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FriendsOfLiberty

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Mar 6, 2008
 
Dear Bob, where is the evidence for a "National Sunday Law"? The Catholic Church is not in charge of the world, and there is no evidence to support the idea that the Roman Catholic Church is becoming an empire, so I find it hard to understand why on earth a Sunday Law would be passed, or even what a Sunday Law would mean? What is it anyway? A government-imposed day off? The "forcing" of worship on Sunday? What? This makes no sense. With the bio-chip already invented, and already implanted in animals and now migrating to elderly humans and children, why would anyone think the Mark of the Beast is a "National Sunday Law"? The eventual consequence of this so-called "War on Terror" is to form a closed society to keep out so-called "terrorists" and to ascertain who is not one, and who chooses to join the closed society. Microchip RFID is the way to not only track people but their financial and health history. Buying and selling would then only be allowed for those identified as carrying this electronic mark on the right hand or forehead (the two places where body temperature fluctuates most-the way to keep the chip powered without batteries). Now, which of the two seems most likely to be the mark of the beast--a government-imposed tracking and ID system, or a government-imposed holiday?
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Mar 7, 2008
 
FriendsOfLiberty wrote:
Dear Bob, where is the evidence for a "National Sunday Law"? The Catholic Church is not in charge of the world, and there is no evidence to support the idea that the Roman Catholic Church is becoming an empire, so I find it hard to understand why on earth a Sunday Law would be passed, or even what a Sunday Law would mean? What is it anyway? A government-imposed day off? The "forcing" of worship on Sunday? What? This makes no sense. With the bio-chip already invented, and already implanted in animals and now migrating to elderly humans and children, why would anyone think the Mark of the Beast is a "National Sunday Law"? The eventual consequence of this so-called "War on Terror" is to form a closed society to keep out so-called "terrorists" and to ascertain who is not one, and who chooses to join the closed society. Microchip RFID is the way to not only track people but their financial and health history. Buying and selling would then only be allowed for those identified as carrying this electronic mark on the right hand or forehead (the two places where body temperature fluctuates most-the way to keep the chip powered without batteries). Now, which of the two seems most likely to be the mark of the beast--a government-imposed tracking and ID system, or a government-imposed holiday?
Glad you ask. Here’s how prof. Veith puts it:

Why is the Sabbath commandment so relevant to God’s law, and why is there such importance attached to the keeping of the particular day? The answer lies in the wording of the commandment which contains the seal of God.

The Sabbath commandment is not only the heart of the ten commandments, but it is the seal of the commandments. Remove it and the commandments have no authority or official seal.

A seal contains three specifications:
- the name of the writer of the law,- his office, and - the name of the territory over which he rules.

Only the fourth commandment has these three items:- Yhwh God (God’s Name)- Creator (His office, position)- Heaven and earth (His territory).
Remove this commandment and any adherent of any religion could subscribe to the other nine. A change in the seal means a change of rulership, it implies a new authority with power to implement laws. Obedience to new laws ratified by the seal of authority entails submission to that authority. This was ever Satan’s aim - to place his authority above that of the throne of God. By claiming authority as lawgiver, and enforcing his seal, in opposition to the seal of God, Satan shifts the position of authority from God to himself. Obedience to his seal (or mark) of authority means subjection to his government in direct opposition to that of God. This is the ultimate apostasy. When mankind submits to this spurious seal and openly confesses it by the proclamation of laws for the maintenance of Sunday, then man would have fully subjected himself to Satan’s reign. Until such laws are enacted, freedom of choice is still possible. The mark of the beast only leads to ultimate separation from God once individuals are forced to choose whom they wish to obey. If they choose to obey God in this issue, then the penalty is persecution. If they choose to obey the earthly authorities, then the penalty is separation from God. All will have to make this choice.

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/the-mark-of-the...

