ID, evolution, and critical thinking

ID, evolution, and critical thinking

There are 88 comments on the World Magazine story from May 7, 2014, titled ID, evolution, and critical thinking. In it, World Magazine reports that:

Intelligent design is an evidence-based theory of the origin of life. ID is a positive argument for an intelligent designer, not a negative one against naturalistic evolution.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at World Magazine.

In Six Days

UK

#21 Jun 15, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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Why couldn't it be fine-tuned to NOT have life? What mechanisms are responsible for this tuning? What evidence do you have?
The existence of life in the universe is NOT evidence of the existence of life in the universe AND that it was poofed into existence by an invisible magic Jew.
What's the "scientific theory" of creationism?
You are having a laugh here, Troll. The existence of life in the universe is not evidence of the existence of life in the universe??? Keep smoking the pipe.
In Six Days

UK

#22 Jun 15, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Could you please write comprehensible posts please, i cannot make any sense out of it.
As for the things I was able to make sense of: Intelligent Design has NEVER provided ONE testable hypothesis. End of story.
Evolution is established science and no religion.
Up to the next tattle.
The TV says "intelligent designed has never provided one testable hypothesis." Keep watching it & drinking the poison. I can see exactly why you cannot understand that SETI is a test of an intelligent design hypothesis.

Let me explain in simple language: "S" for search means test & "I" stands for intelligence. Duh.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#23 Jun 15, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You are having a laugh here, Troll. The existence of life in the universe is not evidence of the existence of life in the universe??? Keep smoking the pipe.
Now look who is trolling. The existence of life is not evidence for "fine tuning". In fact most of the universe is "fine tuned" against the existence of life. The "fine tuning" argument is not an argument against evolution at all and is an extremely weak argument for the existence of a god. And what is funnier still is that Christians make the almost infinitely large leap in believing that if the existence of a god is proven, which of course they haven't, that this god has to be their God. They do not realize that all gods are equally as likely until evidence shows that not to be the case. This is true regardless of who or what you worship, whether it is the Christian God, the Muslim Allah, or even the Pastafarian Flying Spaghetti Monster.
In Six Days

Chester, UK

#24 Jun 15, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now look who is trolling. The existence of life is not evidence for "fine tuning". In fact most of the universe is "fine tuned" against the existence of life. The "fine tuning" argument is not an argument against evolution at all and is an extremely weak argument for the existence of a god. And what is funnier still is that Christians make the almost infinitely large leap in believing that if the existence of a god is proven, which of course they haven't, that this god has to be their God. They do not realize that all gods are equally as likely until evidence shows that not to be the case. This is true regardless of who or what you worship, whether it is the Christian God, the Muslim Allah, or even the Pastafarian Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Existence of God is not proved by fine-tuning, God's existence was proved by Jesus' resurrection.

Fine-tuning rules out chance, the atheist god as having any efficacy. It castrates him. Of course other gods could have fine-tuned the universe but it certainly wasn't the god of atheism. He doesn't exist. The atheist is then forced to acknowledge Allah even if the atheist is not a Muslim but whichever way you slice it, God exists.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Mississauga, Canada

#25 Jun 15, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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Existence of God is not proved by fine-tuning, God's existence was proved by Jesus' resurrection.
Fine-tuning rules out chance, the atheist god as having any efficacy. It castrates him. Of course other gods could have fine-tuned the universe but it certainly wasn't the god of atheism. He doesn't exist. The atheist is then forced to acknowledge Allah even if the atheist is not a Muslim but whichever way you slice it, God exists.
Jesus was just another mental retard,after all he cursed a fig tree for not bearing fruit OUT of season!! LLL
www.jesusneverexisted.com

And God exists only in your brainwashed mind,

www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
In Six Days

Llansantffraid, UK

#26 Jun 15, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
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Jesus was just another mental retard,after all he cursed a fig tree for not bearing fruit OUT of season!! LLL
www.jesusneverexisted.com
And God exists only in your brainwashed mind,
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
You can't have a mind to say God does not exist or Christians are retards without God existing first, fool. Whose air do you think you breathe?

