Are You Intelligently Designed?

Are You Intelligently Designed?

There are 409 comments on the The Capital-Journal story from Oct 23, 2012, titled Are You Intelligently Designed?. In it, The Capital-Journal reports that:

Sometimes, when I'm discussing or debating issues with online atheists, agnostics, and evolutionists, the huge topic of Intelligent Design comes up, and they ask me to explain the Intelligent Design hypothesis to them.

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“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 Oct 28, 2012
Still nothing but assertions, no evidence, no hypothesis, nothing.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Level 2

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#2 Oct 29, 2012
Ah, my kitten, whether you hiss or purr, scratch or nuzzle, what you do always makes sense. Not designed, but very intelligent!
vegan

Goodman, MO

#3 Oct 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Still nothing but assertions, no evidence, no hypothesis, nothing.
Are you old Goth, or did you just take too many pills this moring?

I couldn't say I'm intelligently designed, I don't use the spell check, I don't even know if I'm spelling these words correctly.

One thing I do know is I heard a mysterious voice said words from the place antiquity. Time Travelers? I don't know. Said. The world or age of it is coming to an end. Mitt Romney will become president.

I looked at the article. The person is another blow hard creationist with that alarming no-news noise.

The person has no life. He'd/she do better hanging out with me observing the stars, and the animals.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 Nov 1, 2012
vegan wrote:
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Are you old Goth, or did you just take too many pills this moring?
I couldn't say I'm intelligently designed, I don't use the spell check, I don't even know if I'm spelling these words correctly.
One thing I do know is I heard a mysterious voice said words from the place antiquity. Time Travelers? I don't know. Said. The world or age of it is coming to an end. Mitt Romney will become president.
I looked at the article. The person is another blow hard creationist with that alarming no-news noise.
The person has no life. He'd/she do better hanging out with me observing the stars, and the animals.
I am no one else.
frogdoctor

UK

#6 Nov 4, 2012
I have no reason to believe that but plenty of reasons not to believe so.
the Vegan

Goodman, MO

#7 Nov 4, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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I am no one else.
I love old goth, and that old new wave psychedelic music.

San Diego had this Goth club close to Balboa park and the girls were so pretty, they had on so much make-up, a person couldn't even tell what they looked like. Very attractive.

Today there is a new music called 'Goa Trance' It's suppose to be a psychedelic trance music that originated in the beachfront of India. I have never heard it.

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/go...

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#8 Nov 4, 2012
the Vegan wrote:
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I love old goth, and that old new wave psychedelic music.
San Diego had this Goth club close to Balboa park and the girls were so pretty, they had on so much make-up, a person couldn't even tell what they looked like. Very attractive.
Today there is a new music called 'Goa Trance' It's suppose to be a psychedelic trance music that originated in the beachfront of India. I have never heard it.
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/go...
Interesting, I will have to check that out.
Russell

Canberra, Australia

#9 Nov 14, 2012
When you look at a building, does it look like it made itself, or was it designed? When you look at a painting, did the painting make itself, or did it have a painter? Are you telling me that no intelligence is necessary to create life in the beginning? Then you have much greater faith than I. Whenever you may walk along a beach and see an inscription in the sand that you interpret as "In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth," do you think "oh look what time and chance has done to the sand"! or do you say "I wonder who wrote this" or "yuk ....#@$&%.. blank blank!?"

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#10 Nov 14, 2012
Russell wrote:
When you look at a building, does it look like it made itself, or was it designed? When you look at a painting, did the painting make itself, or did it have a painter? Are you telling me that no intelligence is necessary to create life in the beginning? Then you have much greater faith than I. Whenever you may walk along a beach and see an inscription in the sand that you interpret as "In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth," do you think "oh look what time and chance has done to the sand"! or do you say "I wonder who wrote this" or "yuk ....#@$&%.. blank blank!?"
Does a building or painting reproduce biologically?

No?

Then your analogy is pointless.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 Nov 14, 2012
Russell wrote:
When you look at a building, does it look like it made itself, or was it designed? When you look at a painting, did the painting make itself, or did it have a painter? Are you telling me that no intelligence is necessary to create life in the beginning? Then you have much greater faith than I. Whenever you may walk along a beach and see an inscription in the sand that you interpret as "In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth," do you think "oh look what time and chance has done to the sand"! or do you say "I wonder who wrote this" or "yuk ....#@$&%.. blank blank!?"
How do you know for certain that these things are made? Natural processes, even the ones that seem the most chaotic to us, produce some very elaborate and almost human made looking things.

Of course, equating mechanical to biological functions is only what toddlers do.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#12 Nov 15, 2012
Russell wrote:
When you look at a building, does it look like it made itself, or was it designed? When you look at a painting, did the painting make itself, or did it have a painter?
Since they are not self-replicating biological organisms your analogy falls flat.

Of course if you HAD valid mechanisms for "design" you'd simply be able to tell us what they are instead of relying on poor analogies based on human designs instead.
Russell wrote:
Are you telling me that no intelligence is necessary to create life in the beginning? Then you have much greater faith than I.
Since intelligence is not needed to create life now there is no need to presume it was needed in the beginning. That's not to say that there definitely was no intelligent agent responsible for life on Earth. But so far there is no evidence.

