preceded mammals in life's history but that doesn't mean fish changed into non-fish or mammals, let alone how. No-one has ever seen a fish producing anything other than a fish.
And no-one's ever seen a cat giving birth to a dog...
LGK wrote:
We may well expect to find fish preceding amphibians etc in the fossil record IF fish could evolve into amphibians but how do we know, in the 1st place that fish CAN change into non-fish?
Cuz how do WE know? Where we THERE?!?
LGK wrote:
That's the evidence I'm saying does not exist, it's just been assumed. The burden of proof lies with people claiming that this can / has happened& up to press, no-one has ever produced such proof.
Not assumed when evolution predicts that very order, an order consistent with nested hierarchies in both the fossil record and genetics.
LGK wrote:
If I see it, I will accept it.
Lie. Since your position is invisible Jewmagic evidence is entirely irrelevant to your position.
LGK wrote:
Just one word on fossils. They cannot in principle be evidence of a mechanism however many similarities they may or may not have.
Didn't we already explain this? Why yes we did. And you've never been able to address it.

Not once.

In all the years you've been here.
LGK wrote:
I accept micro-evolution 100% ie small-beaked finches producing big-flinched ones etc but finches all the way. What I don't accept is birds changing into non-birds or bacteria changing into non-bacteria. That's never been observed in the lab or in the wild.
Nor would evolution expect such radical violations of nested hierarchy. Man, you sound like a six year old dyed in the wool fundie. Could you be regressing?

What's the "code", El?

Thought so.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#40 Jul 9, 2013
Primeval wrote:
creation wins
And it used evolution.

Unless you were talking about creationISM, in which case it's been a failure for over 3,000 years.(shrug)
Primeval Predator

Brisbane, Australia

#41 Jul 9, 2013
evoulotion sucks

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#42 Jul 10, 2013
Primeval Predator wrote:
evoulotion sucks
Very clever and well thought out argument.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#43 Jul 10, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Very clever and well thought out argument.
Indeed. The last out out please turn off the lights.

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