Evil my arse. If there's no God, there's no evil, just molecules fizzing aimlessly. If we killed you, it wouldn't murder or evil, just re-arranging molecules. Fancy a slap? Surely you are not that stupid. Oh dear, what a dullard. You need to repent stat. Get a Bible, now!!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#27 Jun 15, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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Existence of God is not proved by fine-tuning, God's existence was proved by Jesus' resurrection.
Fine-tuning rules out chance, the atheist god as having any efficacy. It castrates him. Of course other gods could have fine-tuned the universe but it certainly wasn't the god of atheism. He doesn't exist. The atheist is then forced to acknowledge Allah even if the atheist is not a Muslim but whichever way you slice it, God exists.
But there is no objective evidence that Jesus came back from the grave so your God is not proved. In fact there are many claims in the Gospels that if true there surely would have been some sort of record of it. It looks like the Gospels are just another fairy tale.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#28 Jun 15, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You can't have a mind to say God does not exist or Christians are retards without God existing first, fool. Whose air do you think you breathe?
Evil my arse. If there's no God, there's no evil, just molecules fizzing aimlessly. If we killed you, it wouldn't murder or evil, just re-arranging molecules. Fancy a slap? Surely you are not that stupid. Oh dear, what a dullard. You need to repent stat. Get a Bible, now!!
What? You do realize that this is complete idiocy don't you?

I could substitute the Flying Spaghetti Monster everywhere you put the word "God" in your post. Does that mean that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real? rAmen. And remember, he boiled for your sins.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#29 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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Existence of God is not proved by fine-tuning, God's existence was proved by Jesus' resurrection.
I think you miss the meaning of the word "proved". You cannot even prove Jesus existed, and if he did, you cannot prove he was resurrected. All you have is some inconsistent eye-witness accounts written decades after the fact. They can do better than that in India on an average weekend when it comes to eye-witness miracles.

Really, if this was supposed to be the "proof of God", its seems God went out of his way to make it look unconvincing.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#30 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You can't have a mind to say God does not exist or Christians are retards without God existing first, fool. Whose air do you think you breathe?
Evil my arse. If there's no God, there's no evil, just molecules fizzing aimlessly. If we killed you, it wouldn't murder or evil, just re-arranging molecules. Fancy a slap? Surely you are not that stupid. Oh dear, what a dullard. You need to repent stat. Get a Bible, now!!
I will wager that if you suddenly believed tomorrow that the material world is all there is, and the next day your daughter was raped and beaten to death, you would not be any less affected than you would be now.

The idea that evil is not real if God is not real is simply, experientially and realistically, totally absurd. Its just another load of rubbish that pastors tell their gullible flocks.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#31 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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The TV says "intelligent designed has never provided one testable hypothesis." Keep watching it & drinking the poison. I can see exactly why you cannot understand that SETI is a test of an intelligent design hypothesis.
Let me explain in simple language: "S" for search means test & "I" stands for intelligence. Duh.
Its not a hypothesis that "intelligent design" exists. You are writing on an intelligently designed computer, we all know that.

Its a hypothesis that ID was required for the development of life. There is another mechanism called evolution that produces structured complexity and it comes with constraints, and we observe that life exists within those constraints. So evolution works within the constraints of natural phenomena operating without intelligent input, and ID is simply unnecessary in this case.

SETI specifically looks for patterns that would NOT be consistent with natural phenomena operating without intelligence. Such as the prime number sequence. There is no reason for a prime number sequence to be radioed through space in the absence of an intelligence generating it.

