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Kan49

Antelope, CA

#1 Jun 12, 2011
I just want to write about the age of the earth. To my understanding evolution believes that as time passes things get better and should be evolving into better things. However, this does not seem to be the case with the world.

There seems to be a LARGE gap between the billions of years (evolutionists believe) and around 7,000 years (creationists). This debate about the age of the earth seems to be a heated one. Having the age of the earth on your side of the debate can make or break your debate. The 7,000 years time frame goes along with what the Bible says happened in history. However, on the evolution side of the debate they need the earth to be billions of years old to back up their theory of how the world came to be. For evolutionists they need billions of years for creatures to evolve into the forms they are now. This is because science can not prove evolution. In pure science (physics, chemistry, biology, ect.): evidence must be observable and measurable, and the experiment itself must be repeatable. No one has ever been able to observe evolution. Even the smartest scientist with the most high tech equipment have not been able to figure it out. No one has found the “mixture of chemicals” to reproduce a life form.

In order for evolutionary scientists to demonstrate that simple life forms have changed into more complex life forms over time, they must demonstrate it historically by producing examples of such changes, often referred to as “transitional” forms. If evolution has been taking place for millions of year then there should be lots of transitional forms. With that said these transitional forms fossils should be in order in the layers of rocks. However, this is not what is being discovered. The evidence is in the fossil record.

So, I believe that the Biblical record of time is correct and that God created the earth. Man did not evolve from apes. Man was created in God image. There is more solid evidence that backs up the God created the earth. Evolution is faith based, you are basing your faith into something that has no prof and says you come from apes.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#2 Jun 12, 2011
Kan49 wrote:
I just want to write about the age of the earth. To my understanding evolution believes that as time passes things get better and should be evolving into better things. However, this does not seem to be the case with the world.
The age of the Earth is determined by physics and geology ... NOT biology (let alone the Theory of Evolution). Right off the bat, you display your ignorance of science.
Kan49 wrote:
There seems to be a LARGE gap between the billions of years (evolutionists believe) and around 7,000 years (creationists). The 7,000 years time frame goes along with what the Bible says happened in history.
Bummer for you that History contradicts a 7000 year old Earth.
Kan49 wrote:
However, on the evolution side of the debate they need the earth to be billions of years old to back up their theory of how the world came to be.
Again, the Theory of Evolution says NOTHING about 'how the world came to be".
Kan49 wrote:
For evolutionists they need billions of years for creatures to evolve into the forms they are now. This is because science can not prove evolution.
This would be a LIE!

There is a VAST amount of evidence for evolution.

BILLIONS of bits of information, data and empirical evidence, collected over the past 200 years, studied and researched by TENS OF MILLIONS of scientists and technicians, from EVERY scientific discipline, form EVERY religious denomination, in TENS OF THOUSANDS of museums, universities, research laboratories, excavation sites, observatories, research hospitals, etc. all around the world.
Kan49 wrote:
In pure science (physics, chemistry, biology, ect.): evidence must be observable and measurable, and the experiment itself must be repeatable. No one has ever been able to observe evolution.
This would be a LIE!
Kan49 wrote:
Even the smartest scientist with the most high tech equipment have not been able to figure it out.
This would be a LIE!
Kan49 wrote:
No one has found the “mixture of chemicals” to reproduce a life form.
In science "we don't know that yet, but we are working on it" is a perfectly reasonable and acceptable answer. Further, there has been LOTS of research done on abiogenesis in the past 20 years or so.
Kan49 wrote:
In order for evolutionary scientists to demonstrate that simple life forms have changed into more complex life forms over time, they must demonstrate it historically by producing examples of such changes, often referred to as “transitional” forms. If evolution has been taking place for millions of year then there should be lots of transitional forms. With that said these transitional forms fossils should be in order in the layers of rocks. However, this is not what is being discovered.
This would be a LIE!

There have been LOTS of transitional organisms found.
Kan49 wrote:
So, I believe that the Biblical record of time is correct and that God created the earth.
Believe whatever you want, but adding up the ages of fictional characters in a bronze age, goat-herder FAIRY TALE is NOT considered scientific evidence.
Kan49 wrote:
Man did not evolve from apes.
Yes we did. The REAL evidence is pretty overwhelming.
Kan49 wrote:
Man was created in God image.
For which you have some ink on a few pages of a bronze age, goat-herder FAIRY TALE in support.
Kan49 wrote:
There is more solid evidence that backs up the God created the earth.
This would be a LIE!