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Mar 7, 2008
 
Robert wrote:
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Glad you ask. Here’s how prof. Veith puts it:
Why is the Sabbath commandment so relevant to God’s law, and why is there such importance attached to the keeping of the particular day? The answer lies in the wording of the commandment which contains the seal of God.
The Sabbath commandment is not only the heart of the ten commandments, but it is the seal of the commandments. Remove it and the commandments have no authority or official seal.
A seal contains three specifications:
- the name of the writer of the law,- his office, and - the name of the territory over which he rules.
Only the fourth commandment has these three items:- Yhwh God (God’s Name)- Creator (His office, position)- Heaven and earth (His territory).
Remove this commandment and any adherent of any religion could subscribe to the other nine. A change in the seal means a change of rulership, it implies a new authority with power to implement laws. Obedience to new laws ratified by the seal of authority entails submission to that authority. This was ever Satan’s aim - to place his authority above that of the throne of God. By claiming authority as lawgiver, and enforcing his seal, in opposition to the seal of God, Satan shifts the position of authority from God to himself. Obedience to his seal (or mark) of authority means subjection to his government in direct opposition to that of God. This is the ultimate apostasy. When mankind submits to this spurious seal and openly confesses it by the proclamation of laws for the maintenance of Sunday, then man would have fully subjected himself to Satan’s reign. Until such laws are enacted, freedom of choice is still possible. The mark of the beast only leads to ultimate separation from God once individuals are forced to choose whom they wish to obey. If they choose to obey God in this issue, then the penalty is persecution. If they choose to obey the earthly authorities, then the penalty is separation from God. All will have to make this choice.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/the-mark-of-the...
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Ah, but Robert, the Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday.
Robert

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Mar 7, 2008
 
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Ah, but Robert, the Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday.
You're certainly right there DS.
Did I claim that Sunday was?!

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Mar 7, 2008
 
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You're certainly right there DS.
Did I claim that Sunday was?!
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Well, yes - indeed you did, in a round-about fashion. Friends of Liberty asked for evidence for a "Sunday Day of Rest" law, to which you responded with a "glad-you-asked" kind of post. Note that you presented the case "for", not the case "against."
~(:->)
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Ossuary wrote:
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Well, yes - indeed you did, in a round-about fashion. Friends of Liberty asked for evidence for a "Sunday Day of Rest" law, to which you responded with a "glad-you-asked" kind of post. Note that you presented the case "for", not the case "against."
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Yes he asked for that. I've not responded to that. I can show him that later if he wants to know. I've responded to what might be the mark of the beast: A national holiday or something else...
Friends of Liberty asked because of my post no 17, where I make it clear that the upcoming Sunday law is the mark of the beast. And if you read the info on the mark of the beast (the link in post 22), you can see that this is so.
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Robert wrote:
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Yes he asked for that. I've not responded to that. I can show him that later if he wants to know. I've responded to what might be the mark of the beast: A national holiday or something else...
Friends of Liberty asked because of my post no 17, where I make it clear that the upcoming Sunday law is the mark of the beast. And if you read the info on the mark of the beast (the link in post 22), you can see that this is so.
"I make it clear that the upcoming Sunday law is the mark of the beast." What putrid claptrap! I'm reminded of the dread fear in which European nations huddled, on the threshold of the second millennium, and how the world held its breath on the threshold of the third. Be as pusillanimous as you wish, Robert; you'll tremble alone.
FriendsOfLiberty

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Mar 7, 2008
 
Robert, we must remember that the Sabbath was a mere foreshadowing of things to come (Jesus), and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus did work on the Sabbath (healing the sick, the blind, the crippled, etc.), at which the Jewish leaders of the day gasped in horror, because they, with the legalisms they created over the centuries, thought that to lift a finger on this day was blasphemy (to carry a load of sticks over a distance, they would carry the load only a certain distance, drop one stick, and start their journey anew-very silly indeed). Jesus showed us that man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man, not to burden us with such legalisms as the Jewish leaders did, but to have rest. Sunday is now the Lord's day, for he was risen on this day, and this ressurection and His sacrifice on the cross was the entire purpose of His coming. This is why Sunday is the Lord's day. As for a "National Sunday Law," I see no evidence of it. For it to be national, it must be a law passed by government, and enforced by police. There is no evidence of this ever happening.
Robert

