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The debate over origin of life, origin of the universe, origin of existence will linger on forever. I think what needs to be understood is why naturalists believe what they believe and why creationists believe what they believe, then move on together. The argument for evolution is strong. The argument for creation is somewhat weak. I tend to understand why the natural approach seems to be the only plausible explanation. However, when you go down the natural road, you always end up at the point where you have to pull yourself out and say, my gosh, the odds are incredible that any of this happened at all. It's like one person buying a lotto ticket each week, and winning every time. It's possible, but at some point you might suggest "insider" rigging. My mind does not rest at any point. I want to know what caused the big bang and subsequent inflation of the universe. What was before that? What is beyond our universe? What are expanding in to? There is no beginning or end to nothingness. Wtf??? My brain then usually misfires a couple of times and then am at a loss. I completely understand why people reach for an intelligent "force" out there, something that would explain the order to it all, give a purpose to everything. However, we must find common ground with each other. For a believer, namely a Christian believer, you are taught above all else to love one another as yourself, live that way. Judge not, or you will be judged. If people of religious foundations truly followed the correct teachings, life would be much more tolerable for everyone. Atheist, agnostic, naturalists, you should also give fellow humans the basic respect of free will. Let each other believe or practice whatever they so choose. Christians, realize that you are following a book of "magic" and believe in ghosts and goblins. That's what it's all about, the supernatural, the unexplainable, the impossible, realize that to someone who does not believe it, it sounds like foolishness. Accept that fact, hold on to your beliefs, but realize not everyone is going to jump on board without serious reservations. In conclusion, scientists, go full throttle, find cures for diseases, find out as much as you can about our planet, our solar system, our universe. Christians, Jews, Muslims, and anywhere in between, hold on to your beliefs, feed the poor, help the needy, give the tired and weary a place to rest, and above all, love one another.
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Jsk4301 wrote:
The debate over origin of life, origin of the universe, origin of existence will linger on forever. I think what needs to be understood is why naturalists believe what they believe and why creationists believe what they believe, then move on together. The argument for evolution is strong. The argument for creation is somewhat weak. I tend to understand why the natural approach seems to be the only plausible explanation. However, when you go down the natural road, you always end up at the point where you have to pull yourself out and say, my gosh, the odds are incredible that any of this happened at all. It's like one person buying a lotto ticket each week, and winning every time. It's possible, but at some point you might suggest "insider" rigging. My mind does not rest at any point. I want to know what caused the big bang and subsequent inflation of the universe. What was before that? What is beyond our universe? What are expanding in to? There is no beginning or end to nothingness. Wtf??? My brain then usually misfires a couple of times and then am at a loss. I completely understand why people reach for an intelligent "force" out there, something that would explain the order to it all, give a purpose to everything. However, we must find common ground with each other. For a believer, namely a Christian believer, you are taught above all else to love one another as yourself, live that way. Judge not, or you will be judged. If people of religious foundations truly followed the correct teachings, life would be much more tolerable for everyone. Atheist, agnostic, naturalists, you should also give fellow humans the basic respect of free will. Let each other believe or practice whatever they so choose. Christians, realize that you are following a book of "magic" and believe in ghosts and goblins. That's what it's all about, the supernatural, the unexplainable, the impossible, realize that to someone who does not believe it, it sounds like foolishness. Accept that fact, hold on to your beliefs, but realize not everyone is going to jump on board without serious reservations. In conclusion, scientists, go full throttle, find cures for diseases, find out as much as you can about our planet, our solar system, our universe. Christians, Jews, Muslims, and anywhere in between, hold on to your beliefs, feed the poor, help the needy, give the tired and weary a place to rest, and above all, love one another.
Yes, Christians do follow these charitable methods more than most others. Some Christians do not have a problem with natural forces reproducing life on earth. The belief that the heavens and the earth were fully formed by a miracle in the beginning is common and then natural forces began working by design.
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Agreed. I applaud the efforts...that is where religion will always score points.
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Jsk4301 wrote:
For a believer, namely a Christian believer, you are taught above all else to love one another as yourself, live that way.
And that's the crux right there, ain't it?

For fundies,(not Christians in general but fundies of ANY religion in particular) they are taught to convert that which is not like them and hate any who will not comply.
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Atheist, agnostic, naturalists, you should also give fellow humans the basic respect of free will. Let each other believe or practice whatever they so choose.
But fundies don't respect free will. They will not allow other people's kids to come to their own decision as to whether or not they want to be a Muslim or Christian or atheist. That's why they illegally push creationism into public schools. And have done so for DECADES. And that is why atheists, agnostics and naturalists object. Otherwise they'd have no problem.

(Unless we're talking about fundie atheists like our very own buddy Skippy the Skeptic)

If everyone can just be happy keeping their beliefs to themselves and their own families and their own places of worship then we'd finally have the happy hippy paradise you're hoping for.

