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MIDutch

Hartford, MI

#162 May 9, 2008
Steve wrote:
I can't wait to see this movie. I'veloved Ben Stein Ever since Win Ben Steins Money(A really cool show) The movie sounds so awesome especially to a christian like me. What Amazing timing for such a cool movie to come out. Dawinism is a LIE Bible Truth! Bring back intelligent design in schools, let the truth be known!
Mr. Steve, "bring back"? Was "intelligent design" ever IN the schools? How would one "bring back" something that "never was"?

Further, supposedly, "ID" is NOT a religious concept. It, supposedly, has NOTHING to do with Christianity. Why would a "christian" like you find it "awesome"?
The Dude

London, UK

#163 May 9, 2008
legomania100

>>>"The theory of evolution states that all life came from none life without the help of an all-powerful God, and that this occurance of abiogenesis occured several billion years ago."

Wrong in your first sentence. Congrats!(ahem) Stick to Lego.

Steve

>>>"Dawinism is a LIE Bible Truth! Bring back intelligent design in schools, let the truth be known! "

But Intelligent Design isn't about religion, nope! Nosiree-bob. It's just them lying atheist Darwinists who say it is!

Uh, right?
haha

Canada

#164 May 10, 2008
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
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It's nothing but a pack of lies-- it's main idea is that Hitler was inspired by evolution, and that evolution caused WW2.
Ludicrous...
Well, I wanted to watch the movie for entertainment value. There IS a demand for it and it should be in theatres.
If a piece of crap like "Passion of the christ was in theatres, why not this?"
For what is it worth, Hitler WAS inspired by the theory of evolution and so were several of the leading Nazi's. That does not mean Hitler was RIGHT nor that the theory of evolution (a solidly established theory)
haha

Canada

#165 May 10, 2008
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
...Everyone knows that Hitler was a self-professed christian....
You mean EVERYONE like for example Albert Speer, the minister of war, his chief archetect and one of the people who was pretty well with him when he died?

That is a HALF truth. Read Mein Kampf sometime and read Speer's book.

Hitler made EXTENSIVE use of the Catholic church as part of his "propaganda" machine in indeed ORDERED some leading Nazi's to remain within that church BUT ... he was NOT a believer, and FREQUENTLY made "PRIVATE" tirades against the churhc and Christianity.

Get your facts straight.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Level 2

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#166 May 10, 2008
haha wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean EVERYONE like for example Albert Speer, the minister of war, his chief archetect and one of the people who was pretty well with him when he died?
That is a HALF truth. Read Mein Kampf sometime and read Speer's book.
Hitler made EXTENSIVE use of the Catholic church as part of his "propaganda" machine in indeed ORDERED some leading Nazi's to remain within that church BUT ... he was NOT a believer, and FREQUENTLY made "PRIVATE" tirades against the churhc and Christianity.
Get your facts straight.
Facts? Hitler had "god is with us" as part of the military motto/emblems.

He may have hated Catholics, but he thought he was doing the Christian god's work-- sure, he was deluded, but he THOUGHT he was doing right/good.

That is the problem with faith-- since there's zero objective proof of it's truth, there is no reference point to measure it against.

Little or no way to recognize when faith has gone off track-- to those who are immersed in it's belief.

Obviously to an outsider, faith that is "off track" is easy to spot.

But, Hitler THOUGHT he was a Christian.

And, according to the "rules" he was-- for those "rules" are nebulous at best.

Again-- another major problem with faith-based outlooks.
Scooter in Canada

Halifax, Canada

#167 May 13, 2008
I'm looking forward to seeing "Expelled" myself. I can't seem to find it in Canada near me - I might have to end up renting it I guess. I've always found it strange that Dawkins refuses to debate creationists. If you are so sure of your arguments, then do one massive televised public debate - blast the other side out of the water by the sheer overwhelming logic of your case. But he refuses to do that. So I'll be interested to see how his arguments look when an intelligent guy like Stein questions him. Stein of course - is not a Christian. Just a bright guy who believes the universe shows intelligent order. Should be interesting to watch.
The Dude

London, UK

#168 May 13, 2008
Dawkins refuses to debate creationists because

1 - It gives the appearance to your average Joe that Creationism may have some validity when it doesn't.

