Creation/Evolution Debate

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

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#613 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
Christine, you still there?
Judging my posts they way you do?
I can always tell....
Project much? What is to judge?

You post nothing but unsubstantiated rebuttals and failed attempts at sarcasm. You post cr/\p, we all know you post cr/\p. These is no substance in what you post, nothing evidential, no verification, nothing but good old pedantic foot stamping like a spoilt child. We already know your posts are worthless, there is nothing to judge.

I do however sometimes try and show you the error of your ways, whether you do anything about that is up to you.

And you need to do something about those psychic ideas of yours, it’s a sign of psychosis
Russell

Belconnen, Australia

#614 Nov 20, 2012
Advances in technology and scientific discovery that aid our existence on planet earth occur as a result of the scientific method.
The foundations of such science and discovery were laid by creationist scientists.
-The creationist Robert Boyle (1627-1691) fathered modern chemistry by demolishing the faulty Aristotelian four element theory. He also funded lectures to defend Christianity and sponsored missionaries and Bible translation work.

-Cell phones depend on electromagnetic radiation theory, which was pioneered by creationist James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879).

-Computing machines were invented by Charles Babbage (1791-1871), a creationist, but not in the Biblical sense. He "believed that the study of the works of nature with scientific precision, was a necessary and indispensible preparation to the understanding and interpreting their testimony of the wisdom and goodness of their Divine Author."

-The creationist brothers Orville (1871-1948) and Wilbur Wright (1867-1912) invented the sirplane after studying God's design of birds.

-The theory of planetary orbits was invented by Johannes Kepler (1571-1630), famous for claiming his discoveries were due to "thinking God's thoughts after Him".

-The theory of gravity and the laws of motion, essential for the moon landings, were discovered by creationist Isaac Newton (1642/3-1727), who also discovered the spectrum of light, invented the reflecting telescope, discovered the exponential law of cooling, and co-invented calculus.

-The moon landing program was headed by Wernher von Braun (1912-1977), who believed in a designer and opposed evolution. And a Biblical creationist, James Irwin (1930 to 1991) walked on the moon.

-America led the world in the number of Nobel prizes awarded, including in biology, before evolution was part of the curriculum. And the Appolo moon landings were also achieved by scientists and engineers educated under that same curriculum.

“I started out with nothing”

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#615 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
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Am I restricted to Evolution/creation quotes?
How is it Christine went on and on about the Chinese and you didn't say NUTHIN'?
What Chinese?

Methinks you are smoking too much wacky baby

If you want to accuse me of something than at least stop LYING and accuse me of something I am guilty of

If I remember rightly you had a dig made in ignorance at Chinese communism and I provided one post that contained one short paragraph with 2 relevant points about Chinese communism that countered your dig and made you look silly. Just because you are allergic to facts that make you look stupid is no ones fault but you own.

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#616 Nov 20, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I must have skipped over her posts since they were not directed towards me. Did they have anything to do with the subject at hand?
Let's get back to basics. What sort of evidence do you have for creation? We have all sorts of evidence for evolution. Do you understand the scientific process of developing a hypothesis and testing it? The steps in science are observation, development of a hypothesis, testing of hypothesis, further developing as a theory, testing as a theory, then finally peer review.
How far along are they in developing any hypotheses in creation?
The one post in which I mentioned the Chinese was in reply to a post attempting to discredit Chinese communism. I wrote one short paragraph that proved Russell an ignorant fool (again) Of course Russ did not like being bested and so the need for him to LIE about it to massage his ego
Russell

Belconnen, Australia

#617 Nov 20, 2012
And medicine needing evolution?
Tosh...as they say in the motherland

Vaccination was discovered by Edward Jenner (1749 to 1823) Note that Origins was published in 1859.

Aseptic surgery by Joseph Lister, creationist (1827-1912)

Anaesthesia by James Young Simpson (1811 to 1870), who belive God was the first anesthetist, citing Genesis 2:21

Germ theory of disease by Louis Pasteur, creationist,(1822 to 1895), who dsproved spontaneous generation, still an evolutionary belief.

Inventor of MRI and outspoken Biblical creationist, Raymond Damadian (1936-)

Inventor of the gene gun, John Stanford (1950-)

And the list continues....

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#618 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
PART 2
The main scientific objection to evolution is NOT about whether change occurs through time. So, Christine, sending me hoards of links about “change” is quite redundant. Whether you like it or not. And your observing gradual changes from the HUMAN Cro-magnon to the HUMAN human, is nothing special or awesome or anything at all!
…
Behe has shown this could never happen even with assumed evolutionary deep time.
--Behe, M, The edge of evolution: the search for limits of Darwinism, Free Press, NY, 2007.
So what you are saying us it’s not the fact that evolution happens, is observable and measurable but it’s the fact that you want to ignore the facts. You cannot change the definition of evolution because it contradicts the goddidit idea.

