Creation/Evolution Debate

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1486 Dec 3, 2012
Russell wrote:
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I have said
SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION of evolution
Your usual skim reads have let you down again...and again...and again...and again
Nope, I didn't skim, it was obvious that you did not know what is or is not scientific evidence. I can give you a scientific definition of evolution. Without even looking it up I can tell you roughly that it is the observed change in allele frequency over time. That probably does not do you any good. Especially since you don't know what evidence is.

And you are still my biatch.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#1487 Dec 3, 2012
Russell wrote:
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Heavens....
Check your facts
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medici...
Yes and if you would actually read your own links you would see that Flemming discovered it, and Chain worked out its antimicrobial properties, therapeutics and structure.

Jeez, do we have hold their hands everyday.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#1488 Dec 3, 2012
Russell wrote:
Where on earth have I landed?
This forum--> a most weird conglomeration of syndicated UTTER stupidity and vacuous mindless nonsense
Don't be so hard on yourself. Save that for us.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#1489 Dec 3, 2012
Check out this "on-line debate" between the scientists at Creation.com and the Australian Skeptics

So, who won?

Sydney Morning Herald removed the link....
Not sure why

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1490 Dec 3, 2012
Russell wrote:
Check out this "on-line debate" between the scientists at Creation.com and the Australian Skeptics
So, who won?
Sydney Morning Herald removed the link....
Not sure why
The link to your lying side goes to a general page, not to the debate you talked about.

And if you are caught lying in a debate you are usually considereed the loser. So without seeing it I will go out on a limb and say that the creatards lost.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#1491 Dec 3, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The link to your lying side goes to a general page, not to the debate you talked about.
And if you are caught lying in a debate you are usually considereed the loser. So without seeing it I will go out on a limb and say that the creatards lost.
Stop being a Jackass
The link works fine
Its a pdf file

Creationists have no need to lie
WE have an objective moral foundation
YOU evo-god worshippers DO NOT

And, why is this young lady badgering me again

M'am I appreciate that your heart aches for these fools trying desperately to defend their hopeless cause....
HOWEVER
If you enter here

You will be hurt...

Forewarned will not be forearmed in your case....
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#1492 Dec 3, 2012
Try the link at the bottom of this page

Update Adobe prn

Heavens.....all the drip feeding I have to do
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#1493 Dec 3, 2012
OK so I forgot the link
Big deal

http://creation.com/australian-skeptics-vs-cm...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1494 Dec 3, 2012
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop being a Jackass
The link works fine
Its a pdf file
Creationists have no need to lie
WE have an objective moral foundation
YOU evo-god worshippers DO NOT
And, why is this young lady badgering me again
M'am I appreciate that your heart aches for these fools trying desperately to defend their hopeless cause....
HOWEVER
If you enter here
You will be hurt...
Forewarned will not be forearmed in your case....
Creationists always lie. Do you want me to keep score?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1495 Dec 3, 2012
I found the first lie!

It claims that "The evolutionary world view must explain the origin of first life,
9
for
evolution to even start. "

No, that is an error that is so large that it can be called a lie. No support was given for this idiotic statement. Evolution deals with the evolution of existing life. They are conflating biogenesis and evolution and though it would be nice to have all of the answers for abiogenesis it is not required for evolution in any way. If your god "pooofed" the first cell into existence it would evolve just the same as if its original source was abiogenesis.

Lie #2::Yet observational science shows that life arises only from life (the law of
biogenesis), with no known exception." Now they are trying to confuse people by implying that abiogensis is spontaneous generation.

I have not gotten very far, just past the opening bullshit and they are hot and heavy into the lies.

And the lies go on. I need to take a break for dinner. Trust me, they have nothing but lies and misstatements of science.

In fact, unless you can find a valid point I am declaring the cretinists the losers right now.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#1496 Dec 3, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Creationists always lie. Do you want me to keep score?
No just plain ol' evidence will be fine thanks

And
BTW

A list of grievances when you are shown to be WRONG does not constitute lying on my part

Meanwhile
I may like to make a list of all the times you have been shown to be wrong...

Might take a while
A long while

But here is a smattering....

