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Romney is no different. Obamacare is based on Romneycare
That's why Romney will win, he's a better politician than Obama.

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Nov 2, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's why Romney will win, he's a better politician than Obama.
Truer words have never been said...he is the penultimate politician and he will and does say anything to get elected. Who even knows what this man stands for or truly believes anymore. His changing position as stated on "Meet the Press" several weeks ago on the Affordable Care Act:

Mitt Romney said Sunday that he would retain elements of President Obama’s health care overhaul, blamed Republicans as much as Democrats for the “mistake” of agreeing to automatic cuts in military spending to avoid a fiscal crisis and acknowledged that Mr. Obama’s national security strategy has made America in “some ways safer.”[...]

When the show’s host, David Gregory, asked Mr. Romney what elements of Mr. Obama’s health care program he would maintain, Mr. Romney said he would still require that insurance companies cover those with pre-existing conditions, just as the president’s law has.

“I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform,” Mr. Romney said, while emphasizing that he planned to replace the president’s plan with his own.“There are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place. One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage.”

http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/09/10/romney...

Oh and of the storm that has decimated where I live? Let's see..before Sandy... He advocated ending FEMA and making states handle disaster relief on their own, after Sandy..oh of course keep FEMA...uh huh.

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#330
Nov 2, 2012
 
Then there are all these issues he has "changed his position on":

http://romneyflop.com/by-topic/

• Abortion
• About his 47% Comments
• Afghanistan War Withdrawal Timeline
• Auto Bailout
• Bain Capital (When he quit)
• Blind Trusts
• Bush Tax Cuts
• Campaign Finance Reform
• Conservative Credentials
• FEMA
• Food Stamps
• Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendment
• Gay People Serving in the Military
• Global Warming
• Gun Control
• Gun Ownership
• Health Care
• Health Care Mandate (Whether it's a tax)
• Health Care Mandates
• Hiring Undocumented Workers
• Hospital Care for the Uninsured
• Hunting
• Illegal Immigration
• Iraq War
• Martin Luther King
• Medicare
• Minimum Wage
• No Tax Pledge
• NRA
• Ohio Anti-Union Bill
• Osama bin Laden
• Overpaying Taxes
• Poor People
• Releasing Tax Returns
• Repealing All of the Health Care Reform Law
• Roe v. Wade
• Ronald Reagan
• Stem Cell Research
• Stimulus in 2009
• Tax Cuts for the Rich
• Teachers (Number of them)
• Vietnam War Service
• Welfare
• Whether Obama Raised Taxes
• Which Americans Romney Cares About

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#331
Nov 2, 2012
 
How did Sandy treat you, Katy? I know my family in the area did OK. Loss of power for a little while was about it. Though my brother just over the border in Jersey is still without power.

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#332
Nov 2, 2012
 
ALL of these newspapers have endorsed Obama and one of the reasons is the flip-flopping of Romney:

Romney’s Flip-Flopping Cited by Newspaper Endorsements

WIth just 10 days remaining until the election, this week has seen many major newspapers make their endorsements for President. The American Presidency Project keeps a good updated list of endorsements here. We’ve been happy to see that many of the major newspapers that have endorsed President Obama have cited Mitt Romney’s frequent flip-flopping and lack of character as reasons to choose Obama over Romney.

Below are some of the best lines about Romney’s flip-flopping and pandering from these endorsement articles.

From the Pittsburgh Post Gazette:
When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he was known as a moderate. But that man has disappeared and no new shake of the Etch A Sketch can bring him back. Despite this long campaign it’s hard to know what he believes besides the fact that he believes he should be president.

In making his case to be the nominee for his radically more conservative party, Mr. Romney had to pretend to be someone he wasn’t.

From The Salt Lake Tribune:
From his embrace of the party’s radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign:“Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?”

The evidence suggests no clear answer, or at least one that would survive Romney’s next speech or sound bite. Politicians routinely tailor their words to suit an audience. Romney, though, is shameless, lavishing vastly diverse audiences with words, any words, they would trade their votes to hear.

From The Washington Post:
The sad answer is there is no way to know what Mr. Romney really believes. His unguarded expression of contempt for 47 percent of the population seems as sincere as anything else we’ve heard, but that’s only conjecture. At times he has advocated a muscular, John McCain-style foreign policy, but in the final presidential debate he positioned himself as a dove. Before he passionately supported a fetus’s right to life, he supported a woman’s right to abortion. His swings have been dramatic on gay rights, gun rights, health care, climate change and immigration. His ugly embrace of “self-deportation” during the Republican primary campaign, and his demolition of a primary opponent, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, for having left open a door of opportunity for illegal-immigrant children, bespeaks a willingness to say just about anything to win. Every politician changes his mind sometimes; you’d worry if not. But rarely has a politician gotten so far with only one evident immutable belief: his conviction in his own fitness for higher office.