THOUSANDS of years worth of BILLIONS of believers worshipping THOUSANDS of different "gods" and NO ONE has ever demonstrated that any of the "gods" exist, let alone that one of them "created" the Earth.
Kan49 wrote:
Evolution is faith based, you are basing your faith into something that has no prof
This would be a LIE!
Kan49 wrote:
and says you come from apes.
We ARE apes.

“Religion is Superstition”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#3 Jun 13, 2011
I see we have another fool whose decided to sacrifice his honor, integrity and intellect on the bloody altar of his god.

And he's essentially running the same crap the last hundred of them did, are these parrots working off a bloody script?
FREE KNIGHT

Ripley, WV

#4 Jun 13, 2011
MIDutch wrote:
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The age of the Earth is determined by physics and geology ... NOT biology (let alone the Theory of Evolution). Right off the bat, you display your ignorance of science.
<quoted text>
Bummer for you that History contradicts a 7000 year old Earth.
<quoted text>
Again, the Theory of Evolution says NOTHING about 'how the world came to be".
<quoted text>
This would be a LIE!
There is a VAST amount of evidence for evolution.
BILLIONS of bits of information, data and empirical evidence, collected over the past 200 years, studied and researched by TENS OF MILLIONS of scientists and technicians, from EVERY scientific discipline, form EVERY religious denomination, in TENS OF THOUSANDS of museums, universities, research laboratories, excavation sites, observatories, research hospitals, etc. all around the world.
<quoted text>
This would be a LIE!
<quoted text>
This would be a LIE!
<quoted text>
In science "we don't know that yet, but we are working on it" is a perfectly reasonable and acceptable answer. Further, there has been LOTS of research done on abiogenesis in the past 20 years or so.
<quoted text>
This would be a LIE!
There have been LOTS of transitional organisms found.
<quoted text>
Believe whatever you want, but adding up the ages of fictional characters in a bronze age, goat-herder FAIRY TALE is NOT considered scientific evidence.
<quoted text>
Yes we did. The REAL evidence is pretty overwhelming.
<quoted text>
For which you have some ink on a few pages of a bronze age, goat-herder FAIRY TALE in support.
<quoted text>
This would be a LIE!
THOUSANDS of years worth of BILLIONS of believers worshipping THOUSANDS of different "gods" and NO ONE has ever demonstrated that any of the "gods" exist, let alone that one of them "created" the Earth.
<quoted text>
This would be a LIE!
<quoted text>
We ARE apes.
Can you tell us how long an earth day was in the beginning? The very fact that things happend very very quickly due to the fast rotation of the earth can lead us to a new conclusion and understanding as to how processe could have came into formation faster than they do now.

“Religion is Superstition”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#5 Jun 13, 2011
FREE KNIGHT wrote:
<quoted text>Can you tell us how long an earth day was in the beginning? The very fact that things happend very very quickly due to the fast rotation of the earth can lead us to a new conclusion and understanding as to how processe could have came into formation faster than they do now.
In it's youth, the Earth rotated much faster than it does now.

The length of one day was about 21.9 hours 620 million years ago as recorded by rhythmites (alternating layers in sandstone); when the Earth was new about 4.5 billion years ago, it was probably around six hours as determined by computer simulations.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day )
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#7 Jun 13, 2011
FREE KNIGHT wrote:
<quoted text>Can you tell us how long an earth day was in the beginning?
Well, for starters, "in the beginning" there was NO Earth. The research and evidence demonstrate and science concludes that the Earth did not form until around 9 BILLION years after "in the beginning" .
FREE KNIGHT wrote:
<quoted text>The very fact that things happend very very quickly due to the fast rotation of the earth can lead us to a new conclusion and understanding as to how processe could have came into formation faster than they do now.
Can you tell us what logic, reason, research and empirical evidence you have that would lead to a conclusion other than what mainstream science has come up with?

The very fact that 'some' people believe in bronze age, goat-herder FAIRY TALES, and want the rest of us to think they have some scientific validity, does NOT qualify.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#8 Jun 13, 2011
Kan49, we have societies with histories that date back further than 7000 years. Your young earth fails just because of them.

“Religion is Superstition”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#9 Jun 13, 2011
llDayo wrote:
Kan49, we have societies with histories that date back further than 7000 years. Your young earth fails just because of them.
They've dated tree rings back over 7000 years. Not from an single tree, though there are a few that lived through the time of the flood and are still around, but through dendrochronology, they've established chronologies pushing back close to 12,000 years.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#10 Jun 13, 2011
llDayo wrote:
Kan49, we have societies with histories that date back further than 7000 years. Your young earth fails just because of them.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/sumerians-lo...
LMT

Twinsburg, OH

#11 Jun 13, 2011
llDayo wrote:
Kan49, we have societies with histories that date back further than 7000 years. Your young earth fails just because of them.
Gobekli Tepe, an intricately carved and crafted temple in Turkey dating back 12,000 years:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeo...

