Blog: Lawmaker proposes bill that would allow teaching of intelligent design in school

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Where did we come from? How should we explain that to students? One lawmaker has proposed a bill that would allow teachers to teach students about intelligent design -- the theory that life was created by a designing intelligence, often with a religious undertone.

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Cvt6702

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#1 Feb 1, 2014
I can't see what all the fuss is about on this subject, anyone can see that the miracles of creation are true, and every human, animal and the fruits, and foods that have been created are designed to feed and heal the humans of the earth.
But not only that I have been in communication with a being since the late eighties who appered to me as jesus and another one as God and they have given me prophecies which came to pass and they have also did healings on people on their death beds who have survived.
And in addition to that I am on a daily basis in communication with spirits of the dead who were my realtives when they walked the earth and other guides who have appeared to me are former President John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert and others too numerous to mention.
Now what we need is for scientists to do more research into what I say and consult other psychic channells and help me prove some of these things and then they won't have so much controversy on this religious aspect and will think more along scientific lines as to how can we all prove this to everyones satisfaction.
Not only that I have also solved the so called demons in the bible because now I know the beings that Jesus referred to as Demons, are nothing more than the spirits of the dead who are back to prove to some people that they can't get away with treating them the way they did when they walked the earth and now from the other side they are back to seek vengance in many cases.
FREE SERVANT

United States

#2 Feb 1, 2014
Cvt6702 wrote:
I can't see what all the fuss is about on this subject, anyone can see that the miracles of creation are true, and every human, animal and the fruits, and foods that have been created are designed to feed and heal the humans of the earth.
But not only that I have been in communication with a being since the late eighties who appered to me as jesus and another one as God and they have given me prophecies which came to pass and they have also did healings on people on their death beds who have survived.
And in addition to that I am on a daily basis in communication with spirits of the dead who were my realtives when they walked the earth and other guides who have appeared to me are former President John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert and others too numerous to mention.
Now what we need is for scientists to do more research into what I say and consult other psychic channells and help me prove some of these things and then they won't have so much controversy on this religious aspect and will think more along scientific lines as to how can we all prove this to everyones satisfaction.
Not only that I have also solved the so called demons in the bible because now I know the beings that Jesus referred to as Demons, are nothing more than the spirits of the dead who are back to prove to some people that they can't get away with treating them the way they did when they walked the earth and now from the other side they are back to seek vengance in many cases.
Are you an American Indian by any chance?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#3 Feb 1, 2014
Cvt6702 wrote:
I can't see what all the fuss is about on this subject, anyone can see that the miracles of creation are true, and every human, animal and the fruits, and foods that have been created are designed to feed and heal the humans of the earth.
But not only that I have been in communication with a being since the late eighties who appered to me as jesus and another one as God and they have given me prophecies which came to pass and they have also did healings on people on their death beds who have survived.
And in addition to that I am on a daily basis in communication with spirits of the dead who were my realtives when they walked the earth and other guides who have appeared to me are former President John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert and others too numerous to mention.
Now what we need is for scientists to do more research into what I say and consult other psychic channells and help me prove some of these things and then they won't have so much controversy on this religious aspect and will think more along scientific lines as to how can we all prove this to everyones satisfaction.
Not only that I have also solved the so called demons in the bible because now I know the beings that Jesus referred to as Demons, are nothing more than the spirits of the dead who are back to prove to some people that they can't get away with treating them the way they did when they walked the earth and now from the other side they are back to seek vengance in many cases.
Note to those promoting the teaching of Intelligent Design in public schools. The individual who wrote the above post is on YOUR side.

'Nuf said.

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#4 Feb 1, 2014
Cvt6702 wrote:
I can't see what all the fuss is about on this subject, anyone can see that the miracles of creation are true, and every human, animal and the fruits, and foods that have been created are designed to feed and heal the humans of the earth.
But not only that I have been in communication with a being since the late eighties who appered to me as jesus and another one as God and they have given me prophecies which came to pass and they have also did healings on people on their death beds who have survived.
And in addition to that I am on a daily basis in communication with spirits of the dead who were my realtives when they walked the earth and other guides who have appeared to me are former President John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert and others too numerous to mention.
Now what we need is for scientists to do more research into what I say and consult other psychic channells and help me prove some of these things and then they won't have so much controversy on this religious aspect and will think more along scientific lines as to how can we all prove this to everyones satisfaction.
Not only that I have also solved the so called demons in the bible because now I know the beings that Jesus referred to as Demons, are nothing more than the spirits of the dead who are back to prove to some people that they can't get away with treating them the way they did when they walked the earth and now from the other side they are back to seek vengance in many cases.
Creationists say the funniest things...
Don

