Half of Americans believe in creationism and just 15 percent accept evolution

Jun 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daily Mail

Nearly half of Americans believe God created mankind in a single day about 10,000 years ago, a literal interpretation of the Bible, according to a new survey that shows the view toward evolution in the United States hasn't changed in 30 years.

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LGK wrote:
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How does the natural even come to exist without the supernatural, given what we know about cause & effect?.
This is a problem whether you posit a supernatural being or purely natural existence. Either the supernatural being had to be created (it is something and therefore couldn't have come from nothing, following your argument) or it always existed. If your god had to be created, what created it? And if you claim your god always existed without having been caused, then there is no need for a god.
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(1) A thing can't cause itself to exist without existing 1st. This rules out the natural as the cause of the natural.
Not if the natural simply exists because the nature of existence is for it to exist. Again, this argument also falsifies a god.
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(2) An effect can't be greater than its effect. This virtually rules out the natural as cause of the natural. It's insufficient so we we neeed a cause than the natural i.e. super-natural..
Now you are just making s**t up.
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So science pre-supposes the supernatural otherwise there'd be no natural on which to do science.
YOUr premises failed so your conclusion is invalid. Science assumes only the natural.
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<.. And supernatural does not refer to as yet unexplained. It means transcending nature..
Those are empty words. Describe the existence of something that does not exist in nature. Don't just claim it is; show your reasoning.
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As for theist evolution, this is complete nonsense due to lack of nerves. It's supporters are afraid of being called unscientific so they compromise. They also want to have both ways.
Agreed.
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I am a YEC & on this point have more respect for atheist evolutionism.
Sorry, should have read this first. There is nothing to discuss with you as YEC is lunatic to the point of calling for institutionalization.
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<..Finally, whether evolution is true or false has nothing to do with how many believe ir disbelieve it. It's either true or it isn't.
Correct. Evolution is an observed fact.
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>>>LGK
How does the natural even come to exist without the supernatural, given what we know about cause & effect? Here are 2 little points:

(1) A thing can't cause itself to exist without existing 1st. This rules out the natural as the cause of the natural.

>>>Gillette
Unless the universe, i.e. the natural, has always existed in one form or another.

You ASSUME things have to be "created," because you're a programmed Jesus Freak.

>>>LGK
As for theist evolution, this is complete nonsense due to lack of nerves. It's supporters are afraid of being called unscientific so they compromise.

>>>Gillette
They aren't afraid of anything. They are merely intelligent enough not to deny 150 years of scientific evidence.

As Augustine said, way back in the 3rd century (paraphrase): "If science (or proven human knowledge) contradicts your INTERPRETATION of the Bible, you need to re-investigate your interpretation of the Bible and modify it as necessary."

>>>LGK
I am a YEC & on this point have more respect for atheist evolutionism.

>>>Gillette
None of us have any respect for YOU, for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that you hold a number of whackjob conspiracy beliefs in addition to idiot Christian Creationism, including the belief that man never landed on the moon and that the landings were faked in Hollywood.

>>>LGK
Finally, whether evolution is true or false has nothing to do with how many believe ir disbelieve it. It's either true or it isn't.

>>>Gillette
It IS true, according to 150 ears of scientific research. Your crackpot Young Earth Bible creation story is patently false and silly.
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LGK wrote:
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How does the natural even come to exist without the supernatural, given what we know about cause & effect? Here are 2 little points:
(1) A thing can't cause itself to exist without existing 1st. This rules out the natural as the cause of the natural.
Particle/anti-particle pairs disagree with you. Of course you ignore this and your incredulity demands "supernatural" causation for anything you don't understand.
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(2) An effect can't be greater than its effect. This virtually rules out the natural as cause of the natural. It's insufficient so we we neeed a cause than the natural i.e. super-natural.
Senseless babble.
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So science pre-supposes the supernatural otherwise there'd be no natural on which to do science. And supernatural does not refer to as yet unexplained. It means transcending nature.
Science does no such thing. You're lying.

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As for theist evolution, this is complete nonsense due to lack of nerves. It's supporters are afraid of being called unscientific so they compromise. They also want to have both ways.
They don't compromise due to pressure from a minority group of atheist scientists, and to claim that such a minority can inspire such fear is absurd. In fact the ones who are scared of atheists the most are fundies. That's why they're so frakking paranoid. Theists who accept science (which certainly ain't you El) simply acknowledge that reality doesn't fit a literalistic interpretation of the Bible.
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I am a YEC & on this point have more respect for atheist evolutionism.
Your baseless opinions are irrelevant. Just as they've always been. And again I have to point out that evolution is no more "atheistic" than gravity, but you still keep pushing your straw-man anyway. That's what dishonest creationists do, because they're completely incapable of handling reality.

Oh, and you forgot to mention that as well as being a typical dishonest fundie YEC you're also an AIDS denier and moon-landing conspiracy theorist. As well as a big jessie-wuss wuss as you tend to run away from inconvenient evidence and throw a tantrum and not talk to anyone you consider "meanies".
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Finally, whether evolution is true or false has nothing to do with how many believe ir disbelieve it. It's either true or it isn't.
And so far the evidence indicates that it is true. Young Earth Creationism doesn't even come close to being a valid alternative - in fact it hasn't even turned up to the starting block.
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IRYW wrote:
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This is a problem whether you posit a supernatural being or purely natural existence. Either the supernatural being had to be created (it is something and therefore couldn't have come from nothing, following your argument) or it always existed. If your god had to be created, what created it? And if you claim your god always existed without having been caused, then there is no need for a god.
Hey, cause and effect is the FRAKKING LAW! Uh, except when he needs it not to be...
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Sorry, should have read this first. There is nothing to discuss with you as YEC is lunatic to the point of calling for institutionalization.
Oh, you have no idea...

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IRYW

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Hey, cause and effect is the FRAKKING LAW! Uh, except when he needs it not to be...
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Oh, you have no idea...
:-p
He denies the Apollo moon missions? Really?
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IRYW wrote:
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He denies the Apollo moon missions? Really?
Yup. And shares Jonny Well's views about AIDS.

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