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#12 Jun 13, 2011
MIDutch wrote:
Thanks for that! I needed a good laugh today.
The Dude

UK

#13 Jun 13, 2011
Kan49 wrote:
I just want to write about the age of the earth.
Then you're in the wrong forum. You want geology or astrophysics.
Kan49 wrote:
To my understanding evolution believes that as time passes things get better and should be evolving into better things.
Your understanding is wrong. Evolution is not goal directed. You can take it from this that whatever you postulate further, which is presumably based on this misunderstanding, will also be wrong.
Kan49 wrote:
However, this does not seem to be the case with the world.
There seems to be a LARGE gap between the billions of years (evolutionists believe) and around 7,000 years (creationists). This debate about the age of the earth seems to be a heated one. Having the age of the earth on your side of the debate can make or break your debate.
There IS no scientific debate. The ONLY people who "debate" the age of the Earth do so for RELIGIOUS reasons, as you happily demonstrate.
Kan49 wrote:
The 7,000 years time frame goes along with what the Bible says happened in history.
False, the Bible makes no specific claim. Hence why Old Earth Creationists disagree with you.
Kan49 wrote:
However, on the evolution side of the debate they need the earth to be billions of years old to back up their theory of how the world came to be. For evolutionists they need billions of years for creatures to evolve into the forms they are now. This is because science can not prove evolution. In pure science (physics, chemistry, biology, ect.): evidence must be observable and measurable, and the experiment itself must be repeatable. No one has ever been able to observe evolution. Even the smartest scientist with the most high tech equipment have not been able to figure it out.
False. Evolution is observed and has been demonstrated in the lab and the field. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean scientists don't. And it was established that the Earth was MUCH older than 6000 years BEFORE Darwin came along.
Kan49 wrote:
No one has found the “mixture of chemicals” to reproduce a life form.
You are referring to abiogenesis, which evolution doesn't have to explain. All evolution needs is life to be here. Life IS here. Life evolves. Facts.
Kan49 wrote:
In order for evolutionary scientists to demonstrate that simple life forms have changed into more complex life forms over time, they must demonstrate it historically by producing examples of such changes, often referred to as “transitional” forms. If evolution has been taking place for millions of year then there should be lots of transitional forms. With that said these transitional forms fossils should be in order in the layers of rocks. However, this is not what is being discovered. The evidence is in the fossil record.
The fossil record contradicts your claims. There ARE transitionals. However there should NOT be lots of them. Fossilization is the exception, not the rule.
Kan49 wrote:
So, I believe that the Biblical record of time is correct and that God created the earth. Man did not evolve from apes. Man was created in God image. There is more solid evidence that backs up the God created the earth. Evolution is faith based, you are basing your faith into something that has no prof and says you come from apes.
Your beliefs are irrelevant to reality and have no evidence. Since you claim otherwise, then may I ask, what exactly IS the "scientific theory" of Creationism? Or is it just "Evolution iz wrong therefore Goddidit with magic!" ?

Thought so.
The Dude

UK

#14 Jun 13, 2011
FREE KNIGHT wrote:
<quoted text>Can you tell us how long an earth day was in the beginning?
No he can't. Because all the definitions of the word "day" in the Bible are contradictory and make no sense when we speak of a day here on planet Earth (just under 24 hours).

It says God created "days" before he created the sun and the planets. Also a day on each planet is different to all the others. Also there's the line that says "A thousand years to us is like a day to God". Which quite simply makes no sense from a human perspective, and makes no sense from a theological perspective, as a 'God' which is supposed to exist beyond space/time as we know it should no more think 6000 years is a day than it should think 6 billion years are a day.

Otherwise, in essence, they are claiming that God is NOT eternal.

This is but one of many reasons why a literal reading of the Bible not only lacks evidence and is untenable with reality, but suffers from a total lack of logic.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#15 Jun 13, 2011
>>>Kan49
There seems to be a LARGE gap between the billions of years (evolutionists believe) and around 7,000 years (creationists). This debate about the age of the earth seems to be a heated one.

>>>Gillette
Yes, the creationists are DEAD WRONG.

And there is NO DEBATE within the walls of science about the age of the earth. The only debate is in some fundamentalist Christian churches, by people who are ignorant, uneducated and do not understand the science.

The earth is 4.54 billion years old.