Sioux Falls, SD

#5 Feb 1, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Note to those promoting the teaching of Intelligent Design in public schools. The individual who wrote the above post is on YOUR side.
'Nuf said.
Believe it or not, there are intelligent, well-educated people who believe in God. There is a book that even Athiests know about, the Holy Bible. In that Book is a quote, The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. It won't do you people any good to post some nonsense and claim "one of our people" posted it.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#6 Feb 1, 2014
Don wrote:
<quoted text>
Believe it or not, there are intelligent, well-educated people who believe in God. There is a book that even Athiests know about, the Holy Bible. In that Book is a quote, The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. It won't do you people any good to post some nonsense and claim "one of our people" posted it.
We are not talking about belief in God, we are talking about Creationism/Intelligent Design. People can believe in God and accept Evolution.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#7 Feb 1, 2014
Don wrote:
<quoted text>
Believe it or not, there are intelligent, well-educated people who believe in God. There is a book that even Athiests know about, the Holy Bible. In that Book is a quote, The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. It won't do you people any good to post some nonsense and claim "one of our people" posted it.
You misread me. The person I was responding to is a crank. Pure and simple.

I absolutely realize that a great number (most?) Christians or persons of other faiths are both intelligent AND can reconcile their faith with the findings of science, including the Theory of Evolution.

For example: The Clergy Letter Project.

http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christi...

(12,934 Christian Clergy signatures as of 02/01/14)

"Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook.

Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.

We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.

We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."
Cvt6702

AOL

#8 Feb 2, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Are you an American Indian by any chance?
No.
Cvt6702

AOL

#9 Feb 2, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Note to those promoting the teaching of Intelligent Design in public schools. The individual who wrote the above post is on YOUR side.
'Nuf said.
I'm not a creationist, I am not here to promote any sort of religion, I am just a psychic communicator much like Edgar Cayce and many others were, and I am in communication with the spirits of the dead every day, as I have been since the late eighties when I first began doing this, and so far few people believe in this kind of work.
some of the people I have had the most problems with in trying to get them to believe in what I know are various religious faiths including preachers of all denominations, priests and just about everyone, including athiests who say they believe in nothing to do with religion.
What I do know is I am able to speak and see my realtives and others in spirit who have been working through me since the late eighties as I tell my story and just try to g et people to believe scientifically in the possiblity of humans who have passed over can come back and speak through channells and do automatic writing through us just as we are doing now.
I am hoping more scientific minds will get involved in all this and help me and other psychic prove life after death.
when a human dies and the spirit leaves the body, it takes with it all its intelligence, and memories good and or bad, and from there it can find someone like me who develops their ability to communicate with them and continue to share their ideas with that human back on earth as a way to prove life after death and the survival of the intelligence man displays while on earth.
Many so called dead have appeared to me and told their stories, like former President John F. Kennedy, his brother Robert F. Kennedy, three of my realtives and Dr. Petas from Toledo, Ohio who died in l985, they all want everyone to believe they are alive and can communicate through people like me who lose their fear of the dead and want to help further scientific research.
Since I have been communicating with these people in spirit, now called souls I have much to share with the world which I hope will be embrased by scientific minds who will set out to help prove what I say and of course there are many psychics out there who know the kinds of things I know, but few people believe in psychics and if they do they do it through secret readings and things like that, because most scientific minds like psychiatrists think people who claim to do what I do are just plain crazy. The Great Randy and his followrs will tell you that the things I say are impossible, but its not I'm just an ordinary person with an ordinary mind who has taught myself to communicate and I believe anyone can do it if they want to pick up a book or two authoried about and with Psychic Edgar Cayce and see how he did it the way I did.
If I can do it anyone can.
Cvt6702