Unfortunately fundamentalism is a real thing.
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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Christians do follow these charitable methods more than most others.
Pity there's so few in the world.
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The Dude wrote:
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And that's the crux right there, ain't it?
For fundies,(not Christians in general but fundies of ANY religion in particular) they are taught to convert that which is not like them and hate any who will not comply.
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But fundies don't respect free will. They will not allow other people's kids to come to their own decision as to whether or not they want to be a Muslim or Christian or atheist. That's why they illegally push creationism into public schools. And have done so for DECADES. And that is why atheists, agnostics and naturalists object. Otherwise they'd have no problem.
(Unless we're talking about fundie atheists like our very own buddy Skippy the Skeptic)
If everyone can just be happy keeping their beliefs to themselves and their own families and their own places of worship then we'd finally have the happy hippy paradise you're hoping for.
Unfortunately fundamentalism is a real thing.
I guess that makes you a "fundie" because it describe you and your ilk to a tee .......hee hee

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DarwinPaul wrote:
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I guess that makes you a "fundie" because it describe you and your ilk to a tee .......hee hee
That's some bad weed you're smoking there Paulie, better get another supplier...
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DarwinPaul wrote:
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I guess that makes you a "fundie" because it describe you and your ilk to a tee .......hee hee
Projection. I see you're still incapable of articulating your objections other than trolling.
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Projection. I see you're still incapable of articulating your objections other than trolling.
Typical, you make a pronouncement declaring victory without any basis at all. As for objections I was making an observation and a true one at that. I wasn't making an objection at all. Of course I can't expect someone like you to understand that since you live in a fantasy world of magic evolution as you await the next evolutionary 180 degree about face in the theory and always call it correct. Obedience at a level that's no different than a dog listening to his masters voice.
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Pity there's so few in the world.
Yes Dudey, but I am told there are millions of Christians alive on earth today. Maybe you haven't met a lot of them, but I have talked to some.
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Mar 4, 2014
 
Jesus is the prince of peace and love. We see his love in action when we pass by a little lady standing out by a red kettle ringing a bell hoping to get your attention. Charitable organizations such as the Salvation Army and the Red Cross are good examples of Christian founded organizations, who have helped untold multitudes throughout their existence.
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DarwinPaul wrote:
Typical, you make a pronouncement declaring victory without any basis at all.
Irony meter go boom.
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As for objections I was making an observation and a true one at that.
Except I am against fundamentalism.
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I wasn't making an objection at all.
You object to scientific reality. As noted here:
DarwinPaul wrote:
Of course I can't expect someone like you to understand that since you live in a fantasy world of magic evolution as you await the next evolutionary 180 degree about face in the theory and always call it correct. Obedience at a level that's no different than a dog listening to his masters voice.
Of course you're gonna show how evolutionary biology was falsified any day now, right?

Still waiting.
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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes Dudey, but I am told there are millions of Christians alive on earth today. Maybe you haven't met a lot of them, but I have talked to some.
Perhaps that may be true, but as you are here .. others are also lousy examples. Can I get a witness?

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
Jesus is the prince of peace and love. We see his love in action when we pass by a little lady standing out by a red kettle ringing a bell hoping to get your attention. Charitable organizations such as the Salvation Army and the Red Cross are good examples of Christian founded organizations, who have helped untold multitudes throughout their existence.
Buddhists are famously charitable and they do not even believe in God.

So, perhaps charity does not derive from belief in God, but some other impulse?

Why do you think a person needs to believe in God to feel compassion?
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I've known more heathens that were kinder than some of the Christians.
I was under the impression Christians weren't to be so easily offended but when we read their responses out here ... well it's a no wonder why folks don't have a desire to be one of them. j/s

Peace, wouldn't it be grand more often.
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Buddhists are famously charitable and they do not even believe in God.
So, perhaps charity does not derive from belief in God, but some other impulse?
Why do you think a person needs to believe in God to feel compassion?
If an organization helps the needy even when they are not of their religion, then this is true charity. Jesus taught compassion and you will find a lot more Christian charities helping all sorts of people more than most other religions.
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Mar 19, 2014
 
I wish they would have this titled thread throughout all the forums.
I would expect more from Christians, but I know we are only human.
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I wish they would have this titled thread throughout all the forums.
I'm glad they didn't. Spam upsets the kittens.

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Lol

Peace :-)

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Mar 20, 2014
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>If an organization helps the needy even when they are not of their religion, then this is true charity. Jesus taught compassion and you will find a lot more Christian charities helping all sorts of people more than most other religions.
Buddhists also believe that charity should go to anyone who needs help, not just to Buddhists (and even, not just to humans). However, there are about 400 million Buddhists and 2 billion Christians.

And Christians lately have tended to be the rich ones (only in the last 3-400 years mind you, and before that Christendom was a minor backwater that would have collapsed by now if not for the Enlightenment), then I would expect to see far more visible Christian than Buddhist charity all things considered.

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