SUBDUCTION ZONE’S GROSS ERRORS AND LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION

List of Mistakes--->

Archie--> fully bird with no evidence of having any issues with its hallux as demonstrated by the Meyer papers I had linked

Evolutionists hypothesizing that man and dinosaurs may have lived together----> jumped upon by SubDuction Zone et al as erroneous but then had to eat crow as Nature paper revealed that evolutionist were indeed doing so while tinkering around with molecular clocks

Denied that DNA is a code---> therefore arguing with Russian –American Physicist Georgi Antonovich Gamow, aka George Gamow, who formulated the standard theory of radioactive alpha-decay by quantum mechanical tunneling, who was the FIRST to propose the Genetic code idea, that the nucleotide sequence of DNA was coded information for the synthesis of proteins.

Pakicetus as a whale ancestor---> believed to be TRUTH by Sub-duction Zone, who when shown his error decided to state,“Well even a worm could be an ancestor to a whale”, or equally daft words to that effect; in other words, life is just a gigantic overturned bowl of Jello, with DNA strands darting around madly….why bother about body parts? Body plans? Why bother? Embryology? Phoooey!

Mutations are evolution/aka changes in nature are evolution--> shown unequivocally that this assumption is plain wrong and that even evolutionary geneticists are asking why we are not dead 100 times over

Antibiotic resistance--> again, wrong about this being evidence for evolution; any geneticist can tell you that less robustness, weaker and defective bacteria are the result of the mutations leading to antibiotic resistance; and that these types will be smashed by the normal wild types; therefore having a good roll in garden soil is the best defense against MRSA

Chain: co-discoverer of penicillin--> As per the Nobel prize committee, AS PER the Nobel Prize web site

Erosion between hermit shale and coconino sandstone---> NONE, no evidence for erosion for miles and miles; just a straight line differentiating the two layers as depicted by my randomly selected picture

Sickle cell anaemia a beneficial mutation--> leading researcher in sickle cell anaemia has discounted this claim

Don’t need an explanation for the origin of life --> yes, you do; the GTE demands it; “wish we knew more” is a pathetic reason to have given up your faith. Knowing where “Chicago is” means NUTHIN’. Crude analogies are not science and not valid in this debate. Otherwise I may like to say “life is like a beautiful watch”….and if there is a watch, there has to be a watchmaker….would you accept that? No you’d be hopping up and down like Rumpelstiltskin….screeching …something….I don’t care what….
Presently what you are stating is that no one knows how it happened…that’s all
If you claim to know how evolution happens, no evidence has been provided in support, by the way, it is legitimate and indeed necessary to demonstrate how
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#1497 Dec 3, 2012
No evidence for evolution of ATP synthase has been provided

Saying MikeF is a Christian---> WRONG

AND, falling into my obvious and childish trap, along with the other nutter Gillette EVEN when I warned that I was throwing you a bone….ha ha ha…that was a BIG funny for me…and I did that to get this ridiculous “debate” off it’s face in the mud……and Gillette never recovered…he’s gone now….his last known post was not to me as he stopped talking to me altogether……how goofy is that????

RULE OF ENGAGEMENT NO 7
Don’t skim read

You, SubDuction Zone, have also revealed yourself to be a materialistic bigot---> refusing to accept as a valid site for reference of creationist material…..this is after all, a debate about evolution versus creation…

Additionally, you presented peer review as an air tight fail safe method and REFUSED to back down when presented with facts about the peer review process

And you argue and argue and argue... even when proven WRONG!

Hence you have earned the title Marshmallow terminator

Squishy, sticky and OUT TO GET ME......

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1498 Dec 3, 2012
Listen Biatch #2. You have never shown any evolutionist to be wrong. The only thing that you have proven here is that you have no clue about evolution, logic, or science in general.

I see that you have nothing and decided to post a wall of nonsense again.

Do you realize that practically no one reads your walls of lies? No one would believe you except for another creatard.

And remember, your side has lost the debate to this point. Evolution is accepted as a fact by the vast majority of scientists. You cannot teach your superstitious beliefs in government funded schools here in the U.S., in England, and probably not in Australia. You have lost. Do you have anything at all?