AOL

#10 Feb 2, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
You misread me. The person I was responding to is a crank. Pure and simple.
I absolutely realize that a great number (most?) Christians or persons of other faiths are both intelligent AND can reconcile their faith with the findings of science, including the Theory of Evolution.
For example: The Clergy Letter Project.
http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christi...
(12,934 Christian Clergy signatures as of 02/01/14)
"Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook.
Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.
We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.
We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."
The last lines that you write are exactly as I feel.
As a person, a psychic who communicates with the spirits of the dead on a daily basis, I seek my scientific minds to explore these things.
I accept the bible, and everyones belief in it because it offers much good, but I can't accept that we should not dabble in the spirit world, because spirits up there want to communicate, and I have learned there is good and evil there just as jesus said, but the angry spirits called demons in my opinion are unhappy spirits who want people to believe in their existance and their ability to communicate with us. Therefore I believe more scientific minds needs to explore this life beyond earth, because the intelligence of man leaves the dead body and goes to live and communicate from the world beyond, and some are here to do good, not just the demons that the bible tells us about.
Don

Sioux Falls, SD

#11 Feb 2, 2014
Cvt6702 wrote:
<quoted text>
The last lines that you write are exactly as I feel.
As a person, a psychic who communicates with the spirits of the dead on a daily basis, I seek my scientific minds to explore these things.
I accept the bible, and everyones belief in it because it offers much good, but I can't accept that we should not dabble in the spirit world, because spirits up there want to communicate, and I have learned there is good and evil there just as jesus said, but the angry spirits called demons in my opinion are unhappy spirits who want people to believe in their existance and their ability to communicate with us. Therefore I believe more scientific minds needs to explore this life beyond earth, because the intelligence of man leaves the dead body and goes to live and communicate from the world beyond, and some are here to do good, not just the demons that the bible tells us about.
Since the Holy Bible prohibits the very thing you say you do, communicating with the dead, how can you be a Christian? If you accept Jesus, you would also accept what He tells Christians to do. When you speak with spirits of the dead, you are communicating with demons.
FREE SERVANT

United States

#12 Feb 2, 2014
Don wrote:
<quoted text>
Since the Holy Bible prohibits the very thing you say you do, communicating with the dead, how can you be a Christian? If you accept Jesus, you would also accept what He tells Christians to do. When you speak with spirits of the dead, you are communicating with demons.
You are so right Don. The Bible warns against trying to communicate with familiar spirits. All the dead are waiting judgement and there is nothing anyone living can do to hurt or help them as far as I have studied about this.
Don

Sioux Falls, SD

#13 Feb 2, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>You are so right Don. The Bible warns against trying to communicate with familiar spirits. All the dead are waiting judgement and there is nothing anyone living can do to hurt or help them as far as I have studied about this.
It is easy enough to tell that the poster knows little about the Holy Bible. The verses referring to King Saul going to the woman at Endor to speak to the deceased Samuel is well-known. The Lord killed Saul and his sons the very next day.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#14 Feb 3, 2014
Don wrote:
Believe it or not, there are intelligent, well-educated people who believe in God.
And of those people, they at least know the difference between religious beliefs and promoting pseudo-scientific creationism in public school science classes, for two very good reasons:

1 - ID/Creationism isn't science, therefore would lead to kids growing up believing in God and NOT being well educated people.

2 - Teaching it violates the First Amendment, opening schools up to potential expensive lawsuits.
Don wrote:
There is a book that even Athiests know about, the Holy Bible. In that Book is a quote, The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
And I'm sure atheists would also know it's silly to fear invisible beings for which there is zero scientific evidence, which would contradict the Bible's assertion.
Don wrote:
It won't do you people any good to post some nonsense and claim "one of our people" posted it.
You're right. As you can see, Mikey here (FREESERVANT) is not even the slightest bit bothered that the post was somewhat insane, but rather is arguing over whether it jives with his particular religious beliefs. So obviously rational scientific discourse is not what the fundies are interested in in the slightest.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#15 Feb 3, 2014
Don wrote:
Since the Holy Bible prohibits the very thing you say you do, communicating with the dead, how can you be a Christian?
Quite easily. Just say he/she is a Christian.

After all when it comes to religious beliefs you can believe in whatever you like. That's why they're called beliefs. From that point on it's just a case of different Christians arguing over who's is the "best" or "correct" way to pray, which is WHY there's so many different sects of Christianity in the first place. Then they can all fight over who is a "true" Christian and who isn't. But since none of them are God, none of them have any right to say really.(shrug)
Don wrote:
If you accept Jesus, you would also accept what He tells Christians to do. When you speak with spirits of the dead, you are communicating with demons.
And how do you know you aren't doing that when you pray?