From The Miami Herald:
But for Mr. Romney, the problem goes deeper, raising doubts about what he stands for and what he believes.
He has taken so many contradictory positions on important issues — abortion, immigration, even Obamacare (first he said he would repeal it; then he said he would keep the parts most people like)— that he could take any action he chooses once in office and claim that it fulfills a campaign promise he made at one point or another. He has run on his record, and he has run from his record.

From The Kansas City Star:
We have no clue which Romney he would become as a president. Would the nation get the Massachusetts, pro-health-care-for-all, rather moderate model? Or the hard-right, tea party panderer of the primaries, who sought dubious immigration policy advice from Kansas’ Kris Kobach, an alienator of national proportions? Or the new, improved, peace-loving final debate version?…
In too many ways, Romney resembles a slick salesman, willing to fudge and say anything to close the deal. It’s no deal for us.

http://romneyflop.com/romneys-flip-flopping-c...

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Then there are all these issues he has "changed his position on":
Then there the recent flurry of complete bullshit ads such as Chrysler moving Jeep production to China.

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Nov 2, 2012
 
From The Philadelphia Inquirer:
As president, would he be the man who said he can’t be concerned about the 47 percent of Americans too poor to pay federal income taxes, or the one who days later apologized for saying that?

It’s hard to tell because the Massachusetts moderate who fashioned the precursor to Obamacare has reinvented himself as a right-leaning father figure for tea-party patron Paul Ryan, his Ayn Rand-devotee running mate. Would Romney be more like Ryan as president? Conservatives spending millions on his campaign believe he will. But that’s not what America needs.

America doesn’t need an Etch A Sketch president whose positions change with the type of audience he’s speaking to.

From The New York Times:
Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, has gotten this far with a guile that allows him to say whatever he thinks an audience wants to hear. But he has tied himself to the ultraconservative forces that control the Republican Party and embraced their policies, including reckless budget cuts and 30-year-old, discredited trickle-down ideas. Voters may still be confused about Mr. Romney’s true identity, but they know the Republican Party, and a Romney administration would reflect its agenda. Mr. Romney’s choice of Representative Paul Ryan as his running mate says volumes about that.

From the Minneapolis Star Tribune:
Republican standard-bearer Mitt Romney spent months and millions renouncing the relatively moderate record he compiled as governor of Massachusetts. Despite his move toward the center since winning the nomination, Romney’s chameleon tendencies – coupled with an economic plan that lacks credibility — have left us with too many doubts about how he would lead the nation…

The moderate Romney who reemerged after the convention is more congenial than the Tea Party fellow traveler who won nomination. But who can be certain which Romney will appear next? How can any American be sure where he stands on gay rights, immigration, climate change, reproductive rights and investment in education?

From the Los Angeles Times:
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, has demonstrated clearly that he’s the wrong choice. He’s wrong on the issues, from immigration to tax policy to the use of American power to gay rights and beyond. And his shifting positions and willingness to pander have raised questions about who he is and what he stands for…

The most troubling aspect of Romney’s candidacy is that we still don’t know what his principles are. Is he the relatively moderate Republican who was governor of Massachusetts, the “severely conservative” one on display in the GOP primaries or the more reasonable-sounding fellow who reappeared at the presidential debates? His modulating positions on his own tax plan, healthcare reform, financial regulation, Medicare, immigration and the national safety net add to the impression that the only thing he really stands for is his own election.

From The Cleveland Plain Dealer:
But which Romney would they elect? The rather liberal one who ran for the Senate in 1994? The pragmatic governor? The sharply conservative candidate of this year’s GOP primaries? The reborn moderate of recent weeks?

All politicians change positions over time — Obama in 2008 shifted his position on health care reform more to the center. But Romney’s frequent changes raise questions about his core principles and make his lack of policy details all the more troubling.

From the Winston-Salem Journal (first Democratic Party endorsement since 1964):
In contrast, we’ve sometimes found it hard in the last few weeks to tell just what Obama’s challenger, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, really stands for…

Romney’s policies — warmed-over trickle-down economics — will make matters worse. We say that with a caveat, however, because Romney’s plans are ever-changing and it is hard to know just where his policies would end and those of the much more conservative Ryan would begin.

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From the Detroit Free Press:
But as a candidate, Romney has been a shape-shifter, his message twisting and reconfiguring itself to fit the needs of the moment…

Even more troubling has been Romney’s about-face performances in the closing weeks of the campaign. He was a hard-liner during the GOP primaries and the convention, but in the debates with Obama, he has been someone almost entirely different —“Moderate Mitt” is the term some pundits have coined. It’s unclear whether Romney is playing for political advantage, or whether he’s just unsure of who he really is. Either is unacceptable in the White House, where the president needs certainty not just about what he believes, but why — and he must be able to rally others to his cause. Romney’s self-ambiguity suggests he’s not ready to be president.

