And that's why we call them IDiots

Jun 17, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Pharyngula

Profile The time appears to me to have come when it is the duty of all to make their dissent from religion known.

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“Science is the waytof truth”

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#1 Jun 18, 2011
I dissent. Forget ID. I have been engaging many theists in a much simpler question--why do you believe in God?

Bottom line is, they don't understand that the claims made by others---by themselves--are only evidence about the claimant. There is no debate that theists exist, the question is, is what they believe true?

They often reply "You can't prove it isn't", and when I demonstrate that there is no proof in life, but that I can, in fact, demonstrate that it is among the least persuasive and most remarkable of ideas, they respond by giving "evidence":
1. I've always believed it.
2. Millions believe it.
3. Scripture supports it.

Then I point out that

1. Belief is STILL not evidence.
2. Millions believe contradictory things, including demon possession and alien abduction, and that close examination never supports these claims, and that these claim are only evidence about the human mind.
3. Everything in scripture that can be validated against the world is wrong. Therefore scripture is NOT of the creator. Therefore scripture is only a claim--only evidence about the authors.

And then, if they keep engaging at all, they whine about how I'm trying to rob their life of meaning (I am not) or how morality cannot exist without theism (It can--and must) or, ultimately, how they just want to believe (knew that--sad).

And that's why we call them fools.

“Religion is Superstition”

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#2 Jun 19, 2011
I may have to borrow a few of these tactics for my own use.

“Uroplatus Phantasticus”

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#3 Jun 19, 2011
nothingUnreal wrote:
I dissent. Forget ID. I have been engaging many theists in a much simpler question--why do you believe in God?
Bottom line is, they don't understand that the claims made by others---by themselves--are only evidence about the claimant. There is no debate that theists exist, the question is, is what they believe true?
They often reply "You can't prove it isn't", and when I demonstrate that there is no proof in life, but that I can, in fact, demonstrate that it is among the least persuasive and most remarkable of ideas, they respond by giving "evidence":
1. I've always believed it.
2. Millions believe it.
3. Scripture supports it.
Then I point out that
1. Belief is STILL not evidence.
2. Millions believe contradictory things, including demon possession and alien abduction, and that close examination never supports these claims, and that these claim are only evidence about the human mind.
3. Everything in scripture that can be validated against the world is wrong. Therefore scripture is NOT of the creator. Therefore scripture is only a claim--only evidence about the authors.
And then, if they keep engaging at all, they whine about how I'm trying to rob their life of meaning (I am not) or how morality cannot exist without theism (It can--and must) or, ultimately, how they just want to believe (knew that--sad).
And that's why we call them fools.
Ahhh... at last intelligent life. Beam me up Scotty. lol

“Uroplatus Phantasticus”

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#4 Jul 23, 2011
Uhh?.....Scotty?.....dude!.... ...it's getting kinda cold down here?

““You must not lose faith ”

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#5 Jul 26, 2011
It can't even be claimed that two god believers have the same idea of god.
Each has it's unique image.
If god's life depended upon it we would see a small ...poof!

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