Behe has shown nothing he is a discredited source, all he has done is stamp his feet, much as you do the difference being he has done it in court and publicly shown lhuis stupidity

In court Behe was forced to concede that "there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred”
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#619 Nov 20, 2012
Ron May wrote:
Exactly how does society benefit from this knowledge? For the most part, evolution science seems to be solely directed in a negative direction, toward disproving and discrediting God.
False. Evolution is not atheism. It makes no theological claims. Even Christians accept evolution. It's creationists who push it in a negative direction because their faith requires them to invent a boogey-man. Benefits of evolution have already been given.
Ron May wrote:
To do this evolution science needs to piggy-back on the other, beneficial sciences. Just look around... Who, other than the government, provides financial support for evolution science? Is there any kind of product on the market produced by using evolution science?
Your medicine and food.
Ron May wrote:
Exactly how does society benefit from this knowledge? For the most part, evolution science seems to be solely directed in a negative direction, toward disproving and discrediting God.
False. Evolution is not atheism. It makes no theological claims. Even Christians accept evolution. It's creationists who push it in a negative direction because their faith requires them to invent a boogey-man. Benefits of evolution have already been given.
Ron May wrote:
To do this evolution science needs to piggy-back on the other, beneficial sciences. Just look around... Who, other than the government, provides financial support for evolution science? Is there any kind of product on the market produced by using evolution science?
Your medicine and food.
Ron May wrote:
How about teaching? Yes, schools hire evolution science teachers, but they only beget more evolution science teachers.
Bingo. Teaching science will eventually lead to scientists and science teachers.
Ron May wrote:
Of course not, the only benefit for the evolutionists is to drive a wedge and separate society from God.
If that's the case, evolution would be illegal to teach. But you already lost this one in court.

Multiple times.

But at least we know that your objections towards evolution have nothing to do with its scientific veracity but are religious in nature. Your theological beefs are your problem.
Ron May wrote:
That, in turn, leaves the evolutionists with the moral authority to teach and promote anything they want. Abortion, same-sex-marriage, birth out of wed-lock, death panels, and a host of other behaviors that contribute to the moral decay of society.
Teaching creationism leaves the fundies with the moral aithority to teach and promote anything they want. No sex education, death panels, denial of rights to gays and rape victims, and divine justification to oppress any who disagree with your baseless religious opinions. For evidence we need only look to certain parts of the Middle East.
Ron May wrote:
Even the science of evolution itself is corrupted. They make good, honest observations and measurements, and then jump to erroneous conclusions.
Except you don't have the education to back that up. Also your "scientific alternative" is an invisible magic Jew. So why the hypocrisy on your part?
Ron May wrote:
For example, the "primordial soup,"
Irrelevant to the theory of evolution.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#620 Nov 20, 2012
Ron May wrote:
Think about it, you will be hard pressed to find anything in your everyday life that depends on, or even uses evolution science. So who is supporting this science that has little or no benefit? Just follow the money and you will find that government and public schools are the ones paying for and dogmatically pushing evolution.
If evolution did not work, they would not get funded. Ergo you have to invent a worldwide atheist conspiracy involving all the world's major scientific institutions, numerous Governments, and the courts.
Ron May wrote:
How many of those evolutionary scientists would be awarded study grants or positions of honor in academia if their studies concluded that there is a creator?
Christian evolutionary biologists exist. Sorry.
Ron May wrote:
How are our children, our future citizens, responding as the ACLU and evolutionary scientists push God out of our schools and out of our society? Are our children, and society, more polite, better behaved, more respectful, or even better educated when they are told their ancestors were monkeys? In the end, evolution as presented today is baloney, it is a pure and simple power-grab with the government using the paid useful idiots, evolution scientists, to help.
Your paranoia needs a stronger tin-foil hat.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#621 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your evidence?
If it's so good, how about re-posting?
I swear I'll look at it.
No need. You won't. Page 1. BILLIONS of facts you have not been able to address. Still there. Still waiting. But you're a liar so that's why we've been waiting since then for you to actually participate in this forum.(shrug)

Remember, God is watching...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#622 Nov 20, 2012
Ron May wrote:
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Sorry Kong, I don't have a pulpit, just common sense :)
If you had common sense you wouldn't be so paranoid as to claim a vast world-wide conspiracy of atheists is suppressing the vast majority of Christians therefore reality is not real because an invisble Jewish wizard magically poofed everything into existence.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#623 Nov 20, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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The one post in which I mentioned the Chinese was in reply to a post attempting to discredit Chinese communism. I wrote one short paragraph that proved Russell an ignorant fool (again) Of course Russ did not like being bested and so the need for him to LIE about it to massage his ego
Yes, and I take it from some of your or others posts that he is a mere sock of someone who has been banned. I agree he is a liar.
And an ignorant fool.

