The Real Message of Creationism

Nov 22, 2010 Full story: TIME.com 539

When the Kansas Board of Education voted recently to eliminate evolution from the state science curriculum, the sophisticates had quite a yuk.

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Valley Village, CA

#350 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
I think He created all of the angels in heaven before He created man. This is why satan, the prideful leader of the fallen angels, is jealous of us and why he tries so hard to corrupt us, why he hates humans.
If Satan hates humans and God why would he torture the bad humans? Why wouldn't Satan relish in the bad humans and torture the good ones?

And why does God torture all humans indiscriminately?

Even if you can come up with a valid motive for Satan, he's only punishing those who fail.

Meanwhile, God is punishing both the good and bad humans regardless of their behavior.
beers

Oswego, IL

#351 Aug 15, 2013
Nuggin Real good at asking questions
Not so good at answering them.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#352 Aug 15, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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So God didn't create the angels. They created themselves? They've been around as long as God?
Why would he deliberately create evil angels? Remember, MAN was given free will, the angels weren't. If an angel is evil it's because God wanted to create an evil superbeing.
All angels are former humans, they became angels when they died. Abel was the first angel. Depending on the way we live our lives determines if we go to heaven when we die. God established a covenant (contract) of life with all of us. The righteous have hope in their death and go to heaven.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#353 Aug 15, 2013
beers wrote:
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You had better if it has West Nile. Something else science can't fix.
Yet.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#354 Aug 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All angels are former humans, they became angels when they died. Abel was the first angel. Depending on the way we live our lives determines if we go to heaven when we die. God established a covenant (contract) of life with all of us. The righteous have hope in their death and go to heaven.
What was Lucifer?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#355 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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this is my interpretation...
God the Father (Spirit), when He speaks, His Word is an action of power, a power that does MANY things. His Word is not just a sound, like our words are.
He took His Word and sent to earth in the flesh.(This shouldn't be so hard to understand since He knits us together in our mothers womb and He knew of us before we were conceived.)
He gave part of His Spirit for us on earth and it's called the Holy Spirit, our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
I think He created all of the angels in heaven before He created man. This is why satan, the prideful leader of the fallen angels, is jealous of us and why he tries so hard to corrupt us, why he hates humans. One reason for the jealousy is because the angels don't get a body, don't get forgiveness, don't get dominion over any planet, but humans do. The angels have a free will just like humans do.
Define "spirit."

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#356 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Given the distributed uses of ruah [;jWr](standing twice as often for the wind/power of God as it does for the breath/feelings/will of the person), mortals cannot see themselves as independent of God. The ruah [;jWr] is living not simply through a surge of vitality, but because of God's initiatives and actions. The link between the anthropological and the divine ruah [;jWr] is not always clear and well defined.
The Old Testament. The Hebrew word for "spirit" is ruah [;jWr]. It appears 389 times in the Old Testament. Its varied use almost defies analysis, but some emphases are discernible. It is used more often of God (136 times) than of persons or animals (129 times).
Its basic meaning is wind (113 times). The trees of the forest sway before a wind ( Isa 7:2 ); a wind sweeps over the waters ( Gen 1:2 ); and the Lord walked in the garden at the breezy time of day ( Gen 3:8 ). It was an east wind that brought locusts ( Exod 10:13 ) and a strong east wind that divided the Red Sea and dried it up ( Exod 14:21 ).
Breath is also a basic meaning of this term. It is the Lord who gives breath to people ( Isa 42:5 ) and to lifeless bodies ( in 1:1 Ezek 37:9-10 in ; this chapter there is a wordplay on ruah [;jWr], allowing it to mean wind, breath, spirit a similar phenomenon is found in John 3:5 John 3:8 ; where pneuma [pneu'ma] means both wind and spirit ). It is also used of bad breathJob's breath was repulsive to his wife ( Job 19:17 ).
By extension when applied to a person ruah [;jWr] comes to mean vital powers or strength. It is the spirit that sustains a person through illness ( Prov 18:14 ), but the spirit of the troubled person can be crushed ( Psalm 34:18 ). This dynamic force can be impaired or diminished as well as renewed or increased. It was a drink that caused the spirit (strength [sunistavw]) of Samson to return and revive him ( Jud 15:18-19 ) and the coming of the wagons from Egypt that revived Jacob's numb heart ( Gen 45:26-27 ). Spirit also bespeaks limitations. When taken back, the person returns to dust ( Psalm 104:29-30 ).
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/b...
That's all very nice. Define "spirit." And, in such a way that doesn't rely on fantasy and made-up shit, please.

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Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#357 Aug 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All angels are former humans, they became angels when they died.
That is exactly the opposite of what the other poster said.