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#29
Mar 7, 2008
 
FriendsOfLiberty wrote:
Robert, we must remember that the Sabbath was a mere foreshadowing of things to come (Jesus), and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus did work on the Sabbath (healing the sick, the blind, the crippled, etc.), at which the Jewish leaders of the day gasped in horror, because they, with the legalisms they created over the centuries, thought that to lift a finger on this day was blasphemy (to carry a load of sticks over a distance, they would carry the load only a certain distance, drop one stick, and start their journey anew-very silly indeed). Jesus showed us that man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man, not to burden us with such legalisms as the Jewish leaders did, but to have rest. Sunday is now the Lord's day, for he was risen on this day, and this ressurection and His sacrifice on the cross was the entire purpose of His coming. This is why Sunday is the Lord's day. As for a "National Sunday Law," I see no evidence of it. For it to be national, it must be a law passed by government, and enforced by police. There is no evidence of this ever happening.
The Sabbath was (and still is) a day of rest. In it we should reflect upon the wonders of God. His mercy, His creation etc. That which foreshadowed things to come was the sacrificial system. And this ended when the ultimate sacrifice was done (Jesus death on the cross).
Jesus did not work on the Sabbath. There is a difference between working for gain and working because people has physical needs. It is not forbidden to save lives on the Sabbath (hospitals). Not forbidden to quench fires (fire department). Nor for the police to be a helping hand to society. Jesus said that it is not forbidden to do good, during the Sabbath. The Sabbath keepers of these categories working this day, can still pay service to the Lord, quietly in their mind. This has got nothing to do with legalism. Legalism is when you invent new rules in order to be a help to uphold the original rules (like you described about the stick).

Jesus says that in no way shall the Law be changed. No where in the bible it says that the day of worship should move from Saturday to Sunday. But it says in the book of Daniel that the man of sin (the papacy) should think of changing times and laws.
The pope will come to the white house in April. The upcoming Sunday law will be on the program.

Catholics first duty to earthly powers is to the pope. Secondly to the government in the country which they live in. So in order to promote the papacy’s interest, catholics in leading positions has to follow the program of the church in order to shape the laws of the country according to her will.
Haven’t you noticed how the pope is presently speaking of the Sunday. This is to prepare for the Sunday laws. This is prepared secretly behind the scenes, so any evidence for it is not easy to find. But on the day these laws will be passed I guess the real evidence is there.

Have a look at what the prophet of the SDA’s, says about changing or putting the Law out of effect:

Many religious teachers assert that Christ by His death abolished the law, and men are henceforth free from its requirements…

The law of God, from its very nature, is unchangeable…

http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc27...
Robert

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Mar 7, 2008
 
And what she says about the plans of the catholic church and the upcoming Sunday law:

Sunday-sabbath, will be repeated; already it is beginning to be urged. And a movement to enforce Sunday observance is fast gaining ground.
Marvelous in her shrewdness and cunning is the Roman Church. She can read what is to be. She bides her time, seeing that the Protestant churches are paying her homage in their acceptance of the false sabbath and that they are preparing to enforce it by the very means which she herself employed in bygone days. Those who reject the light of truth will yet seek the aid of this self-styled infallible power to exalt an institution that originated with her. How readily she will come to the help of Protestants in this work it is not difficult to conjecture. Who understands better than the papal leaders how to deal with those who are disobedient to the church?

The Roman Catholic Church, with all its ramifications throughout the world, forms one vast organization under the control, and designed to serve the interests, of the papal see. Its millions of communicants, in every country on the globe, are instructed to hold themselves as bound in allegiance to the pope. Whatever their nationality or their government, they are to regard the authority of the church as above all other. Though they may take the oath pledging their loyalty to the state, yet back of this lies the vow of obedience to Rome, absolving them from every pledge inimical to her interests...

Protestants little know what they are doing when they propose to accept the aid of Rome in the work of Sunday exaltation. While they are bent upon the accomplishment of their purpose, Rome is aiming to re-establish her power, to recover her lost supremacy. Let the principle once be established in the United States that the church may employ or control the power of the state; that religious observances may be enforced by secular laws; in short, that the authority of church and state is to dominate the conscience, and the triumph of Rome in this country is assured...

God's word has given warning of the impending danger; let this be unheeded, and the Protestant world will learn what the purposes of Rome really are, only when it is too late to escape the snare. She is silently growing into power. Her doctrines are exerting their influence in legislative halls, in the churches, and in the hearts of men. She is piling up her lofty and massive structures in the secret recesses of which her former persecutions will be repeated. Stealthily and unsuspectedly she is strengthening her forces to further her own ends when the time shall come for her to strike. All that she desires is vantage ground, and this is already being given her. We shall soon see and shall feel what the purpose of the Roman element is. Whoever shall believe and obey the word of God will thereby incur reproach and persecution...

http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc35...

Sunday Law by Stealth:

http://ktfministry.org/resources/sermons/serm...

Rome’s challenge:

Vatican Admits that Sunday is NOT the Biblical Sabbath ... Rome's Challenge to Protestants…

http://www.benabraham.com/html/rome_s_challen...

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/chalng.htm

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FriendsOfLiberty

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Mar 8, 2008
 
"The pope will come to the white house in April. The upcoming Sunday law will be on the program."