Of course there is no such thing as an honest informed creationist. I have offered nicely to teach Russell what scientific evidence is but he prefers to remain a clown.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#624 Nov 20, 2012
Ron May wrote:
*must have - always accepted by evolutionists as absolute proof of whatever, such as... must have evolved from a primordial soup, or must have evolved from apes, or my very favorite... must have exploded creating our universe from nothing :)
Ah, so you agree you don't have the faintest clue about science. Thought so.
Russell

Belconnen, Australia

#625 Nov 20, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
By the way Ron, if you want to talk about Whale evolution you could have used a more recent and thorough source:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cet...
Or you might try this, cartoons may be more your speed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =8cn0kf8mhS4XX
At best you have an argument from ignorance combined with an argument from incredulity, neither of which are winning tactics.
So is Pakicetus real?
It was in all the text books and taught as FACT
just the usual evolutionary way...
Big bombastic claims about nothing
Bold headlines about transitional fossils....
Then ....nothing
Russell

Belconnen, Australia

#626 Nov 20, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Ah, so you agree you don't have the faintest clue about science. Thought so.
You sound like you invented science, Bud
What exactly do you know that doesn't come from high school text books and google?
Russell

Belconnen, Australia

#627 Nov 20, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and I take it from some of your or others posts that he is a mere sock of someone who has been banned. I agree he is a liar.
And an ignorant fool.
Of course there is no such thing as an honest informed creationist. I have offered nicely to teach Russell what scientific evidence is but he prefers to remain a clown.
There you go again
Sounding like a 12 yr old
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#628 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
Compromisers
And they are dead wrong
Pity you can't demonstrate it.
Russell wrote:
The fact you produce this reveals your total absence of understanding of not only Christianity but also of science.
Your understanding of science is reality isn't real therefore we are all dead therefore an invisible Jewish wizard fixed everything with magic.

As for your understanding of Christianity, you don't know jack more about it than anyone else does, period.(Same goes for you, Ron)
Russell wrote:
A compromised belief system does not provided justification for acceptance of rubbish science and evolutionary nonsence
Your baseless religious opinions are irrelevant.
Russell wrote:
Why are we not dead 100 times over, Kong?
Because creationism isn't correct. Otherwise we would be, according to your alternative.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#629 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
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So is Pakicetus real?
It was in all the text books and taught as FACT
just the usual evolutionary way...
Big bombastic claims about nothing
Bold headlines about transitional fossils....
Then ....nothing
Of course it was real. Do you have information that it wasn't?

And it looks like it was the ancestor of the whales.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

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#630 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
Interesting
I just had to remove my references in order for my last post to get through....
Great trial!
Feel good about NEVER giving up...
But some people really should give up...
Christine
Did Gillette not make to exact same post earlier on today?
Almost word for word
But he went on about phylogenetics a bit more
All nonsense, of course...both of you are parroting the usual old canards....as I will demonstrate shortly.
Evolution has had no bearing on scientific advancements at all. It is no use in medicine, agriculture, molecular biology or ANYTHING.
Science progressed marvellously prior to the indoctrination of the gullible in 1859 and has progressed marvellously afterwards.
All that has changed is the evo-god worshipping that you and others who believe as you do, indulge in.
Now, excuse me
I am continuing my trial..
I am conducting an experiment here at present.
Possibly I did not read Gillette’s post until after I had posted mine but it is generally universal knowledge. I am not surprise that you dismiss it so readily but unfortunately your ignorance is not an excuse.

Tell me, are the results of your experiment going to be peer reviewed or are you going to bypass that troublesome stage that will no doubt highlight the flaws in your experiment and instead simply hope that people accept the results? That I is the Ider way is it not?

Also can you tell me why no anti-evolutionary ideas have ever contributed anything with any practical application to the advancement of civilisation?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#631 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
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There you go again
Sounding like a 12 yr old
Right<rolleyes>

You know that lying is against your rules, don't you? Your betters have told you countless times that you are wrong and have even taken the energy to show that several times over.

One thing we know about Russell, even though he may be an adult he is not a real man. A real man admits he is wrong when he is shown to be wrong. When I claimed that atheists know the Bible better than Christians he scoffed at me. When I posted a link to an article that showed a study found that to be true he never even acknowledged reading it. I have not seen him admit once that he was wrong when his quotes were shown to be either quote mined, of bumbling idiots, or to have no bearing on the discussion.

I guess we can toy with the fool until someone more worthy comes along.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#632 Nov 20, 2012
Russell wrote:
And medicine needing evolution?
Tosh...as they say in the motherland
Vaccination was discovered by Edward Jenner (1749 to 1823) Note that Origins was published in 1859.
Aseptic surgery by Joseph Lister, creationist (1827-1912)
Anaesthesia by James Young Simpson (1811 to 1870), who belive God was the first anesthetist, citing Genesis 2:21
Germ theory of disease by Louis Pasteur, creationist,(1822 to 1895), who dsproved spontaneous generation, still an evolutionary belief.
Inventor of MRI and outspoken Biblical creationist, Raymond Damadian (1936-)
Inventor of the gene gun, John Stanford (1950-)
And the list continues....
And bugs evolve resistance which is why medicines need to evolve. Antibiotics are a prime example – tell me, if you contracted MRSA would you prefer an aspirin, old anti biotic that MRSA has developed a resistance for or a new antibiotic that is actually effective?

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