From The Chicago Tribune:
And Mitt Romney? He projects himself as a sure-handed chief executive, a proven leader who solves problems. He has, though, been astonishingly willing to bend his views to the politics of the moment: on abortion, on immigration, on gun laws and, most famously, on health care.

From the San Jose Mercury News:
Romney has been dishonest. It’s not just his changing positions on so many issues; that almost doesn’t matter, since we know his actions will be guided by right-wing ideologues to whom he is beholden. It’s the calculated deception that’s alarming.

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MikeF wrote:
How did Sandy treat you, Katy? I know my family in the area did OK. Loss of power for a little while was about it. Though my brother just over the border in Jersey is still without power.
Hi Mike. Thanks for asking. Loss of power for a while, and many trees down. I don't know how you Floridians do it...this is the first time I can recall a hurricane making landfall here. The winds were just unbelievable. I am more fortunate than most. My friend in NY told me that Con Ed will not be able to restore power till at least November 11. So much devastation.

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MikeF wrote:
How did Sandy treat you, Katy? I know my family in the area did OK. Loss of power for a little while was about it. Though my brother just over the border in Jersey is still without power.
Purported to be the second costliest storm after Katrina...good thing Global Warming/Climate Change is nothing but a hoax huh?(apologies to The Dude and his beloved kittens.)

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Katydid wrote:
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Hi Mike. Thanks for asking. Loss of power for a while, and many trees down. I don't know how you Floridians do it...this is the first time I can recall a hurricane making landfall here. The winds were just unbelievable. I am more fortunate than most. My friend in NY told me that Con Ed will not be able to restore power till at least November 11. So much devastation.
In some respects, we're better prepared for it since it's not an uncommon occurrence here. Plus we're not so mountainous so we don't get creeks and rivers overflowing (from drainage) like your neck of the woods.

Glad you're OK. Just talked to my brother in NJ. Still no power and gas is a *big* issue. Either gas and no electricity to pump it or electricity and no gas to pump.

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Nov 2, 2012
 
Here ya go, Katy. Interesting read:

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/02/joseph_stigli...

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Hurricane Sandy is evidence of storms, it proves nothing about restricting CO2 emissions to mitigate climate change.

We need more production and use of energy and fuel; look to the devastated Eastern Coast for proof; get government out of the way. Repeal intrusive regulation, stop wasteful and government spending and stop raising taxes.

Stop our politicians from trying to mitigate climate; they are responsible for these disasters.

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Nature is greater than politicians; the President visited New Jersey and the power's still out in New York.

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MikeF wrote:
Here ya go, Katy. Interesting read:
http://www.salon.com/2012/11/02/joseph_stigli...
WOW! Thanks, great read. I just re-posted this in several debates I am currently engaged in. This line blew me away (and from a critic of Pres. Obama's):

"the fact is that Romney has many of the same economic advisers that Bush did. Those economic advisers essentially doubled the debt in eight years."

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Nature is greater than politicians; the President visited New Jersey and the power's still out in New York.
Too bad Chris Christie disagrees with you.

“I cannot thank the president enough for his personal concern and compassion for our state,” he added during a brief news conference.

"And for those who missed it, Mr. Christie repeated his praise again and again in television interviews, saying the president had been “outstanding,”“incredibly supportive” and “deserves great credit.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/nyregion/in...

"New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) praised President Obama’s work to help states battered by Hurricane Sandy as “outstanding” Tuesday, but cautioned that the recovery would be a prolonged effort.

Christie, a prominent surrogate for GOP candidate Mitt Romney, said Obama had moved quickly to help designate his state a disaster area to better expedite federal assistance.

“The federal government’s response has been great. I was on the phone at midnight again last night with the president, personally, he has expedited the designation of New Jersey as a major disaster area,” said Christie, in an interview with NBC’s “Today.”

“Last night, I was on the phone with FEMA at 2 a.m. this morning to answer the questions they needed answered to get that designation and the president has been outstanding in this. The folks at FEMA,[Administrator] Craig Fugate and his folks have been excellent,” he continued.

In a separate interview with MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Christie added to the praise, saying that “the president has been all over this and deserves great credit.”'

http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/264747-g...

..and once again Romnesia takes over as Romney distances himself with his plan to abolish FEMA and let the states handle disasters:

"During a CNN debate at the height of the GOP primary, Mitt Romney was asked, in the context of the Joplin disaster and FEMA's cash crunch, whether the agency should be shuttered so that states can individually take over responsibility for disaster response.

"Absolutely," he said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"

"Including disaster relief, though?" debate moderator John King asked Romney.

"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."

http://americablog.com/2012/10/nyt-romney-abo...