Gather your followers, he'll gather his. You two kill each other. Whoever is left standing gets to decide what the magic reality is.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#358 Aug 16, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
I'd be careful what I said about this list, if I were you. If you must be critical, just criticize me alone.
Since literally ALL information about God comes from MEN it IS the men who are being criticized. We cannot be critical about something which might not even exist except to point out (quite validly) that it might not even exist at all. And even if there is something there's no reason to presume it's anything at all like how you think it is.

Cue Pascal fail.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#359 Aug 16, 2013
beers wrote:
Nuggin Real good at asking questions
Not so good at answering them.
Well here's one for you then.

Can you show one single falsifiable hypothesis produced by Creationism?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#360 Aug 16, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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What was Lucifer?
Lucifer is Jesus, Satans'(Adam) counterfeit messiah. His name was changed when he died and went to heaven. The name means "morning star" and that is who Jesus claimed to be. Rev. 22:16. His OT story is imbedded in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, the stories of Babylon and Tyre. Satan has a counterfeit for almost everything God does and accomplishes a lot of it thru sorcery. Isaiah 57:3. Jesus learned sorcery during the ten years he spent in Egypt. He has been reincarnated and this time will go to hell and his spirit will eventually be snuffed out (drowned) and he will cease to exist.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#361 Aug 16, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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That is exactly the opposite of what the other poster said.
Gather your followers, he'll gather his. You two kill each other. Whoever is left standing gets to decide what the magic reality is.
Reality will be determined by who is resurrected on the Mount of Olives. Zech. 14:4. There is only one second coming, Christians believe in two or three but they also can't agree amongst themselves. Jesus said a house divided will not stand. Christianity will crumble.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#362 Aug 16, 2013
Jesus = Baldur = Khrishna = Mithra...etc.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#363 Aug 16, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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If Satan hates humans and God why would he torture the bad humans? Why wouldn't Satan relish in the bad humans and torture the good ones?
And why does God torture all humans indiscriminately?
Even if you can come up with a valid motive for Satan, he's only punishing those who fail.
Meanwhile, God is punishing both the good and bad humans regardless of their behavior.
Satan is come to steal, kill, and destroy. He is the father of lies and is the deceiver of the whole world.(all humans)

Satan does not relish in the bad humans, he uses them (or anyone he can control) for his purposes, keeps them blinded to that fact, then laughs when they die without God.

What do you mean satan only punishes those who fail?

Your statements about God are incorrect and I won't bother to answer those.
beers

United States

#364 Aug 16, 2013
Strel wrote:
<quoted text>Well here's one for you then.

Can you show one single falsifiable hypothesis produced by Creationism?
Monkeys don't have webbed fingers, and they can't find a missing link.Your turn. Where'd all the water come from?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#365 Aug 16, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Reality will be determined by who is resurrected on the Mount of Olives. Zech. 14:4. There is only one second coming, Christians believe in two or three but they also can't agree amongst themselves. Jesus said a house divided will not stand. Christianity will crumble.
Uhuh, what day was VW day again, Mrs Camping?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#366 Aug 16, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
Your statements about God are incorrect and I won't bother to answer those.
No problem, answered already.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TL0...

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#367 Aug 16, 2013
beers wrote:
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Monkeys don't have webbed fingers, and they can't find a missing link.Your turn. Where'd all the water come from?
He asked you for a falsifiable hypothesis from Creationism.

None of the above fit that criteria.

Do you have a falsifiable hypothesis or not?

Do you know what a falsifiable hypothesis is?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#368 Aug 16, 2013
beers wrote:
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Monkeys don't have webbed fingers
Not in general, no. Not something we would expect to find often in the fossil record.
beers wrote:
and they can't find a missing link.
Here's lots:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
beers wrote:
Your turn. Where'd all the water come from?
Wanna know how much this is relevant to evolution? Not one bit.
beers

Oswego, IL

#369 Aug 16, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Not in general, no. Not something we would expect to find often in the fossil record.

beers wrote, "and they can't find a missing link."

Here's lots:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

beers wrote, "Your turn. Where'd all the water come from? "

Wanna know how much this is relevant to evolution? Not one bit.
Oh you reply with more atheist babble. It's an easy question. If we are so much like monkeys, why don't they have webbed fingers? Posting a atheist forum doesn't count as an answer. It's one thing evolution hasn't proven. Now follow along its your turn to answer my question. How did all the water get here? FYI
If all of Earth's water (oceans, icecaps and glaciers, lakes, rivers, groundwater, and water in the atmosphere was put into a sphere, then the diameter of that water ball would be about 860 miles (about 1,385 kilometers), a bit more than the distance between Salt Lake City, Utah to Topeka, Kansas. The volume of all water would be about 332.5 million cubic miles (mi3), or 1,386 million cubic kilometers (km3). A cubic mile of water equals more than 1.1 trillion gallons. A cubic kilometer of water equals about 264 billion gallons.

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