Aliens and evolution

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DENTON, Texas, June 19, 2012 - Aliens are ingrained in our cultural psyche. They abound in books, movies, radio, and a thousand theories about the extra-terrestrial, little green men, UFO sightings, abductions, Area 51, and Roswell.

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Lincoln

United States

#5846 Mar 17, 2013
MaxLeCaine wrote:
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Science is silent on the existence of elves too. Science does not try to prove or disprove a god (or elves). I think that silence should in itself be an indicator.
And with "freedom of speech" they teach what they like in public schools.
Called Academic Freedom.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5847 Mar 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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And with "freedom of speech" they teach what they like in public schools.
Called Academic Freedom.
Actually that's false. You can't teach that the Jewish holocaust is a myth. You can't teach that the Earth is flat. You can't teach that evolution is wrong because an invisible wizard did things differently. You can in a private school since public taxes is not paying for it and the Government is not providing your paycheque. But in public schools freedom of speech is put on hold while on the Government's time.

You are of course free to hire a hall in your free time and teach all the batshit BS you want till the cows come home should anyone be willing to listen.
Lincoln

United States

#5848 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually that's false. You can't teach that the Jewish holocaust is a myth. You can't teach that the Earth is flat. You can't teach that evolution is wrong because an invisible wizard did things differently. You can in a private school since public taxes is not paying for it and the Government is not providing your paycheque. But in public schools freedom of speech is put on hold while on the Government's time.
You are of course free to hire a hall in your free time and teach all the batshit BS you want till the cows come home should anyone be willing to listen.
"The Free Exercise Clause.." of the First amendment seems the loophole used.
You make a good speech but seem unaware of reality of prayer in Public Schools.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#5849 Mar 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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"The Free Exercise Clause.." of the First amendment seems the loophole used.
You make a good speech but seem unaware of reality of prayer in Public Schools.
It appears that Dude is more aware of US law than you.
The 'law' is not opposed to prayer in public schools initiated and run by students, but teachers and school administrators are not allowed to participate by law.

That *IS* the reality, according to federal law.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Redding, CA

#5850 Mar 17, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>It appears that Dude is more aware of US law than you.
The 'law' is not opposed to prayer in public schools initiated and run by students, but teachers and school administrators are not allowed to participate by law.

That *IS* the reality, according to federal law.
Sure, tell that to the ACLU.
Lincoln

United States

#5851 Mar 17, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
It appears that Dude is more aware of US law than you.
The 'law' is not opposed to prayer in public schools initiated and run by students, but teachers and school administrators are not allowed to participate by law.
That *IS* the reality, according to federal law.
"The Dude Abides" :-)

They are breaking law.
No Question about it.
Christian Teachers ignoring the law.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#5852 Mar 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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"The Free Exercise Clause.." of the First amendment seems the loophole used.
You make a good speech but seem unaware of reality of prayer in Public Schools.
The reality is that there is prayer in school, but that forcing students to participate or making it a central part of any all inclusive event is unfair to students of religions different than that of the majority.

I put it to you that the defenders of "prayer in school" would lose their sh1t if they found out that their son/daughter was being forced to sit through (or worse participate in) a prayer to Vishnu.
Lincoln

United States

#5853 Mar 17, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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The reality is that there is prayer in school, but that forcing students to participate or making it a central part of any all inclusive event is unfair to students of religions different than that of the majority.
I put it to you that the defenders of "prayer in school" would lose their sh1t if they found out that their son/daughter was being forced to sit through (or worse participate in) a prayer to Vishnu.
65% of adults polled favor a return to prayer in public schools. Would like to know how the question was phrased.
Many Christian teachers believe that God is behind evolution, ID.
Significant number of Christian ministers are also public school teachers.

“There are other issues.”

Level 1

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#5854 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Creationists are stupid.(shrug)
Yet many so called creationist run the US. Many creationist are in our senate and is our president. I bet they're smarter than you.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5855 Mar 17, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I access it through the evo forum, cwnt.
BTW, somebody oughta tell you that you look horrid in purple.
http://www.spin.com/sites/all/files/styles/st...
Oh yeah, and those cheap wigs do nothing for your appearance either, fruit fly.
So as usual, you have no actual response. That figures, but hey, you get to take shots at me. I on the other hand will respond to all points made, and dump your pile of feces right back on you.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#5856 Mar 18, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
You've heard creations use the argument "there is no evidence for god" to explain the existence of God?
Try to read the whole post and look at the context. Grey box jimmy wrote: "alien life is possible and we are the evidence. there is no evidence of god at all[.]" Creationist say God's existence is possible and we are the evidence. Also note, there is no evidence of alien life on any explored world.

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Nuggin wrote:
Life exists. That's a fact. Extrapolating from that, it's possible that life can exist somewhere else.
Sure, it's possible dragons and elves exist too; there's just no evidence.

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Nuggin wrote:
There is not "magical Jewish Wizard" from which to extrapolate other extra-dimensional Jewish Wizards.
There's a difference between faith and science.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Level 2

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#5857 Mar 18, 2013
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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Sure, tell that to the ACLU.
The ACLU acts nearly as often to protect free exercise of religion as it does to limit prayer. The line is drawn when not all participation is voluntary. Students can lead prayers among themselves in groups gathered for that purpose, for instance, but not for the general student body of the general public. From the ACLU:

Religion and Schools

One of the most hotly debated - and most frequently misunderstood - concerns involving religion in America is the issue of prayer in school. Ever since the Supreme Court held school-sponsored prayer unconstitutional in the early 1960s, there has been a concerted and well-funded campaign to reintroduce religion in public schools. Public schools themselves should not be in the business of promoting particular religious beliefs or religious activities and they should protect children from being coerced by others to accept religious (or anti-religious) beliefs.

