The Real Message of Creationism

The Real Message of Creationism

There are 538 comments on the TIME.com story from Nov 22, 2010, titled The Real Message of Creationism. In it, TIME.com reports that:

When the Kansas Board of Education voted recently to eliminate evolution from the state science curriculum, the sophisticates had quite a yuk.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at TIME.com.

FREE SERVANT

Ashburn, VA

#331 Aug 15, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Captain Kirk said, "What does God need with a starship?"
http://youtu.be/WYW_lPlekiQ
Are you leading back to Noah and the ARK being lifted above the earth? If you have never heard God is a Spirit and Noah was a flesh and blood human, then you should more closely read the Old and New testaments.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#332 Aug 15, 2013
beers wrote:
blah blah blah blah spam spam spam
Evidently you are not capable of thinking for yourself. I wonder if you have ever really tried.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#333 Aug 15, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Are you leading back to Noah and the ARK being lifted above the earth? If you have never heard God is a Spirit and Noah was a flesh and blood human, then you should more closely read the Old and New testaments.
Been there, done that. It's allegory, parable and mythology.

That, IMHO, in now way diminishes it's value.

Trying to convince people it is literally true diminishes its value.

So cut it out.
FREE SERVANT

Ashburn, VA

#334 Aug 15, 2013
Strel wrote:
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Been there, done that. It's allegory, parable and mythology.
That, IMHO, in now way diminishes it's value.
Trying to convince people it is literally true diminishes its value.
So cut it out.
I have my reasons for believing the God of the Bible is the Spirit that created this earth. I know what Jesus said about God is true and I know what comes out of our mouths can grieve him. It is impossible to please our Creator, if we have no faith that his word is true.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#335 Aug 15, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I have my reasons for believing the God of the Bible is the Spirit that created this earth. I know what Jesus said about God is true and I know what comes out of our mouths can grieve him. It is impossible to please our Creator, if we have no faith that his word is true.
So what?
Does that also mean you think Genesis is literally true? Because it clearly is not.

Again, that does not diminish the value of the message.

There are many kinds of truth. Anyone that tells you different is selling something you really do not want.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#336 Aug 15, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Are you leading back to Noah and the ARK being lifted above the earth? If you have never heard God is a Spirit and Noah was a flesh and blood human, then you should more closely read the Old and New testaments.
Define "spirit."

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#337 Aug 15, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I have my reasons for believing the God of the Bible is the Spirit that created this earth. I know what Jesus said about God is true and I know what comes out of our mouths can grieve him. It is impossible to please our Creator, if we have no faith that his word is true.
Right. A rock proves that everything in the bible is true. Can a similar rock prove the Koran true if it looks like Mohammed going to heaven on a flying horse?

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#338 Aug 15, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
I know what Jesus said about God is true and I know what comes out of our mouths can grieve him.
How incredibly petty and pathetic.

You honestly believe in a sky wizard who is all powerful and has existed forever, but who can get his feelings hurt by some puny nothing of a human?

You think I give a crap what a mosquito thinks about me? I don't. I'm above it. And I'm neither eternal nor all powerful.
beers

Plano, IL

#339 Aug 15, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>How incredibly petty and pathetic.

You honestly believe in a sky wizard who is all powerful and has existed forever, but who can get his feelings hurt by some puny nothing of a human?

You think I give a crap what a mosquito thinks about me? I don't. I'm above it. And I'm neither eternal nor all powerful.
You had better if it has West Nile. Something else science can't fix.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#340 Aug 15, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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How incredibly petty and pathetic.
You honestly believe in a sky wizard who is all powerful and has existed forever, but who can get his feelings hurt by some puny nothing of a human?
You think I give a crap what a mosquito thinks about me? I don't. I'm above it. And I'm neither eternal nor all powerful.
Example: God is grieved in His heart by man's wickedness

“Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.”(Genesis 6:5,6)

God has the same emotions as we do. This is another reason He say we have become like Him, knowing good and evil.

Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.”

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#341 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
God has the same emotions as we do. This is another reason He say we have become like Him, knowing good and evil.
You claim that God is eternal and that he created the Universe. Was he alone when he did that? Or were there a bunch of other gods with him before the Universe??
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#342 Aug 15, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Define "spirit."
Given the distributed uses of ruah [;jWr](standing twice as often for the wind/power of God as it does for the breath/feelings/will of the person), mortals cannot see themselves as independent of God. The ruah [;jWr] is living not simply through a surge of vitality, but because of God's initiatives and actions. The link between the anthropological and the divine ruah [;jWr] is not always clear and well defined.

The Old Testament. The Hebrew word for "spirit" is ruah [;jWr]. It appears 389 times in the Old Testament. Its varied use almost defies analysis, but some emphases are discernible. It is used more often of God (136 times) than of persons or animals (129 times).

Its basic meaning is wind (113 times). The trees of the forest sway before a wind ( Isa 7:2 ); a wind sweeps over the waters ( Gen 1:2 ); and the Lord walked in the garden at the breezy time of day ( Gen 3:8 ). It was an east wind that brought locusts ( Exod 10:13 ) and a strong east wind that divided the Red Sea and dried it up ( Exod 14:21 ).