So its not the same thing at all, not even close.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#33 Jun 16, 2014
How the weekly Babble school looks like:
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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#34 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You are having a laugh here, Troll. The existence of life in the universe is not evidence of the existence of life in the universe??? Keep smoking the pipe.
No, you misread me. I'll clarify:

The existence of life in the universe is evidence of the existence of life in the universe.

The existence of life in the universe is NOT evidence of the existence of life in the universe AND that it was all made by an invisible magic Jew.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#35 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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The TV says "intelligent designed has never provided one testable hypothesis." Keep watching it & drinking the poison. I can see exactly why you cannot understand that SETI is a test of an intelligent design hypothesis.
Let me explain in simple language: "S" for search means test & "I" stands for intelligence. Duh.
Great.

Now demonstrate how SETI aplies to invisible magic Jews.

After all, if they support your claim they should already have it up on their website, right? That SETI has found evidence of invisble magic Jews AND that said Jew(s) made life on Earth.

So go ahead. Take your time.

We know you will.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
Existence of God is not proved by fine-tuning, God's existence was proved by Jesus' resurrection.
Pity then that Jesus's resurrection has no more validity than the resurrection of Horus.
In Six Days wrote:
Fine-tuning rules out chance
No it doesn't. For if chance is a component, then each and every outcome, even those that couldn't support life, were equally likely.

Another possibility is that this is the only way that the universe could have turned out given the physics involved. At this time there is no way to be sure.
In Six Days wrote:
the atheist god as having any efficacy. It castrates him.
Atheism is irrelevant to the validity of science. As is theism. Science makes no theological claims.

Unfortunately (for you) you do, so all you need to do is show how invisible magic Jews pass the scientific method.

So far you can't do that.

Also notice that you've moved FROM the subject of evolution (which I was able to demonstrate passes the scientific method) to the subject of how the universe was ultimately formed, a subject which the validity of biological evolution doesn't rely on.
In Six Days wrote:
Of course other gods could have fine-tuned the universe but it certainly wasn't the god of atheism.
Yes, it could have been Ra, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, or the FSM. How can we tell which one it was?
In Six Days wrote:
He doesn't exist.
You're right - the God of atheism doesn't exist. That's a caricature invented by creationists for the purpose of avoiding facts and beating up a straw-man.
In Six Days wrote:
The atheist is then forced to acknowledge Allah even if the atheist is not a Muslim but whichever way you slice it, God exists.
Allah, Jehova, Zeus, whatever. Science does not care. All it requires you to do is show how these pass the scientific method.

Take your time.

All the time you need.

Just bear in mind you've already HAD thousands of years.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#37 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You can't have a mind to say God does not exist or Christians are retards without God existing first, fool. Whose air do you think you breathe?
Evil my arse. If there's no God, there's no evil, just molecules fizzing aimlessly. If we killed you, it wouldn't murder or evil, just re-arranging molecules. Fancy a slap? Surely you are not that stupid. Oh dear, what a dullard. You need to repent stat. Get a Bible, now!!
"Evil" exists in the same way Star Wars does. Star Wars is only a story, so is therefore purely an abstract concept. But abstract concepts can certainly have a social/cultural effect. Quite obviously, as people have made billions of dollars on it.

Just like the story of the Bible too, eh?

By the way - repent to who for what?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#38 Jun 16, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
Its a hypothesis that ID was required for the development of life.
Which if true, then someone designed the designer.

Who made God? Cue special exemption from initial premise.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#39 Jun 16, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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The TV says "intelligent designed has never provided one testable hypothesis." Keep watching it & drinking the poison. I can see exactly why you cannot understand that SETI is a test of an intelligent design hypothesis.
Let me explain in simple language: "S" for search means test & "I" stands for intelligence. Duh.
i think you are muddling all kinds of things.
Justin

United States

#40 Jun 16, 2014
Most of the food we eat today comes from genetically engineered organisms.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#41 Jun 16, 2014
Justin wrote:
Most of the food we eat today comes from genetically engineered organisms.
Still don't care about your darn aliens.

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