Of course there is something else you have yet to take into account - is there any objectively verifiable evidence that these "demons" of yours even exist?

Something tells me you won't care and prefer to continue with the No True Scotsman fallacy.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#16 Feb 3, 2014
Don wrote:
<quoted text>
It is easy enough to tell that the poster knows little about the Holy Bible. The verses referring to King Saul going to the woman at Endor to speak to the deceased Samuel is well-known. The Lord killed Saul and his sons the very next day.
No, no, NO!

It wasn't Saul, it was King Gorneesh of the Duloks who went to Morag the Tulgah Witch. But the Ewoks discovered their little ploy and managed to expose their deception before the giant Phlogs destroyed their village.
Don

Sioux Falls, SD

#17 Feb 3, 2014
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
No, no, NO!
It wasn't Saul, it was King Gorneesh of the Duloks who went to Morag the Tulgah Witch. But the Ewoks discovered their little ploy and managed to expose their deception before the giant Phlogs destroyed their village.
Who was the guy in The Wizard of Oz who needed a brain?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#18 Feb 3, 2014
Don wrote:
<quoted text>
Who was the guy in The Wizard of Oz who needed a brain?
Look in the mirror, Don. All YOU are doing is parroting the stale theology of a certain kind of Protestant fundamentalist Christianity and claiming that is "The Truth™" because, well, you've been brought up to believe that it IS The Truth.

Anyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian. It's a matter of personal belief and opinion.
cujo

Regina, Canada

#19 Feb 3, 2014
Cvt6702 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a creationist, I am not here to promote any sort of religion, I am just a psychic communicator much like Edgar Cayce and many others were, and I am in communication with the spirits of the dead every day, as I have been since the late eighties when I first began doing this, and so far few people believe in this kind of work.
some of the people I have had the most problems with in trying to get them to believe in what I know are various religious faiths including preachers of all denominations, priests and just about everyone, including athiests who say they believe in nothing to do with religion.
What I do know is I am able to speak and see my realtives and others in spirit who have been working through me since the late eighties as I tell my story and just try to g et people to believe scientifically in the possiblity of humans who have passed over can come back and speak through channells and do automatic writing through us just as we are doing now.
I am hoping more scientific minds will get involved in all this and help me and other psychic prove life after death.
when a human dies and the spirit leaves the body, it takes with it all its intelligence, and memories good and or bad, and from there it can find someone like me who develops their ability to communicate with them and continue to share their ideas with that human back on earth as a way to prove life after death and the survival of the intelligence man displays while on earth.
Many so called dead have appeared to me and told their stories, like former President John F. Kennedy, his brother Robert F. Kennedy, three of my realtives and Dr. Petas from Toledo, Ohio who died in l985, they all want everyone to believe they are alive and can communicate through people like me who lose their fear of the dead and want to help further scientific research.
Since I have been communicating with these people in spirit, now called souls I have much to share with the world which I hope will be embrased by scientific minds who will set out to help prove what I say and of course there are many psychics out there who know the kinds of things I know, but few people believe in psychics and if they do they do it through secret readings and things like that, because most scientific minds like psychiatrists think people who claim to do what I do are just plain crazy. The Great Randy and his followrs will tell you that the things I say are impossible, but its not I'm just an ordinary person with an ordinary mind who has taught myself to communicate and I believe anyone can do it if they want to pick up a book or two authoried about and with Psychic Edgar Cayce and see how he did it the way I did.
If I can do it anyone can.
ID IS creationism. Renaming something doesn't change what it is.
Don

Sioux Falls, SD

#20 Feb 3, 2014
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Look in the mirror, Don. All YOU are doing is parroting the stale theology of a certain kind of Protestant fundamentalist Christianity and claiming that is "The Truth™" because, well, you've been brought up to believe that it IS The Truth.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian. It's a matter of personal belief and opinion.
It is a matter of calling from God. No Christian is one from birth. A Christian is also not one from baptism. How many minister's children have not become Christian, many.

Christians proclaim the truth because it is the truth proclaimed to them by God. If you don't believe, the truth of Christianity isn't negated. It only means you haven't been called to believe. If you reject God, that is your disbelief that guides your actions. God will continue to exist, and He will continue as sovereign of all Creation.

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