Are You Intelligently Designed?

Are You Intelligently Designed?

There are 409 comments on the The Capital-Journal story from Oct 23, 2012, titled Are You Intelligently Designed?. In it, The Capital-Journal reports that:

Sometimes, when I'm discussing or debating issues with online atheists, agnostics, and evolutionists, the huge topic of Intelligent Design comes up, and they ask me to explain the Intelligent Design hypothesis to them.

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#22 Jan 20, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Except of course for the fact that that is absolutely incorrect and that we've not only observed it in nature but also in the lab.
Sorry Nutten,

That's just the propaganda you believe. You can't even define complexity.

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#23 Jan 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Nutten,
That's just the propaganda you believe. You can't even define complexity.
Complexity is an increase in different parts.

So, something with three different parts is more complex than something with 200 of the same two parts repeated over and over.
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#24 Jan 20, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Complexity is an increase in different parts.
So, something with three different parts is more complex than something with 200 of the same two parts repeated over and over.
So what is the Nutten complexity number for the average human?

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#25 Jan 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>So what is the Nutten complexity number for the average human?
Your question makes no sense. Explain how you came up with it.
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#26 Jan 20, 2013
I'm talking to an unthinking machine.
Shubee wrote:
And you assume that molecular machines can increase in complexity over time, which has no empirical, observational support.
Nuggin wrote:
Except of course for the fact that that is absolutely incorrect and that we've not only observed it in nature but also in the lab.
Shubee wrote:
Sorry Nutten,
That's just the propaganda you believe. You can't even define complexity.
Nuggin wrote:
Complexity is an increase in different parts.
So, something with three different parts is more complex than something with 200 of the same two parts repeated over and over.

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#27 Jan 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
I'm talking to an unthinking machine.
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You're talking AS an unthinking machine.

You asked for the "complexity number of the average human". Are you claiming that average humans are unthinking molecular machines?

Again, you're not being clear.

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#28 Jan 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>And you assume that molecular machines can increase in complexity over time, which has no empirical, observational support.
Now you are assuming they are machines and not just functioning on chemical properties.
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#29 Jan 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Now you are assuming they are machines and not just functioning on chemical properties.
It is an axiom in the theory of devolution that all life forms on planet earth are molecular machines. I don't believe that any scientist doubts this scientific hypothesis.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/v37_1_04/...
http://books.google.com/books...

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#30 Jan 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>It is an axiom in the theory of devolution that all life forms on planet earth are molecular machines. I don't believe that any scientist doubts this scientific hypothesis.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/v37_1_04/...
http://books.google.com/books...
Still assuming. Can you not avoid assumptions at all?

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#31 Jan 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>It is an axiom in the theory of devolution that all life forms on planet earth are molecular machines. I don't believe that any scientist doubts this scientific hypothesis.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/v37_1_04/...
http://books.google.com/books...
Largely because real scientists don't read your bullsh1t articles.

“Al Qur'an is Revolution ”

Since: Oct 12

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#32 Jan 21, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Except that the Universe is not perfectly designed.
If you were to build me an office building, would you make it the size I needed? Twice as big? Ten times as big? Would you make the office building a hundred billion billion billion times bigger than it needs to be? Is that good design?
Would you fill it with black holes, super novas, meteors, gamma ray blasts? Would you open the doors for the building hundreds of millions of years before you let anyone go in and set up equipment?
It's ridiculous.
Look, these bronze age fairy tales were fine when people didn't have better answers to questions, but you HAVE better answers. You are using a computer! You can't honestly expect us to believe that you also believe in magic.
"Space and time are illusions of 'perception' we '(Quantum Physics)

Our bodies are assembled from atoms, whereas atoms that consists almost entirely of empty space ..

"Atom = 99.9999999999999999% empty space"

Everyday that we see is not reality seemed full of life..

'Awareness' is the true reality ..

Since childhood, formal education to adults forced us to think with the left brain, thereby inhibiting the intuitive / sensitive / emotional / awareness in the right brain's natural ability to remove the human to feel the reality of the real ..

Everyday that does not look and do not see (the Most Magical) that the true reality of the 'high level of awareness'..

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#33 Jan 21, 2013
"Space and time are illusions of our 'perception''(Quantum Physics)

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#34 Jan 21, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Tautology.
Define "design". Give me an example of something which is designed. Give me an example of something which is not designed.
i think it holistically.. not partial

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#35 Jan 21, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
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i think it holistically.. not partial
And yet you cannot complete a sentence.