How do you know that this "upcoming Sunday law will be on the program."?

"Haven’t you noticed how the pope is presently speaking of the Sunday."

He may indeed be doing this, but all clergy have been speaking of Sunday for 2 millenia.

"This is prepared secretly behind the scenes, so any evidence for it is not easy to find."

My next question is obvious but, if it is a secret, how would you know about it, and if you do know, then how is it that you are privy to this secret information?

We Christians worship on Sunday because it is the day of His resurrection. If I rest on Saturday and worship God on Sunday, what law have I broken?

Besides, if Christians already worship on Sunday, then why is there need for a "Sunday Law" to force people to do what they already do in the first place?

"The law of God, from its very nature, is unchangeable…"

This is not true. Are you circumsized? Have you sacrificed to God your most spotless ram or sheep lately? Have you taken anyone outside the city gates and stoned him for blaspheming God, or stoned a woman for committing adultery, or stoned anyone for violating the Sabbath? There are 660 minor commandments aside from the 10 major ones. Have none of these become null and void since Christ's time on earth?

Wasn't Joseph Bates the father of this "Sunday Law" in 1844? Didn't he develop this doctrine because he needed an issue to differentiate his followers from other Christians? Wasn't Bates a "Millerite," a follower of William Miller, who admitted that he was in error when he went contrary to Jesus' warning that no one would know the time of His coming, and made several end-time calculations which never came to pass? So, we have a "National Sunday Law" issue, based on a doctrine of "Sunday Law" of Joseph Bates, who was a follower of a false teacher named William Miller.

I may, of course, be wrong about this but, it just doesn't make sense for a government to pass a law enforcing through the threat of violence a religious act already in common practice.
Robert

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#32
Mar 9, 2008
 
FriendsOfLiberty wrote:
My next question is obvious but, if it is a secret, how would you know about it, and if you do know, then how is it that you are privy to this secret information?
It’s revealed through the Bible (Rev. 13: 16; Rev. 14: 12), and through E.G. White (last day prophet). As the writers of the Bible are inspired by God, so is she. I recommend you read her most recommended work:“The Great Controversy”. It reveals the future as it is in the Bible. Anyone who understands that she’s a true prophet is privy to this information. However, the secret workings of the ruling powers will be revealed before the end shall come.
The Great Controversy: http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc.h...
You can get the book in the nearest SDA-church.
FriendsOfLiberty wrote:
We Christians worship on Sunday because it is the day of His resurrection. If I rest on Saturday and worship God on Sunday, what law have I broken?
If you rest during the Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), and direct your thoughts to the Creator and worship Him, you’re doing well. If you continue to worship on Sunday you acknowledge earthly powers which stands in opposition to God. Many Sunday worshipping Christian starts to discover the true Sabbath, and change their worship to that day. This is what God requires when the last call for humanity will sound. Those who do this will receive the Seal of God. Those who don’t will receive the mark of the beast and be lost.
Please read the info provided with the links in my last post.
FriendsOfLiberty wrote:
"The law of God, from its very nature, is unchangeable…"

This is not true. Are you circumsized? Have you sacrificed to God your most spotless ram or sheep lately? Have you taken anyone outside the city gates and stoned him for blaspheming God, or stoned a woman for committing adultery, or stoned anyone for violating the Sabbath?
The law of God, the moral law, meaning the ten commandments. You’re mixing it with the ceremonial law (circumcision, animal offerings), which was ended on the cross (and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease… Dan. 9: 27)
If the law of God could be changed (ten comm.), then Christ didn’t have to die on the cross.
Robert

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Mar 9, 2008
 
FriendsOfLiberty wrote:
So, we have a "National Sunday Law" issue, based on a doctrine of "Sunday Law" of Joseph Bates, who was a follower of a false teacher named William Miller.
William Miller was right about the prophetic time of 1844. But because he thought that “the cleansing of the sanctuary”(Dan. 8: 14), meant the return of Christ, he didn’t dare to ignore it. He was well aware of the text that we cannot know the day. So he must have been puzzled. God is not going to judge him for this. Afterwards both Miller and Bates and those who were waiting for Christ’s return, realized the mistake, and understood that the sanctuary in this text meant the heavenly sanctuary.
The Bible says that we cannot know the day, but we can indeed know when the day approaches – 1 Thess. 5: 4
FriendsOfLiberty wrote:
I may, of course, be wrong about this but, it just doesn't make sense for a government to pass a law enforcing through the threat of violence a religious act already in common practice.
The authorities (church and state will join) will do it through the influence of Satan. His object is to make every man bow to him (through bowing to the pope). Those who refuse to acknowledge that the false Sabbath should be held in stead of the true Sabbath, will be subject to persecution, commencing with economical sanction. Through miracles and wonders this fallen angel will convince the world. He will even appear as Christ (returned) to mankind, saying that he has moved Sabbath worship from Saturday to Sunday. Those who do not have firmly Bible knowledge will certainly be deceived.

