Are Asians/whites more evolved?

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

United States

#21 Nov 6, 2007
Monterrey ITESM wrote:
I would like to know why there is no first world, stable, black, democracy anywhere in the world.
You cannot claim blacks are soley victims of slavery, poverty, etc since many of their same behaviours exist in Africa proper.
At one time, the whole world was poor and uneducated and still, some groups of people were able to pull themselves out that.
I still think that the winters of northern Europe were a determining factor that forced evolution of the people that lived there. Either you evolved by creating shelter, storing food, etc or you died. I cannot think of a better evolutionary filter.
Most of the worlds industrial centers lie away from the equator. Interesting.....
If you honestly want to know, you should read "Gun, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.

He goes into a great deal of detail, but I'll sum it up a big point quickly.

Europe and Asia are oriented W-E, Africa is N-S. Therefore societies in Europe and Asia share climates where as societies in Africa don't.

That means technologies developed in Europe and Asia can be traded and used, whereas similiar advances in Africa could not.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#22 Nov 7, 2007
Nuggin wrote:
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If you honestly want to know, you should read "Gun, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.
He goes into a great deal of detail, but I'll sum it up a big point quickly.
Europe and Asia are oriented W-E, Africa is N-S. Therefore societies in Europe and Asia share climates where as societies in Africa don't.
That means technologies developed in Europe and Asia can be traded and used, whereas similiar advances in Africa could not.
Yup. It's a matter of geography, the luck of the draw. Where civilization started was not a matter of who was better, but of who was luckier. Who had good climate. Who had local plants and animals that could be domesticated.

Since: Mar 07

Fresno, CA

#23 Nov 12, 2007
I'm tired of people saying that everyone in a small, remote tribe somewhere is less intelligent than me sitting in my home in California. I mean, how do you measure intelligence anyway? These tribes in Africa have sustained their existence for hundreds or thousands of years...and I'd say that's pretty darn intelligent! Cars get you places faster, but they also bring headaches to the environment. A life with more technology is not necessarily a better one.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

United States

#24 Nov 12, 2007
Weird War wrote:
I'm tired of people saying that everyone in a small, remote tribe somewhere is less intelligent than me sitting in my home in California. I mean, how do you measure intelligence anyway? These tribes in Africa have sustained their existence for hundreds or thousands of years...and I'd say that's pretty darn intelligent! Cars get you places faster, but they also bring headaches to the environment. A life with more technology is not necessarily a better one.
Actually a good argument can be made that anyone in a non-industrialized country is in fact MORE evolved, since the trappings of modern society have negated many of the selective forces behind evolution.
Believer in science

Prince George, Canada

#25 Nov 18, 2007
Jake wrote:
This will be a controversial topic--but do any of you believe that the fact that what became Asian and white populations are more evolved than ones who stayed in Africa?
Would it not be far fetched for one to surmise that traveling by foot thousands of miles over hundreds of years and being faced with various obstacles and challenges that one had to adapt to would over time cause a trend in increased intelligence?
It cannot be denied that those originating from Europe (and Asian) have been responsible for much of what makes modern life modern. I mean, it's just a fact.
Furthermore, why are white and Asian skulls flatter with more pronounced features and larger brain capacities (less similar to ancient ancestors)?
I'm not arguing that there aren't some highly intelligent people of African descent--there are. But overwhelmingly, these observations I think hold some truth.
Thoughts? Opinions?
You do know this is what Darwin himself had said?
But if you believe in evolution it might be best not to tell anyone else... This is one of the shames of evolution because it promotes racism. Darwin said that black people had not evovled very much from apes while white people did. He said that in the future the more civilized white people would eleminate the ape-like negros. This inspired many shameful events, such as the Holocaust in which even Hitler wrote in his autobiography "Mienf Kein" that he was inspired by darwin in the struggle for existence to eliminate lower species.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

United States

#26 Nov 18, 2007
Believer in science wrote:
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You do know this is what Darwin himself had said?
But if you believe in evolution it might be best not to tell anyone else... This is one of the shames of evolution because it promotes racism. Darwin said that black people had not evovled very much from apes while white people did. He said that in the future the more civilized white people would eleminate the ape-like negros. This inspired many shameful events, such as the Holocaust in which even Hitler wrote in his autobiography "Mienf Kein" that he was inspired by darwin in the struggle for existence to eliminate lower species.
You are confusing evolution and eugenics. Eugenics is an offshoot of evolution the same way that David Koresh and the branch Davidians were an offshot of Christianity.
Carl

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#27 Nov 21, 2007
Skin color is the result of one little segment of one gene. Other than that we are pretty much the same. Actually humans and CHIMPANZEES are 98 percent identical genetically. If blacks are infererior, someone had better tell all the black scientists, engineers, artists astronauts, teachers and philosophers to stop being smart. JESUS CHRIST WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP THIS STUPIDITY? I was hoping my kids could grow up in a world that was a little less hateful, from reading the posts on here, I see we have a long way to go.
Guess who

Las Vegas, NV

#28 Nov 21, 2007
How would you discribe evolving? Into what? We all evolved. What's the question?