2 - The Creo's have already tricked him once before in an interview. He was asked something stupid in the interview which made him pause, then when the actual vid came out, it was edited so that we heard a different question was asked.

By the same token, why don't creationists ever do any science? After all, a public "debate" is not how science is decided anyway, nor is it done by making propaganda movies - work has to be done in science labs and then papers submitted for peer-review.

I agree, Stein is smart - he's just going after the money.
Zeke

Amherst, Canada

#169 May 14, 2008
After reading this thread I take some comfort in the fact that there seems to be relatively little demand for "Expelled" here in Canada.

Probably not enough to warrant a theatre run.

And it's looking like a DVD release will not be in the offing until the copyright infringement issues are settled.

God's Country is spared once again!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Level 2

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#170 May 18, 2008
Bump.
Matt

Langley, Canada

#171 Jun 9, 2008
the atheists in this movie said what they said, and their rebuttle is "we didn't know the title of the movie". thats suppose make this movie fraudulent? give me a break....the producers could of done a documentary without even including atheist and just did one side of the story, but they chose to do both and let atheists speak for themselves. its not the producers fault if the atheists sound wrong or stupid or whatever it is you think the problem is. I cant wait to go see this movie!!
Steve

Ottawa, Canada

#172 Jun 9, 2008
Reply to MIDutch
ID has everything to do with religion. It is Man's theory vs the book of Genesis. The bible states that God created man as he is today. God created man in his own image and likeness. As for Id in schools, i'm sure that when the catolics controlled all the schools that evolution was not thought and the bible version was standard.
As a born again christian, there is no way that anyone can convince me otherwise, I stand by the bible 100%.
Steve

Ottawa, Canada

#173 Jun 9, 2008
The Book of Genesis
Chapter 1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Steve

Ottawa, Canada

#174 Jun 9, 2008
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
The Dude

London, UK

#175 Jun 10, 2008
>>>"ID has everything to do with religion. It is Man's theory vs the book of Genesis"

BINGO! That means ID gets thrown out of science class, but you win a free ticket to heaven - and a cookie.

The best part is that fundies are simply far too stupid to understand why ID gets rejected. Hey, Steve, would you be able to repeat that line every time IDCreationism ends up in court for us? It would be most helpful. Thanks very much.
Kevin S

Houston, TX

#176 Jun 10, 2008
Matt wrote:
the atheists in this movie said what they said, and their rebuttle is "we didn't know the title of the movie". thats suppose make this movie fraudulent? give me a break....the producers could of done a documentary without even including atheist and just did one side of the story, but they chose to do both and let atheists speak for themselves. its not the producers fault if the atheists sound wrong or stupid or whatever it is you think the problem is. I cant wait to go see this movie!!
Matt, the producers claimed that the movie was about the intersection of religion and science in modern society or something to that affect. That's a completely different topic than the current movie is on. If I interviewed you for a movie about, say, the potential religious aspects of ID and its potential affect on society... but then made a movie about the utter lack of scientific support for ID and had you spouting off about how well ID ties in with the bible and how ID could be used as a tool for bringing God back into the public forum... Well you'd look like a complete idiot too. And that's if I'm nice and interview you about something vaguely related. I could just interview you about cheeseburgers and dub new questions over the actual audio.

Bottom line is is you're making an up and up documentary, even a political or polemical piece, you should be upfront about your subject and give your interview a fair chance to defend himself if you're going to be making accusations. It's possible to ask the right questions in the right way to get answers pertinent to your actual subject, whilst still remaining cloaked in your fake subject, but it's going to be incredibly difficult. Mostly, you're just going to end up with people talking about cheeseburgers.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Level 2

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177 Jun 18, 2008
Steve wrote:
As a born again christian, there is no way that anyone can convince me otherwise, I stand by the bible 100%.
Yesss.

You've carefully removed ANY vestiges of rational thinking from your brain.

Better watch out--- you're liable to start growing wool and baaaa-ing like the non-thinking sheep you so closely resemble...
John boe

Toronto, Canada

#178 Apr 14, 2009
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