But then if intelligence is needed to create life then the same must be said of your intelligent agent. Who designed the designer? If the rule "must" work that way for us then it must equally apply to you. Otherwise there may simply be a good reason for life not needing intelligence to arise, just as you think that your intelligent agent does not require it either.
Russell wrote:
Whenever you may walk along a beach and see an inscription in the sand that you interpret as "In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth," do you think "oh look what time and chance has done to the sand"! or do you say "I wonder who wrote this" or "yuk ....#@$&%.. blank blank!?"
Ah, but time and chance are not mechanisms, and thus are not invoked as being responsible for natural phenomena. Ever. So where you aware of this and just arguing against a caricature instead or just simply making an argument from ignorance? Again you rely on an analogy about something created by humans. But the thing is with human creations we can describe the mechanisms involved with creating the phenomena you refer to. All you need do is do the same for your "design hypothesis".

So far though, everything that can be determined about life is that it is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

By the way Russ! Have you decided to address all your mistakes and lies on the other thread yet? Or will Jesus come back first?

“Al Qur'an is Revolution ”

Since: Oct 12

Islam is Future

#13 Jan 19, 2013
of course.. man is intelligently designed.. created
when we talk 'about science in one side.. God in the other side.. as The Creator :)

“Al Qur'an is Revolution ”

Since: Oct 12

Islam is Future

#14 Jan 19, 2013
all design is created.. :)

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Jan 19, 2013
Russell wrote:
When you look at a building, does it look like it made itself, or was it designed? When you look at a painting, did the painting make itself, or did it have a painter? Are you telling me that no intelligence is necessary to create life in the beginning? Then you have much greater faith than I. Whenever you may walk along a beach and see an inscription in the sand that you interpret as "In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth," do you think "oh look what time and chance has done to the sand"! or do you say "I wonder who wrote this" or "yuk ....#@$&%.. blank blank!?"
You can tell that a building is designed because you've also seen a pile of building materials which have not been designed.

Now, can you point me to a life form which you can claim has not been designed so that I can compare it with something that has been designed?

Also, can you explain to me who this designer is? And whether or not he/she/it has any experience with designing?

Here's why. If I saw a building, I'd know it was designed. But, if one side of the building had elevators that didn't go up or down - I'd be left scratching my head. If there was a bathroom in the building with no plumbing and it randomly killed people by exploding from time to time - I'd seriously start questioning the architects intentions.

Male nipples. Appendix. There's a list of something like 20 SERIOUS design flaws with the human form. Not "I'd have done it different" stuff. But serious, GO TO JAIL if you did this to a building design flaws.

So either it's not designed, or your designer is a dolt

“Al Qur'an is Revolution ”

Since: Oct 12

Islam is Future

#16 Jan 19, 2013
if a building is not designed perfectly by an architect.. how comes the building can be perfect with doors, windows, floor, roof, room, ornament, many details, etc?
of course, God created universe perfecly.. its logic.. rational

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Jan 19, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
if a building is not designed perfectly by an architect.. how comes the building can be perfect with doors, windows, floor, roof, room, ornament, many details, etc?
of course, God created universe perfecly.. its logic.. rational
Except that the Universe is not perfectly designed.

If you were to build me an office building, would you make it the size I needed? Twice as big? Ten times as big? Would you make the office building a hundred billion billion billion times bigger than it needs to be? Is that good design?

Would you fill it with black holes, super novas, meteors, gamma ray blasts? Would you open the doors for the building hundreds of millions of years before you let anyone go in and set up equipment?

It's ridiculous.

Look, these bronze age fairy tales were fine when people didn't have better answers to questions, but you HAVE better answers. You are using a computer! You can't honestly expect us to believe that you also believe in magic.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Jan 19, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
all design is created..:)
Tautology.

Define "design". Give me an example of something which is designed. Give me an example of something which is not designed.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#19 Jan 20, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
if a building is not designed perfectly by an architect.. how comes the building can be perfect with doors, windows, floor, roof, room, ornament, many details, etc?
of course, God created universe perfecly.. its logic.. rational
You assume the universe was created, then you assume it was created by your specific god. That means you are not following logic, nor are you being rational. Rational is following the evidence, not leading it.
Level 6

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#20 Jan 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
You assume the universe was created, then you assume it was created by your specific god. That means you are not following logic, nor are you being rational. Rational is following the evidence, not leading it.
And you assume that molecular machines can increase in complexity over time, which has no empirical, observational support.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Jan 20, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>And you assume that molecular machines can increase in complexity over time, which has no empirical, observational support.
Except of course for the fact that that is absolutely incorrect and that we've not only observed it in nature but also in the lab.

In fact, even with the slightest bit of thought you should realize this.

A "molecular motor" such as a flagella that sprouts a longer tail, or a flatter tail, or two tails, etc and it results in faster movement is more complex than the original.

Unless you are prepared to show that there is ZERO variability among all living things, you are going to have to admit that variability exists and by the very nature of variability, some things are better at doing a specific task than other things.

www.shubeeisanidiot.gov

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