Since: Mar 07

Fresno, CA

#29 Nov 21, 2007
Believer in science wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know this is what Darwin himself had said?
But if you believe in evolution it might be best not to tell anyone else... This is one of the shames of evolution because it promotes racism. Darwin said that black people had not evovled very much from apes while white people did. He said that in the future the more civilized white people would eleminate the ape-like negros. This inspired many shameful events, such as the Holocaust in which even Hitler wrote in his autobiography "Mienf Kein" that he was inspired by darwin in the struggle for existence to eliminate lower species.
Darwin wasn't right about everything, ya know, even in matters of Evolution. His personal comments still don't negate the strength of the Theory of Evolution. Nice try.
Guess who

Las Vegas, NV

#30 Nov 25, 2007
Alfred Wallace disproved Darwin and Darwin acknowleged his work 10 years before they continued to propagate the theory.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

United States

#31 Nov 25, 2007
Guess who wrote:
Alfred Wallace disproved Darwin and Darwin acknowleged his work 10 years before they continued to propagate the theory.
Wow do you have the history wrong. Go read a book

Since: Mar 07

Fresno, CA

#32 Nov 25, 2007
Even IF Darwin did say his theory was all wrong (which he didn't) all the scientific evidence for the past 150 years makes a STRONG case for the mechanics of Evolution as possible and real. The same can not be said for an Intelligent Designer. I'm not saying there is no Designer, I'm just saying scientific evidence does not support one.
2nd time out

Richmond, VA

#33 Nov 26, 2007
Christopher wrote:
Well, why then do most blacks demonstrate a more "primitive" skull shape--with noticeable prognathism, whereas white and Asian skulls are flatter and less similar to our common ancestors?
I know this sounds bad...I'm not trying to make it racial. I just cannot overlook the reality that blacks have contributed very little to modern society and continue to demonstrate inferior intellectual capabilities.
Ask yourself this: computers, automobiles, and other technologies were created by whites. They didn't have teachers or past experience with such complex systems--they merely created them. I think that says a lot.
Of course you have blacks like myself, which are a minority. But there seems to be far more "naturally" intelligent white and Asians than there are blacks.
christopher' i have a problem believing that you are black. but anyway, for many many years it was taught and many books wrote that said or claimed that,the negro was a beast of the field and evolved from the ape of africa,the home land of both. there is a book called the negro a beast of the field that was wrote in the eary 1900,s and has the seal of the library of congress stamped on the inside.now for what ever it is worth,some years ago at work we had this negro gentleman,that was so black that he actually looked blue and if this gentleman was standing side ways in the sun light,he would give you quite a shock,he looked so much like an ape. but as for his intellect,he was just as capable of anything that was required of him as any one else. but again for what ever it is worth to you,adam was not the father of the negro,nor most of the other races on this earth.he was the father of only one race and they were called the sons of light. all other races are refered to as sons of darkness.
Pots

AOL

#34 Aug 18, 2008
You will find that Darwin himself proposed that evolution is happening right before our very eyes and is so minute that we can't even see it happening. Are blacks more closely related to our ape ancestors? This can be argued to be the case. Their physical features would indicate that they are more ape-like than a caucasion. People of African decent have facial features that more closely resemble the ape. They are often stronger. They score lower on intelligence tests, etc. Even James Watson of Watson/Crick DNA fame recently noted that the black is somewhat behind the white/asian in the evolutionary process. However, this is the type of academic debate that will never be allowed to occur in an open forum. This is unfortunate b/c this is a fascinating topic. However, you will be deemed racist as I am sure I will be from making this post. Very unfortunate.
John

United States

#35 Aug 18, 2008
Jake wrote:
This will be a controversial topic--but do any of you believe that the fact that what became Asian and white populations are more evolved than ones who stayed in Africa?
Would it not be far fetched for one to surmise that traveling by foot thousands of miles over hundreds of years and being faced with various obstacles and challenges that one had to adapt to would over time cause a trend in increased intelligence?
It cannot be denied that those originating from Europe (and Asian) have been responsible for much of what makes modern life modern. I mean, it's just a fact.
Furthermore, why are white and Asian skulls flatter with more pronounced features and larger brain capacities (less similar to ancient ancestors)?
I'm not arguing that there aren't some highly intelligent people of African descent--there are. But overwhelmingly, these observations I think hold some truth.
Thoughts? Opinions?
If you want the fact of the matter, Europeans generally have the least genetic diversity and the greatest susceptibility to genetic diseases. Africans have the most diversity and the least susceptibility to genetic disease. Therefore, logically, Africans are best equipped to evolve.

What does this mean.....well.....nothing. Because those who care about people are developing genetic based diagnoses and medical treatments based on genetic markers. In the long run, character, caring about humans and other species and ability to consider my self as part of a society are the ultimate determinants of survival.

So, the ultimate test of who is fittest: who is most cooperative and compassionate?