>>>Kan49
The 7,000 years time frame goes along with what the Bible says happened in history.

>>>Gillette
Nonsense. A man named Bishop Ussher, an Irishman in the 1800's, simply added up all of the average ages in the Bible OT lineages (the begats, etc.) and came up with 6000 or so years. It really that simple and that STUPID an idea!

>>>Kan49
For evolutionists they need billions of years for creatures to evolve into the forms they are now.

>>>Gillette
And that is what science shows in the rocks and the geological record. The earth is 4.54 billion years old.

>>>Kan49
This is because science can not prove evolution. In pure science (physics, chemistry, biology, ect.): evidence must be observable and measurable, and the experiment itself must be repeatable. No one has ever been able to observe evolution.

>>>Gillette
Evolution had been observed in the lab and in the field.

Plus, the scientific method you describe above is applied to the EVIDENCE LEFT BEHIND by evolution in the fossil record and the DNA genome. Ever herd of forensic science (the OJ Simpson trial and the CSI tv shows)? It works the same way.

>>>Kan49
Even the smartest scientist with the most high tech equipment have not been able to figure it out. No one has found the “mixture of chemicals” to reproduce a life form.

>>>Gillette
You've obviously been told a lot of lies here by your pastors and bible teachers. You need to read some real SCIENCE BOOKS.

>>>Kan49
In order for evolutionary scientists to demonstrate that simple life forms have changed into more complex life forms over time, they must demonstrate it historically by producing examples of such changes, often referred to as “transitional” forms. If evolution has been taking place for millions of year then there should be lots of transitional forms. With that said these transitional forms fossils should be in order in the layers of rocks. However, this is not what is being discovered. The evidence is in the fossil record.

>>>>Gillette
There are PLENTY of transitional fossils. Check out these links:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitio...
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.h...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fos...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transiti...
http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/talk_origi...

>>>Kan49
Evolution is faith based, you are basing your faith into something that has no prof and says you come from apes.

>>>Gillette
No, evolution is EVIDENCE-BASED -- 150+ years of the fossil record, plus recent DNA genome evidence SOLIDLY PROVES evolution.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#16 Jun 13, 2011
Kan49 wrote:
I just want to write about the age of the earth. To my understanding evolution believes that as time passes things get better and should be evolving into better things.
Well, you can stop right there. Your "understanding" is wrong, so everything you write after this point is wrong as a result.

Maybe if you, oh, I don't know, cracked open a science textbook, or went to a museum of natural history (not affiliated with Ken Ham), or went to your local library and told the nice person behind the desk "I want to learn," you wouldn't be making such a gargantuan laughingstock out of yourself.

You are surely capable of bettering yourself. Now, it's up to you to do it. Do you want to better yourself, or are you content wallowing in your own ignorance?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#17 Jun 13, 2011
Kan49 wrote:
I just want to write about the age of the earth. To my understanding evolution believes that as time passes things get better and should be evolving into better things. However, this does not seem to be the case with the world.
There seems to be a LARGE gap between the billions of years (evolutionists believe) and around 7,000 years (creationists). This debate about the age of the earth seems to be a heated one. Having the age of the earth on your side of the debate can make or break your debate. The 7,000 years time frame goes along with what the Bible says happened in history. However, on the evolution side of the debate they need the earth to be billions of years old to back up their theory of how the world came to be. For evolutionists they need billions of years for creatures to evolve into the forms they are now. This is because science can not prove evolution. In pure science (physics, chemistry, biology, ect.): evidence must be observable and measurable, and the experiment itself must be repeatable. No one has ever been able to observe evolution. Even the smartest scientist with the most high tech equipment have not been able to figure it out. No one has found the “mixture of chemicals” to reproduce a life form.
In order for evolutionary scientists to demonstrate that simple life forms have changed into more complex life forms over time, they must demonstrate it historically by producing examples of such changes, often referred to as “transitional” forms. If evolution has been taking place for millions of year then there should be lots of transitional forms. With that said these transitional forms fossils should be in order in the layers of rocks. However, this is not what is being discovered. The evidence is in the fossil record.
So, I believe that the Biblical record of time is correct and that God created the earth. Man did not evolve from apes. Man was created in God image. There is more solid evidence that backs up the God created the earth. Evolution is faith based, you are basing your faith into something that has no prof and says you come from apes.
And, to address your "conclusion," your argument is essentially "I don't understand science because it's hard to learn, and my parents raised me in the Christian faith, therefore the Bible must be true because otherwise my mom and dad lied to me, and I don't think that my mom and dad are liars!"