Read what ex-jesuit priest Alberto Rivera has revealed of the plans of the “Mother of the churches”.
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0114/godf...

The secrets of the Jesuits (by Jim Arrabito)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Mar 9, 2008
 
Robert wrote:
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It’s revealed through the Bible (Rev. 13: 16; Rev. 14: 12), and through E.G. White (last day prophet). As the writers of the Bible are inspired by God, so is she.
Here's a question for you:

If your god is SO POWERFUL and SO AMAZING, then WHY does your god choose to LIMIT his speech?

I mean, WHY choose someone like "EB White"?

Why not speak DIRECTLY to EACH PERSON ON EARTH, in an UNAMBIGUOUS WAY?

Is that impossible for your god to do?

Why?

I THOUGHT that you said your god was powerful..... apparently not!
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#35
Dec 18, 2010
 
I agree with you Robert. Polonium 214 does exist. It's part of the uranium 238 decay chain. See http://www.atral.com/U2381.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238 . I suppose it's one of those inconvenient truths.
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Recently there have been evolutionists online in newsgroups and on blogs that have claimed Polonium 214 doesn't exist. Main reason being is because they declare the Granite in the earth's crust took many millions of years to form and finally cool and Polonium 214 takes less then a second to expend all its half-lifes. In order to save face, some evolutionists have decided to lie and say Polonium 214 simply doesn't exist. HOWEVER, if you click here: http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/su...
you will see one of many online Scientific websites that list the element Polonium 214 to be found on Planet earth. On that page they share evidence that Polonium 214 is in fact a chemical profile that can and has been recorded by many scientists. Praise the Lord we have yet another factoid to prove evolution is a lie of Satan.
Evolution; the artificial escape from the God of creation.
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Dec 18, 2010
 
I agree with Robert. Polonium 214 does exist. It's part of the uranium 238 decay chain. See http://www.atral.com/U2381.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238 . I suppose it's one of those inconvenient truths.

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Dec 18, 2010
 
Forrest wrote:
I agree with Robert. Polonium 214 does exist. It's part of the uranium 238 decay chain. See http://www.atral.com/U2381.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238 . I suppose it's one of those inconvenient truths.
As far as I know, "Robert" was simply lying; no one denies Po 214 exists!

It forms continuously as part of the U 238 decay sequence; its presence is expected...there's nothing "wrong" with finding it.

Roberts "point" is that it DOESN'T form regularly, and finding it within rocks is therefore "proof" of an Earth only a few thousand years old! He is wrong, of course...
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Dec 20, 2010
 
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Hello Hexene.
It’s not surprising that some scientist shows up with a contra analysis which seem to prove
Gentry wrong. I understand that they have to come up with something, to defend their theory. Otherwise billions would come out of the dark they’re now captured in.
Since I cannot myself say anything (I’m only Ph. D. Carpenter) against the analysis here shown, I will forward it to Gentry, or someone who can detect the flaws in Mr. Brawley’s
arguments. We will see if they can say anything against it, or if they can refer to a link maybe. When, and if, I hear something I will get back to you. Meanwhile, think of this; don’t you think it’s strange that evolutionists end up becoming creationists?
Beware of Sunday laws (the mark of the beast)
Critics of Gentry, including Thomas A. Baillieul (Baillieul 2005) and John Brawley (Brawley 1992), have pointed out that Po-218 is a decay product of radon, which as a gas can be given off by a grain of uranium in one part of the rock and migrate to another part of the rock to form a uraniumless halo. Apparently a large number of radon atoms are caught or adsorbed at a particular point. This has not been proved experimentally, but is supported by the fact that Gentry's "polonium halos" are found along microscopic cracks in rocks that also contain uranium halos (Wakefield 1988).[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiohalo ]

" don’t you think it’s strange that evolutionists end up becoming creationists?"

I do not know of one yet( you are just full of sh!t )
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Mar 3, 2013
 
Where can i find poloniun 214?

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