Here some "thinking through to conclusions" for you.

Mohammed demands the punishment of death for any "backsliders" who abandon Islam, as agreed by all four major schools of Sharia. This includes not only those who chose Islam but those who were born into it and had no choice in the matter.

Yet the same Mohammed, when he was merely a powerless street preacher in Makka, defended the principle that "there is no compulsion in religion".

Scholars avoid the obvious contradiction by claiming that "chronologically later versus of the Quran supercede (abrogate)earlier ones".

Conclusions:

1. According to Muslims, Mohammed is always right even when he contradicts himself.

2. Mohammed was also a coward and bully who begged for leniency when weak but became a tyrant when strong, drowning those who defied him in a sea of blood and boasting about it.

3. Islam is a totalitarian system that does not allow anyone within its control to speak out publicly against it, and therefore it is completely incompatible with democracy, freedom of thought and inquiry, and this is one reason it has not produced a great scientist for 700 years (when "the doors of inquiry" were officially closed by the clerics).

Oh, and "irreducible complexity" is not a valid argument, flawed from the most basic principles. But I imagine you are too frothy with righteous lunatic rage to be able to discuss that rationally now.

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#36 Jan 21, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
Since childhood, formal education to adults forced us to think with the left brain, thereby inhibiting the intuitive / sensitive / emotional / awareness in the right brain's natural ability to remove the human to feel the reality of the real ..
My intuitive / sensitive / emotionally aware right brain finds your violent and totalitarian religion about as false and repulsive as any system of thought can be. Right up there with Stalin, Mao and Hitler.

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#37 Jan 22, 2013
Irreducible complexity fails in principle.

Nobody can claim to know all the possible pathways to a complex structure, and what useful intermediate functions the assembled components may have separately had during the evolution of the complex item; nor what other "bridging structures" may have existed in the organism in the past but disappeared; therefore, nobody can, after the complex assembly exists, claim there was "no way" it could have happened in stages.

That is the core of Behe's claim, and its false all the way to the bottom.

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#38 Jan 22, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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My intuitive / sensitive / emotionally aware right brain finds your violent and totalitarian religion about as false and repulsive as any system of thought can be. Right up there with Stalin, Mao and Hitler.
ideal science is with spiritual integrated..
Einstein says science without religion is lame :)

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#39 Jan 22, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
Irreducible complexity fails in principle.
Nobody can claim to know all the possible pathways to a complex structure, and what useful intermediate functions the assembled components may have separately had during the evolution of the complex item; nor what other "bridging structures" may have existed in the organism in the past but disappeared; therefore, nobody can, after the complex assembly exists, claim there was "no way" it could have happened in stages.
That is the core of Behe's claim, and its false all the way to the bottom.
:)

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#40 Jan 22, 2013
Taking into account all of these requirements, it’s clear that the fossil record must be incomplete.… we can estimate that we have fossil evidence of only 0.1 percent to 1 percent of all species—hardly a good sample of the history of life

What should our “missing link” with apes look like? Remember that the “missing link” is the single ancestral species that gave rise to modern humans on the one hand and chimpanzees on the other. It’s not reasonable to expect the discovery of that critical single species, for its identification would require a complete series of ancestor-descendant fossils on both the chimp and human lineages, series that we could trace back until they intersect at the ancestor. Except for a few marine microorganisms, such complete fossil sequences don’t exist. And our early human ancestors were large, relatively few in number compared to grazers like antelopes, and inhabited a small part of Africa under dry conditions not conducive to fossilization. Their fossils, like those of all apes and monkeys, are scarce. This resembles our problem with the evolution of birds from feathered reptiles, for whom transitional fossils are also rare. We can certainly trace the evolution of birds from feathered reptiles, but we’re not sure exactly which fossil species were the direct ancestors of modern birds.

Given all this, we can’t expect to find the single particular species that represents the “missing link” between humans and other apes. We can hope only to find its evolutionary cousins. Remember also that this common ancestor was not a chimpanzee, and probably didn’t look like either modern chimps or humans. Nevertheless, it’s likely that the “missing link” was closer in appearance to modern chimps than to modern humans. We are the odd man out in the evolution of modern apes, who all resemble one another far more than they resemble us.

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#41 Jan 22, 2013
evolution failure.. we are intelligently design

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