how do you get to heaven

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Shubee wrote:
We get to heaven by acquiring a character that is worth saving. And acquiring that character is achieved by faith.
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...and throwing a perfectly good brain down the toilet, as you have done.
It's not irrational to believe in God. Actually, it's just plain inexcusable to accept the three demons' messages.
http://everythingimportant.org
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Shubee wrote:
<quoted text><quoted text>It's not irrational to believe in God. Actually, it's just plain inexcusable to accept the three demons' messages.
http://everythingimportant.org
Irrational...you keep saying this word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Shubee wrote:
<quoted text><quoted text>It's not irrational to believe in God. Actually, it's just plain inexcusable to accept the three demons' messages.
http://everythingimportant.org
Larry, Moe and Curly?

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<quoted text>It's not irrational to believe in God. Actually, it's just plain inexcusable to accept the three demons' messages.
http://everythingimportant.org
So, it's perfectly rational to believe in something with no evidence it exists, has properties that can't be completely agreed upon by any single person, never tries to make its presence known to everybody but requires belief to get to paradise and is thought to be responsible for the deaths of 10s of millions of people but, again, without any evidence?

Wow, convinced me!
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So, it's perfectly rational to believe in something with no evidence it exists
I claim that evidence for God exists and that the evidence is much stronger than the common descent postulate, for which no evidence exists, yet you are very happy to believe that fairytale.

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<quoted text>I claim that evidence for God exists and that the evidence is much stronger than the common descent postulate, for which no evidence exists, yet you are very happy to believe that fairytale.
DNA and the fossil record is pretty hard to dismiss.(I know, I'm just opening up another can of stupid)
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DNA and the fossil record is pretty hard to dismiss.(I know, I'm just opening up another can of stupid)
Imagine that. I also believe in DNA and the fossil record. Here's the proof: everythingimportant.org/devolution
Thanks for opening up and revealing that you're just another can of stupid.

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<quoted text>Imagine that. I also believe in DNA and the fossil record. Here's the proof: everythingimportant.org/devolution
Thanks for opening up and revealing that you're just another can of stupid.
What a surprise. Another joke goes right over your head.

And seriously, you're still pushing that devolution crap? It's made up nonsense. You can't devolve. You've been told and shown this numerous times in other threads.
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llDayo wrote:
properties that can't be completely agreed upon by any single person
How did you get so mightily misinformed? The single property that defines God is that of maximality. God is maximally powerful, maximally knowledgeable, maximally gracious and maximally good. If God fell short of what a supreme being could actually be, even in the slightest degree, then God wouldn’t be God.

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<quoted text> How did you get so mightily misinformed? The single property that defines God is that of maximality. God is maximally powerful....
Except when it comes to Iron chariots, of course

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<quoted text> How did you get so mightily misinformed? The single property that defines God is that of maximality. God is maximally powerful, maximally knowledgeable, maximally gracious and maximally good. If God fell short of what a supreme being could actually be, even in the slightest degree, then God wouldn’t be God.
Yet Adam and Eve were able to hide from him...
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llDayo wrote:
Yet Adam and Eve were able to hide from him...
In your axiom set, yes.

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<quoted text>In your axiom set, yes.
Genesis 3 -
8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

So apparently God is either horrible at hide-and-go-seek or he's not all knowing. He also doesn't seem to realize that they ate from the tree either. But I'm sure I'm probably incorrect because I didn't quote from the correct Bible, right?
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Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>I claim that evidence for God exists and that the evidence is much stronger than the common descent postulate, for which no evidence exists, yet you are very happy to believe that fairytale.
Sure common ancestry has lots of evidence:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...

Hence "belief" is superfluous.

And don't forget:
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I have never claimed to be an expert in biology. Frankly, I can barely remember anything about the one course I took in biology.
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Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> How did you get so mightily misinformed? The single property that defines God is that of maximality. God is maximally powerful, maximally knowledgeable, maximally gracious and maximally good. If God fell short of what a supreme being could actually be, even in the slightest degree, then God wouldn’t be God.
Pretty vague.(shrug)
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TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Except when it comes to Iron chariots, of course
Or Egyptian Pharaoh-magic.
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llDayo wrote:
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Genesis 3 -
8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
This is correct. God humbles himself and speaks to humans on their level. That's not exactly earth-shattering news.
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Pretty vague.
For you, no question about it.

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Shubee wrote:
<quoted text><quoted text>It's not irrational to believe in God. Actually, it's just plain inexcusable to accept the three demons' messages.
http://everythingimportant.org
Its not irrational to consider God a possibility. Its irrational to believe in something when you have no evidence for it. Considering God a possibility and "believing in God" are two different things.

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<quoted text> How did you get so mightily misinformed? The single property that defines God is that of maximality. God is maximally powerful, maximally knowledgeable, maximally gracious and maximally good. If God fell short of what a supreme being could actually be, even in the slightest degree, then God wouldn’t be God.
So you also accept the inevitable conclusion that if God exists and has these characteristics, then He must lack Free Will.

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