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Alan

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Jan 11, 2013
 

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Africa as a warmer climate requires less technological adaptation. Africans do not need complex houses or full bodied clothing. They can get by readily without metal tools.

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#1317
Jan 11, 2013
 
Alan wrote:
Africa as a warmer climate requires less technological adaptation. Africans do not need complex houses or full bodied clothing. They can get by readily without metal tools.
Clearly someone who has never been more an a mile from his house.

Africa is N/S oriented, it has a wide range of climates. Yes, on average Africa is warmer than say Northern Europe, but that is not the reason for the difference in technology.

First, EurAsia is E/W oriented. That means that plants which grow at a specific latitude can be spread through cultural contact along that latitude. More people tending the same crops yields more technological advancements in regards to those crops and more opportunity for that technology to spread/be improved upon.

Second, the distribution of domesticated animals is not even. Not all animals can be domesticated. Cattle, pigs, sheep, goats, horses, chickens, camels etc are not evenly distributed to all parts of the world. With Africa's more severe predator groups and generally lacking domestricatable animals, the various by products of those animals (be it leather, or labor) were not available.

Additionally, domestication of animals leads to disease. Virtually every major disease which effects humans has its origin in one or more of our domestic animals. This will seem counter intuitive but, having those diseases effect your culture is an advantage. Europeans were dealing with several disease for thousands of years. When they reached the Americas, those diseases killed 90% of the native population. It wouldn't have mattered if Native Americans were driving spaceships. You can't lose 90% of your population and expect to keep a culture going.

Third, resources like iron, copper, gold, etc are not universally distributed. You could have the smartest people in the world living on an island that has no iron and they will never get out of the stone age.

It's not that Africans were "hot and lazy". It's that they started off with different access to resources than other groups and as a result advanced at a different pace in regards to the benefits those resources grant a culture.

I recommend "Guns, Germs and Steel". An excellent book that goes into all this in MUCH greater detail
nawdawg

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#1318
Feb 11, 2013
 
dude these are things that African people should desire.. not require.. the white man has these things because of desire.. where is your desire for more.. that's why you want these things..
nawdawg

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#1319
Feb 11, 2013
 
the white man is a hustler..

sometimes the black man is a hustler..

black men need to continue to be hustler like the white man is..
nawdawg

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#1320
Feb 11, 2013
 
is it easier to be white or Asians???

who commit suicide more often??
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Feb 21, 2013
 

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evolution probably isn't real because what are whites gonna evolve into clear people??
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I read the first pages only, was mind-blown by the misuse of the racism card.

I don't know where this thread went, didn't bother reading 50+ pages of dialogue of the deaf, however i'd like to point out that race equality isn't about thinking that everyone is the same, but rather about being open-minded enough to acknowledge the fact that the differences between the races are insignificant.

The original poster and a few others pointed out some biological disparities that might have resulted from geographical differences. That isn't racist. That's pointing out facts (though the expression "more evolved" isn't correct). Numerous factors (independent of skin color) contributed to making some populations taller or shorter, darker or lighter, more athletic or less, have higher or lower average iq, etc.

In the end, we're all the same specie. While we can't even out the inequalities in attributes between the populations, those are so small that they're practically meaningless in most situations.

Averages.... height of 170 cm vs 175 cm, iq of 115 vs 120, white pigment vs yellow vs brown, hair color or texture, more fast-twitch muscle fibers or less... While they may SEEM like big differences, they're not, and culture/education/family genes/society will have a MUCH bigger impact on your life than any of those innate-race typical features.

Genetics are a bitch. It doesn't matter that you're black or white or yellow, we all go through the genetics/social roulette and what's really life defining is (unfortunately) wether you're born in a rich or poor environment, with or without brains/looks/health.

Luck and efforts are key for everyone. I'm not racist to say that the average white/black is taller than the average asian, the average asian kid will have a better SAT score than the average black kid, there are more blacks in the NBA, there are more caucasians in hockey, asians tend to focus on skill-reliant activities like diving and technical arts. In the end, you'll still have those michael phelps, obama, yao ming, etc. who happened to be born with vastly superior features compared to the average HUMAN.

Answer to question: no, white/asians aren't more evolved, but they do have specific traits that might or might not give them an advantage at something. OP ISN'T RACIST FOR ASKING A QUESTION.
Karl 1970

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#1323
Mar 14, 2013
 
Everyone is too worried about this... Why does it matter.... It won't be too long until we are one world race due to our recently derived mobility to travel the world anyway.... Then no one can bitch about anything... We are already starting to see it in the US.
Faster321

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#1324
Mar 14, 2013
 
I think its amazing given the facts that in any species on earth we can determine the intelligence level. When it comes to humans we pretend they are all the same as to not oppress a group.The africans that are still are doing the same things they were 100,000 ago. Does anyone deny that we are more intelligent than our common ancestors the ape? Through evolution intelligence was obtained and the african/aborigines are still sitting in the same dirt with flys on their face. You guys pick and choose what parts of evolution you agree with but soon what is now not politically correct will be exposed.If science and IQ test make you a racist then label me as you will.
The Dude

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#1325
Mar 14, 2013
 
Which parts of evolution are we cherry-picking?
Faster321

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#1326
Mar 14, 2013
 
The Dude wrote:
Which parts of evolution are we cherry-picking?
CHARLES DARWIN
"Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.
His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.
A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.
In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.
With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”
The Dude

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#1327
Mar 15, 2013
 
Faster321 wrote:
<quoted text>
CHARLES DARWIN
"Since the blah blah blah
Evolution makes no racist claims, and doesn't view any race to be "more evolved" than another. Though that's not to say that some in the past have not misconstrued evolution (be it deliberately or non-deliberately) for a racist agenda.