Oh and as far as Romney's promise to "work with both parties to get things done"..old "I'll work both sides of the aisle" Romney? LOL..yeah right, the way he only called states affected by Sandy that had GOP governors, but not Democratic governors, to offer his world-renowned expertise in hurricane management (he has none), also known as “yet again breaking his promise not to campaign in the middle of the disaster.”

http://americablog.com/2012/10/romney-further...

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Nov 4, 2012
 
Well as Mitt Romney refuses to identify which tax deductions and loopholes he would close in order to pay for the tax cuts he would push as president,thanks to Bloomberg we now know WHICH LOOPHOLE he definitely will not close!!!

Must be nice..zero taxes paid from 1996-2009...are you going to close the loopholes that you used Mr. Romney? I somehow doubt it, after all isn't that why you have the millions to spend in advertising from the SuperPACs? You need to give them back something now don't you?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romn...

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The very first flip-flop that Obama committed since running for President is actually running for the office in 2008. Obama said in 2004 that he would not run for President in the next election. Bush Tax Cuts
In 2008, Obama said that, as President, he would repeal the Bush tax cuts for the rich. In 2010, he extended those cuts.
Earmarks
In 2008, Obama’s campaign said that, as President, he would reduce earmarks ”to less than $7.8 billion a year, the level they were at before 1994&#8243;. Earmarks for fiscal year 2010 were more than $15 billion.
Killing NASA Program
“In August 2008, Senator Obama announced, as The Washington Post noted,“a detailed comprehensive space plan that includes $2 billion in new funding to reinvigorate NASA”.
But, as The Washington Post reported in March 2010, President Obama later shattered the dreams of the NASA community with a decision “to kill NASA’s Constellation program, crafted during the Bush administration with an ambitious goal of putting astronauts back on the moon by 2020.”
Energy
Cap and Trade
In 2008, Obama said that, as president, he would “set a hard cap on all carbon emissions at a level that scientists say is necessary to curb global warming – an 80% reduction by 2050&#8243;. No cap and trade legislation has been passed.
Health Care Mandate
Obama was against the individual mandate before it became a central part of his signature legislation.
Single Payer Health Care
In 2003, as an Illinois state senator, Obama said,”I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program.” In 2009, Obama said,”I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter.”
Closing Guantanamo
In 2008, Obama’s campaign said that, as president, he would ”close the detention facility at Guantanamo.” And, in January 2009, Obama signed an executive order calling for the Guantanamo Bay facility to be closed. It remains open.
Military tribunals for terror suspects
In the 2008 campaign, Obama said that, as president, he would end the use of military commissions with respect to terrorism suspects and detainees. However, they are still in use.
Patriot Act
Obama said he would repeal the Patriot Act in a 2003 questionnaire, but later voted to renew it in the Senate.
Public Posting of Bills Before Passage
In 2008, Obama’s campaign said that, as president, he would ”not sign any nonemergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House Web site for five days”. He has since signed non-emergency bills without the five-day public review period.
Gay Marriage
Obama’s position on this issue is constantly changing. President Obama openly opposed gay marriage during the 2008 election. Obama also supported states deciding the issue at that point. However, later on Obama opposed California’s ban on gay marriage and has said his views on the issue are “evolving.”
Decriminalizing Marijuana
Obama told students in 2004 he supported decriminalizing marijuana usage, but opposed it during his run for president. He has yet to take significant steps to decriminalize marijuana as President.
Abortion
Obama disagreed with the Supreme Court decision upholding a ban on partial birth abortion and had a 100% NARAL rating in 2006, 2007 and 2008, but while being interviewed by a Christian magazine Obama said that “mental distress” should not count as a “health of the mother” exception to a ban.
Accepting Donations from Lobbyists
Obama had a campaign pledge to not accept political contributions from lobbyists, yet Obama accepted money from registered airline lobbyist Ron Klein.
No Lobbyists
President Obama promised and made a campaign issue of not have a revolving door of lobbyists joining and leaving his administration, but has consistently violated this pledge by providing waivers to circumvent this promise.

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oops wrong link
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promi...
should have been this one.

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Normal Flora wrote:
OMG what will we do when hospitals no longer have to write off $20M a year in unreimbursed ER visits by the uninsured? And this figure is the actual figure from a management meeting I attended at the large teaching hospital I retired from. This is just ONE hospital in a modest metropolitan area. Hospitals would no longer have to jack up prices for the rest of us. Healthcare costs will come down. Insurance costs will come down. Yep, sounds pretty apocalyptic to me (sarcasm alert).
Well, for starters, you can stop overcharging for things and focus on preventative care instead of treating symptoms until the patients wind up needing such expensive procedures. Just a thought.

No matter who pays, hospital administration and most doctors are the root of the problem, not the insurance companies.

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