Why is the Bible correct and the Koran wrong? Why is the Bible correct and the Vedas wrong? Why is the Bible correct and that batshit nonsense the Scientologists believe wrong?

You don't give a justification for why the Bible must be right. You just give a laundry list of ignorant misunderstandings and misrepresentations of science, and then say that because you don't accept that, the Bible is right. Is the Bible the only possible alternative to the mainstream scientific understanding of reality? If not, how did you come to the conclusion that the Bible is true?

Don't for a second interpret this as some sort of acceptance of any of what you said. Your entire post is a litany of ridiculous and pitiably stupid nonsense. I highly recommend you learn science before opening your big retarded yapper about it again.
LGK

Market Drayton, UK

#18 Jun 13, 2011
The people & dare I say all of them, supporting billions of years have NOT studied the evidence against for themselves. They are what I'll call repeaters. They were told Earth is billions of years, there’s lots of evidence, everyone knows etc & they believed it. Now they just repeat it as if if it's actually true. They never answer a specific challenge with specific facts & their ignorance forces them to resort to sound bites & pasting webpages they never read.

Here is some of the evidence, not sound bites, against billions of years:

• C-14 should not exist in once living things that are >100 000 years old yet its the rule, not the exception.

• Radio-metric dating gives the maximum, not the actual age. When used on samples of known age it gives wild results e.g. bns of years for things whose origin has been observed in 1 generation.

• Radio-metric dating is based on unprovable assumptions taken on FAITH. Repeaters have been conditioned into believing faith only applies to religion. Consequently they are incapable of seeing it in science.

That’s just the half of it but to prove something wrong doesn’t take 100s of examples (again that today’s “scientists” don’t know this), ONE good one will do. C-14, to anyone who understands the problem & not just a repeater, kills off exposes the billions of years. Old Earth is pure FICTION.

Unlike repeaters aka Sheeple, I have read things for myself. I am talking from knowledge, not programming. I can think for myself which some people find offensive. Tough.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#19 Jun 13, 2011
LGK wrote:
The people & dare I say all of them, supporting billions of years have NOT studied the evidence against for themselves. They are what I'll call repeaters. They were told Earth is billions of years, there’s lots of evidence, everyone knows etc & they believed it. Now they just repeat it as if if it's actually true. They never answer a specific challenge with specific facts & their ignorance forces them to resort to sound bites & pasting webpages they never read.
Here is some of the evidence, not sound bites, against billions of years:
• C-14 should not exist in once living things that are >100 000 years old yet its the rule, not the exception.
• Radio-metric dating gives the maximum, not the actual age. When used on samples of known age it gives wild results e.g. bns of years for things whose origin has been observed in 1 generation.
• Radio-metric dating is based on unprovable assumptions taken on FAITH. Repeaters have been conditioned into believing faith only applies to religion. Consequently they are incapable of seeing it in science.
That’s just the half of it but to prove something wrong doesn’t take 100s of examples (again that today’s “scientists” don’t know this), ONE good one will do. C-14, to anyone who understands the problem & not just a repeater, kills off exposes the billions of years. Old Earth is pure FICTION.
Unlike repeaters aka Sheeple, I have read things for myself. I am talking from knowledge, not programming. I can think for myself which some people find offensive. Tough.
I agree. The Earth IS flat, it's the center of the universe, and the Sun goes around the Earth. Bible says it, Bible's always right, therefore it's fact. We finally agree on something.
LGK

Market Drayton, UK

#20 Jun 13, 2011
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. The Earth IS flat, it's the center of the universe, and the Sun goes around the Earth. Bible says it, Bible's always right, therefore it's fact. We finally agree on something.
Ha ha ha the earth is flat. Changing the topic is an old trick, please try another one. This is not about the shape of the earth, it’s about the age.

C-14 shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the earth cannot be >100 000 years old. You can mock any religion as much you like, it won’t change the facts. It’s C-14 that counts (excuse the pun) & I put it to you that you cannot deal with it, flat earth - my foot.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#21 Jun 13, 2011
LGK wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha ha the earth is flat. Changing the topic is an old trick, please try another one. This is not about the shape of the earth, it’s about the age.
C-14 shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the earth cannot be >100 000 years old. You can mock any religion as much you like, it won’t change the facts. It’s C-14 that counts (excuse the pun) & I put it to you that you cannot deal with it, flat earth - my foot.
Oh, I see. You use your astounding ignorance of science, bolstered by the Discovery Institute and other liars who know you don't know any better and know you won't check their "facts," as a justification for saying that everything we know is wrong.

Well, since you know so much about geology, why don't you remind us where you got your Ph.D in geology?

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