At the same time, studentsí rights of religious exercise and expression cannot be ignored. There are times when religion at school is appropriate. Studentsí rights to pray voluntarily and express themselves religiously are intrinsically important.

The ACLU works to protect public school studentsí religious freedom by curbing the practice of school-sponsored religion and ensuring that students may freely express and exercise their faith. We also defend students' free speech rights in the public schools and students' rights to pray in the schools. Additionally, whenever a teacher allows children to choose their own topics for an assignment (such as which book to read or which topic to study for a presentation), students may choose religious themes and the ACLU has protected their right to do so.

Children's religious education should be directed primarily by parents, families, and religious communities, not the public schools.

http://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/religion-...

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5858 Mar 18, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Atheists-
"a person who feels that someone, somehow, somewhere, believes in God and it is their mission in life to correct this situation."
Science is silent on the existence of God
And we strive to fulfill that goal by posting solely in atheist threads on the Atheism forum, where we are sure to be assailed by countless religitards intent on smearing us with their best insults, which unfortunately always look like fecal matter, and are completely devoid of relevant content.

And even they, with their minute ability to comprehend, do realize that the sciences make no comment on the imaginary.
Lincoln

United States

#5859 Mar 18, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>And we strive to fulfill that goal by posting solely in atheist threads on the Atheism forum, where we are sure to be assailed by countless religitards intent on smearing us with their best insults, which unfortunately always look like fecal matter, and are completely devoid of relevant content.
And even they, with their minute ability to comprehend, dorealize that the sciences make no comment on the imaginary.
Former Roman Catholics who have become atheists seem different than other atheists.
I respect atheists until they start the god-bot, jewsus and God with small g.
Metaphysical speculation regarding the existence of God is not going to end in proof.
There are limits as to what can be known. Is there an afterlife, an intriguing question discussed in public schools.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5860 Mar 18, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Former Roman Catholics who have become atheists seem different than other atheists.
I respect atheists until they start the god-bot, jewsus and God with small g.
Metaphysical speculation regarding the existence of God is not going to end in proof.
There are limits as to what can be known. Is there an afterlife, an intriguing question discussed in public schools.
(To remind you of the post which I was responding to >>>> Lincoln <quoted text>
"Atheists-
"a person who feels that someone, somehow, somewhere, believes in God and it is their mission in life to correct this situation.".

Science is silent on the existence of God" )

RP wrote: You are claiming respect, now are you? Delusional plays out on your side of the fence, not ours.
Lincoln

United States

#5861 Mar 18, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>(To remind you of the post which I was responding to >>>> Lincoln <quoted text>
"Atheists-
"a person who feels that someone, somehow, somewhere, believes in God and it is their mission in life to correct this situation.".
Science is silent on the existence of God" )
RP wrote: You are claiming respect, now are you? Delusional plays out on your side of the fence, not ours.
Never confused Topix with Harvard class in philosoph.

Variation of a quote by H L Mencken:
"a person who feels that someone, somehow, somewhere, believes in God and it is their mission in life to correct this situation.".

"Science is silent on the existence of God"

Respect is an illusion ;-)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5862 Mar 18, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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65% of adults polled favor a return to prayer in public schools. Would like to know how the question was phrased.
Many Christian teachers believe that God is behind evolution, ID.
Significant number of Christian ministers are also public school teachers.
And none of which is relevant to either:

Science education in public school science classes, which are NOT allowed to teach IDC.

Or teachers leading students into prayer, which they are NOT allowed to do. Kids can pray during breaks and lunchtimes or whenever they don't have to do any school work, and teachers can pray during the same periods in the staff room or anywhere else the kids don't go.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5863 Mar 18, 2013
Educated What wrote:
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Yet many so called creationist run the US. Many creationist are in our senate and is our president. I bet they're smarter than you.
Yes, they're smarter than me on lying because they are better at lying.

And I am smarter than them on science because I am better at science.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5864 Mar 18, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Try to read the whole post and look at the context. Grey box jimmy wrote: "alien life is possible and we are the evidence. there is no evidence of god at all[.]" Creationist say God's existence is possible and we are the evidence. Also note, there is no evidence of alien life on any explored world.
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<quoted text>Sure, it's possible dragons and elves exist too; there's just no evidence.
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<quoted text>There's a difference between faith and science.
Aliens, dragons and elves all beat "God" in the scientific arena since they are potentially falsifiable concepts. So far no-one has been able to come up with a falsifiable hypothesis for a God.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5865 Mar 18, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Former Roman Catholics who have become atheists seem different than other atheists.
I respect atheists until they start the god-bot, jewsus and God with small g.
Metaphysical speculation regarding the existence of God is not going to end in proof.
There are limits as to what can be known. Is there an afterlife, an intriguing question discussed in public schools.
Maybe it would be, if it weren't for the fact that too many fundies have a bad habit of taking advantage of such classes and use them as preaching platforms. Hence kids can explore it anywhere out of school. Or even discuss it with all the other kids in the playground.

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