Breath is also a basic meaning of this term. It is the Lord who gives breath to people ( Isa 42:5 ) and to lifeless bodies ( in 1:1 Ezek 37:9-10 in ; this chapter there is a wordplay on ruah [;jWr], allowing it to mean wind, breath, spirit a similar phenomenon is found in John 3:5 John 3:8 ; where pneuma [pneu'ma] means both wind and spirit ). It is also used of bad breathJob's breath was repulsive to his wife ( Job 19:17 ).

By extension when applied to a person ruah [;jWr] comes to mean vital powers or strength. It is the spirit that sustains a person through illness ( Prov 18:14 ), but the spirit of the troubled person can be crushed ( Psalm 34:18 ). This dynamic force can be impaired or diminished as well as renewed or increased. It was a drink that caused the spirit (strength [sunistavw]) of Samson to return and revive him ( Jud 15:18-19 ) and the coming of the wagons from Egypt that revived Jacob's numb heart ( Gen 45:26-27 ). Spirit also bespeaks limitations. When taken back, the person returns to dust ( Psalm 104:29-30 ).

http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/b...
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#343 Aug 15, 2013
beers wrote:
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You had better if it has West Nile. Something else science can't fix.
Until they develop a vaccine, which they will sooner or later.

Before there was a polio vaccine, did people like you cite this as yet perfected development as evidence that your worldview was right?

I'm sure you did, since logical fallacies are your modus operandi.

That science has not as yet found vaccine for West Nile doesn't mean that you are right. It only means they haven't found a vaccine. And even if they never did, it still would not prove you right.

Logic. You should try it sometime.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#344 Aug 15, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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You claim that God is eternal and that he created the Universe. Was he alone when he did that? Or were there a bunch of other gods with him before the Universe??
I know you already know this.

God the Spirit in represented in 3 persons.

God the Father: lives in Heaven
God the Son: is God's Word who became flesh and came to earth
God the Holy Spirit: the gift of guidance and comforter for the faithful on earth.

I'd be careful what I said about this list, if I were you. If you must be critical, just criticize me alone.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#345 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I know you already know this.
God the Spirit in represented in 3 persons.
God the Father: lives in Heaven
God the Son: is God's Word who became flesh and came to earth
God the Holy Spirit: the gift of guidance and comforter for the faithful on earth.
I'd be careful what I said about this list, if I were you. If you must be critical, just criticize me alone.
You are completely missing the point.

I'm asking were there a bunch of different UNRELATED deities hanging around before the Creation of the universe
_OR_
Was it just "God" (who, by the way, could not have been a 3 parter at that time otherwise it shoots down your entire religion).

If God is a unique being and the one and only deity, then claims that he knew the difference between good and evil prior to the creation of the Universe are bullsh1t.

Neither "Good" nor "Evil" can exist without plurality. A single unique being existing timeless outside of the existence of space can not know good or evil because these concepts require another person.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#346 Aug 15, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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You are completely missing the point.
I'm asking were there a bunch of different UNRELATED deities hanging around before the Creation of the universe
_OR_
Was it just "God" (who, by the way, could not have been a 3 parter at that time otherwise it shoots down your entire religion).
If God is a unique being and the one and only deity, then claims that he knew the difference between good and evil prior to the creation of the Universe are bullsh1t.
Neither "Good" nor "Evil" can exist without plurality. A single unique being existing timeless outside of the existence of space can not know good or evil because these concepts require another person.
He also had angels in heaven who some are good and some became evil.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#347 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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He also had angels in heaven who some are good and some became evil.
Sounds like "Survivor: Pearly Gates".

Yeah.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#348 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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He also had angels in heaven who some are good and some became evil.
So God didn't create the angels. They created themselves? They've been around as long as God?

Why would he deliberately create evil angels? Remember, MAN was given free will, the angels weren't. If an angel is evil it's because God wanted to create an evil superbeing.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#349 Aug 15, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
You are completely missing the point.
I'm asking were there a bunch of different UNRELATED deities hanging around before the Creation of the universe
_OR_
Was it just "God" (who, by the way, could not have been a 3 parter at that time otherwise it shoots down your entire religion).
If God is a unique being and the one and only deity, then claims that he knew the difference between good and evil prior to the creation of the Universe are bullsh1t.
Neither "Good" nor "Evil" can exist without plurality. A single unique being existing timeless outside of the existence of space can not know good or evil because these concepts require another person.
this is my interpretation...

God the Father (Spirit), when He speaks, His Word is an action of power, a power that does MANY things. His Word is not just a sound, like our words are.

He took His Word and sent to earth in the flesh.(This shouldn't be so hard to understand since He knits us together in our mothers womb and He knew of us before we were conceived.)

He gave part of His Spirit for us on earth and it's called the Holy Spirit, our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

I think He created all of the angels in heaven before He created man. This is why satan, the prideful leader of the fallen angels, is jealous of us and why he tries so hard to corrupt us, why he hates humans. One reason for the jealousy is because the angels don't get a body, don't get forgiveness, don't get dominion over any planet, but humans do. The angels have a free will just like humans do.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#350 Aug 15, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
I think He created all of the angels in heaven before He created man. This is why satan, the prideful leader of the fallen angels, is jealous of us and why he tries so hard to corrupt us, why he hates humans.
If Satan hates humans and God why would he torture the bad humans? Why wouldn't Satan relish in the bad humans and torture the good ones?

And why does God torture all humans indiscriminately?

Even if you can come up with a valid motive for Satan, he's only punishing those who fail.

Meanwhile, God is punishing both the good and bad humans regardless of their behavior.

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