And yes, all evidence indicates that Pakicetus is a whale ancestor. What did you expect the land based ancestor of whales to look like? Shamu with legs?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1499 Dec 3, 2012
Russell wrote:
No evidence for evolution of ATP synthase has been provided
Saying MikeF is a Christian---> WRONG
AND, falling into my obvious and childish trap, along with the other nutter Gillette EVEN when I warned that I was throwing you a bone….ha ha ha…that was a BIG funny for me…and I did that to get this ridiculous “debate” off it’s face in the mud……and Gillette never recovered…he’s gone now….his last known post was not to me as he stopped talking to me altogether……how goofy is that????
RULE OF ENGAGEMENT NO 7
Don’t skim read
You, SubDuction Zone, have also revealed yourself to be a materialistic bigot---> refusing to accept as a valid site for reference of creationist material…..this is after all, a debate about evolution versus creation…
Additionally, you presented peer review as an air tight fail safe method and REFUSED to back down when presented with facts about the peer review process
And you argue and argue and argue... even when proven WRONG!
Hence you have earned the title Marshmallow terminator
Squishy, sticky and OUT TO GET ME......
Talk to a biologist. And even if that is the case, so what? We do not need to answer ever frigging question about evolution to prove it to be a fact. Do we know every frigging thing about gravity? No, but when you trip you still fall and land face first. That's okay Russell, you didn't hurt any vital organs, you landed on your head.

If you want to learn how science works I will gladly help you. But you will have to admit that you have been totally wrong to date.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1500 Dec 3, 2012
I see that Biatch #2 is still lying.

No, Biatch #2, you presented nothing of substance about peer review. I told you how the losers at your sites would handle peer review if they were really getting a raw deal. All they have is sour grapes.

There wall deconstructed. One lie found and the rest can be assumed to be the same.

You think you know the "rules of engagement"

Here are some for you.

Don't lie.

Write posts that are worth reading. Don't complain if people skim because you are repeating the same lies you have told before.

Don't lie.

Try to defend one subject at a time. if you post several subjects the Gish Gallop Rule applies and debunking one claim debunks all.

Don't lie.

Avoid lying sites. If a site has been shown to support falsified science, like your various creationist sites, don't use them again since they will only be debunked again.

Don't lie,

Take a real science class.

Don't lie.

Take another real science class.

Don't lie.

Take a history of science class.

And above all, don't lie.
Russell

Canberra, Australia

#1502 Dec 3, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
In fact, unless you can find a valid point I am declaring the cretinists the losers right now.
Making such a declaration would be a BOLD FACED lie...

I have asked and asked....
Where is the evidence for evolution...

I have received NONE

If my list of your mistakes is so erroneous...

Why not post it for Urban Cowboy to evaluate as well?
Russell

Canberra, Australia

#1503 Dec 4, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Talk to a biologist. And even if that is the case, so what? We do not need to answer ever frigging question about evolution to prove it to be a fact.
No, I am not asking for every question to be answered
I know you can't do that

I am asking for JUST ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE for evolution

That fact is that NOT even ATP synthase has an evolutionary explanation....NONE

No cell can exist without energy

What is it that you wish to teach me about science?

Or should I ask a biologist?

Since you have no idea and have obliquely admitted that above?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1504 Dec 4, 2012
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Making such a declaration would be a BOLD FACED lie...
I have asked and asked....
Where is the evidence for evolution...
I have received NONE
If my list of your mistakes is so erroneous...
Why not post it for Urban Cowboy to evaluate as well?
No, I showed where in their opening paper that the cretinists were lying. The skeptics pointed out that they were wrong too, but they were politer.

And I made a conditional statement. You confirmed that I was right by not finding any valid points.

Lastly you are too dense to recognize evidence if it was given to you. I kindly offered to teach you about evidence, provided you admitted that you were wrong. It is obvious that you don't want to learn.

Biatch #2 is off for another swim in the longest river in the world.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1505 Dec 4, 2012
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am not asking for every question to be answered
I know you can't do that
I am asking for JUST ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE for evolution
That fact is that NOT even ATP synthase has an evolutionary explanation....NONE
No cell can exist without energy
What is it that you wish to teach me about science?
Or should I ask a biologist?
Since you have no idea and have obliquely admitted that above?
Ah, the idiot is now trying to lie by purposefully not understanding my post. You can only fool yourself with this ploy fool.

And you know the conditions on getting any evidence.

No evidence is needed for a fool who could not recognize it anyway.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1506 Dec 4, 2012
And one more thing Russell,

Don't Lie.

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