Darwin however, while not perfect was a product of his time:

Darwin on race

"By the way, a negro lived in Edinburgh, who had travelled with Waterton and gained his livelihood by stuffing birds, which he did excellently; he gave me lessons for payment, and I used often to sit with him, for he was a very pleasant and intelligent man."

"Great God how I should like to see the greatest curse on Earth Slavery abolished."

"For instance, early in the voyage at Bahia in Brazil he defended and praised slavery, which I abominated, and told me that he had just visited a great slave-owner, who had called up many of his slaves and asked them whether they were happy, and whether they wished to be free, and all answered “No.” I then asked him, perhaps with a sneer, whether he thought that the answers of slaves in the presence of their master was worth anything. This made him excessively angry, and he said that as I doubted his word, we could not live any longer together."

"The Indians are now so terrified that they offer no resistance in a body, but each flies, neglecting even his wife and children; but when overtaken, like wild animals, they fight against any number to the last moment….Every one here is fully convinced that this is the most just war, because it is against barbarians. Who would believe in this age that such atrocities could be committed in a Christian civilized country?"

"This posta was commanded by a negro lieutenant, born in Africa: to his credit be it said, there was not a ranche between the Colorado and Buenos Ayres in nearly such neat order as his….I did not anywhere meet a more civil and obliging man than this negro; it was therefore the more painful to see that he would not sit down and eat with us."

"I was pleased with nothing so much as with the inhabitants. There is a mildness in the expression of their countenances which at once banishes the idea of a savage; and intelligence which shows that they are advancing in civilization….It has been remarked, that it requires little habit to make a dark skin more pleasing and natural to the eye of an European than his own colour. A white man bathing by the side of a Tahitian, was like a plant bleached by the gardener’s art compared with a fine dark green one growing vigorously in the open fields."

(credit to PT)

Of course none of this is relevant to the scientific validity of evolution.

So I repeat: Which parts of ***evolution*** are we cherry-picking?
Faster321

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Mar 15, 2013
 
I assume you believe humans evolved and adapted "physically".The part you cant comprehend is "mentally"-The evolution of intelligence from a less intelligent species to present day. IQ test determine intelligence.If for some reason you don't understand that then let me ask you why is it that when a European of 100 IQ and an African of 80 IQ have a child the IQ of the child is the median range 90 IQ. Brain size is directly related to IQ.Even before birth, race differences in brain size can be observed. Brain size in (cm3) East Asians, Whites, Blacks.. respectively 1364,1347,1267. The average IQs respectively 105,100,70-85. IQ is hereditary.
The Dude

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#1329
Mar 15, 2013
 
Faster321 wrote:
I assume you believe humans evolved and adapted "physically".The part you cant comprehend is "mentally"-The evolution of intelligence from a less intelligent species to present day. IQ test determine intelligence.If for some reason you don't understand that then let me ask you why is it that when a European of 100 IQ and an African of 80 IQ have a child the IQ of the child is the median range 90 IQ. Brain size is directly related to IQ.Even before birth, race differences in brain size can be observed. Brain size in (cm3) East Asians, Whites, Blacks.. respectively 1364,1347,1267. The average IQs respectively 105,100,70-85. IQ is hereditary.
This guy is smarter than you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neil_deGras...

The differences between brain sizes within homo-sapiens is negligible. But even if we pretend you were right that still doesn't make anything "more evolved".
Faster321

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#1330
Mar 15, 2013
 
That's your claim to fame a half puerto rican on a science board with Europeans? Doesn't make up for the other billion.I rest my case
The Dude

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Mar 15, 2013
 
Faster321 wrote:
That's your claim to fame a half puerto rican on a science board with Europeans? Doesn't make up for the other billion.I rest my case
It only takes one.(shrug)

Your case was empty.

Fact is you can swap a black child from a "primitive" community in Africa and have them trade places with a white child from Massachusetts and the white kid will wind up less intelligent than the black kid. The reasons for this have already been expounded upon by Nuggin on the previous page. And throughout this whole thread I might add.

I did find this to be of interest though:
Faster321 wrote:
<quoted text>
CHARLES DARWIN
"Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.
His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.
A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.
In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.
With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#M...

... but then you supremacist rubes aren't well known for your intelligence attributes.
Faster321

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Mar 17, 2013
 

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Fact is you can swap a black child from a "primitive" community in Africa and have them trade places with a white child from Massachusetts and the white kid will wind up less intelligent than the black kid. The reasons for this have already been expounded upon by Nuggin on the previous page. And throughout this whole thread I might add.
I did find this to be of interest though:
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"Facts" like these by yourself and "nuggin" make all the more proof that comprehension is a trait that you did not inherit.
Adopted black children in white middle class american families have an iq of 89. Adopted white children in white middle class american families iq 106. Differences are shown as early as age 3. Read up before you post "Dude"
http://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/r...
http://www.vice.com/read/chinas-taking-over-t...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.ht... ;
http://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/t...
http://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/c...
The Dude

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#1333
Mar 17, 2013
 
So five batshit linkys and one NYTimes article which quotes geneticists who disagree with you. Well done.
Faster321

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Mar 17, 2013
 
The Dude wrote:
So five batshit linkys and one NYTimes article which quotes geneticists who disagree with you. Well done.
"Batshit" is convincing a person with 80 IQ to think before they speak.
The Dude

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#1335
Mar 17, 2013
 
Good job I never intended to convince you, because just like creationists, reality is irrelevant to you.

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