Prejudice sux.
John

United States

#36 Aug 18, 2008
Pots wrote:
You will find that Darwin himself proposed that evolution is happening right before our very eyes and is so minute that we can't even see it happening. Are blacks more closely related to our ape ancestors? This can be argued to be the case. Their physical features would indicate that they are more ape-like than a caucasion. People of African decent have facial features that more closely resemble the ape. They are often stronger. They score lower on intelligence tests, etc. Even James Watson of Watson/Crick DNA fame recently noted that the black is somewhat behind the white/asian in the evolutionary process. However, this is the type of academic debate that will never be allowed to occur in an open forum. This is unfortunate b/c this is a fascinating topic. However, you will be deemed racist as I am sure I will be from making this post. Very unfortunate.
Your attitude is unfortunate. Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. See my previous post. If Watson really said that, he is an intelligent fool.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Van Nuys, CA

#37 Aug 18, 2008
Pots wrote:
...People of African decent have facial features that more closely resemble the ape...
False. Dark skin does not equate to facial features. Africans have less prominent brow ridges than even Armenians. Their noses, while wide (like all people from hot areas) are not open nostril. And that demonstrate NO prognatism no matter how the racist sketches of skulls are portrayed.
Pots wrote:
...They are often stronger.
False. Look at the strong men competitions. They are DOMINATED by Nordic peoples.
Pots wrote:
... They score lower on intelligence tests, etc.
Biased and false. This kind of testing fails at the basic level of catagorization.

Testing "blacks" in America requires the ability to CLEARLY define what constitutes a "black".

How many African Americans are of pure African ancestry? 1%? Probably not even that much.
Pots wrote:
...
However, this is the type of academic debate that will never be allowed to occur in an open forum.
That's because the proponents for this kind of racial BS can never answer even the most simple questions such as:

"How do you determine how "black" a person is while testing them?"
Pots wrote:
...However, you will be deemed racist as I am sure I will be from making this post. Very unfortunate.
It's not unfortunate, it's simply the facts.

You are making ridiculous claims which don't even hold up to basic observation, let alone logic or actual scientific testing.
Gman

United States

#38 Aug 30, 2008
We all started out in Africa. But about 50,000 years ago, some groups of homo sapiens left Africa, and other groups remained behind. The ones who left faced dramatic new challenges (surviving through ice age being one of the primary ones)and through natural selection developed new capabilities. The ones who stayed behind faced no new challenges and remained stagnant. This explains the inherent IQ difference between Africans (group who stayed) and European and Asians (group who left). This is simple evolutionary biology. People are uncomfortable with this because it doesn't fit into liberal fanasy (I'd like to give the world a coke...), but is is undeniably our reality.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#39 Aug 30, 2008
Gman wrote:
We all started out in Africa. But about 50,000 years ago, some groups of homo sapiens left Africa, and other groups remained behind. The ones who left faced dramatic new challenges (surviving through ice age being one of the primary ones)and through natural selection developed new capabilities. The ones who stayed behind faced no new challenges and remained stagnant. This explains the inherent IQ difference between Africans (group who stayed) and European and Asians (group who left). This is simple evolutionary biology. People are uncomfortable with this because it doesn't fit into liberal fanasy (I'd like to give the world a coke...), but is is undeniably our reality.
Utter, clueless BS. The people that remained in Africa continued to face new and different challenges as the environments of Africa changed. Studies of the human genome show that evolution continued in Africa after the ancestors of Europeans left the continent.

Gman has posted nothing but racist apologetics.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Van Nuys, CA

#40 Aug 30, 2008
Gman wrote:
We all started out in Africa. But about 50,000 years ago, some groups of homo sapiens left Africa, and other groups remained behind. The ones who left faced dramatic new challenges (surviving through ice age being one of the primary ones)and through natural selection developed new capabilities. The ones who stayed behind faced no new challenges and remained stagnant. This explains the inherent IQ difference between Africans (group who stayed) and European and Asians (group who left). This is simple evolutionary biology. People are uncomfortable with this because it doesn't fit into liberal fanasy (I'd like to give the world a coke...), but is is undeniably our reality.
Yawn.

Typical KKK BS.

First of all, the ice age was a GLOBAL event. It changed environments EVERYWHERE, not just where it was snowing.

Second, it wasn't the only GLOBAL event. Toba, for example, roughly 70,000 years ago, nearly killed people everywhere.

Oh, and by the way, people had been out of Africa for a long time already by the time Toba happened.

Third, this "logic" wouldn't imply that ANY species that left Africa would evolve faster and better out of Africa. That explains why Homo Sapiens never showed up, since the Homo Habilis out of Africa evolved rather than the ones who stayed behind. Ditto Homo Erectus. Ditto Neanderthals. All there of these groups of Humans got their asses handed to them, which is why ONLY the H. Sapiens coming out of Africa are around today.

Frankly I'm bored with these kind of idiotic racist posts. These people understand evolution no better than the Creationists.

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