Intelligent Design - Deist style

Intelligent Design - Deist style

There are 54 comments on the Examiner.com story from Dec 12, 2009, titled Intelligent Design - Deist style. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

Deist emblem. Deism is based on the belief in a Designer of the universe. We don't try to sneak anything in.

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#45 Feb 21, 2010
LowellGuy wrote:
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That is a bunch of malarkey. Perhaps people with a 3rd grade education find it compelling, but we don't.
I really don't care if you find it compelling. The facts are that these systems were ordered from their beginnings to produce and sustain life on this earth.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#46 Feb 21, 2010
TOPMOST wrote:
<quoted text>I really don't care if you find it compelling. The facts are that these systems were ordered from their beginnings to produce and sustain life on this earth.
Actually, it was life that addapted to the environment on earth, not the other way around as you suggest (above).

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#47 Feb 21, 2010
oops....one too many "d" in adapted.

Poo.
TOPMOST

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#48 Feb 21, 2010
Kong_ wrote:
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Actually, it was life that addapted to the environment on earth, not the other way around as you suggest (above).
What I am suggesting is that all these systems work together to produce an effect, and I see this purpose as being life on earth. I think life was the outcome, and species that adapted and found life sustaining food then survived to fill a place for them. However like I said before, some species may have been the cause of others dieing out.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#49 Feb 21, 2010
TOPMOST wrote:
<quoted text>What I am suggesting is that all these systems work together to produce an effect, and I see this purpose as being life on earth. I think life was the outcome, and species that adapted and found life sustaining food then survived to fill a place for them. However like I said before, some species may have been the cause of others dieing out.
But it appears that your "system" is reliant upon it being pre-ordained.

There is just no evidence to support that conclusion.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#51 Feb 21, 2010
TOPMOST wrote:
<quoted text>I really don't care if you find it compelling. The facts are that these systems were ordered from their beginnings to produce and sustain life on this earth.
The facts are that potholes were shaped exactly to fit the puddles that reside within them. That's your argument. Does it sound reasonable? Or, is it more reasonable to say the puddle forms to fit the pothole?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#52 Feb 21, 2010
TOPMOST wrote:
<quoted text>What I am suggesting is that all these systems work together to produce an effect, and I see this purpose as being life on earth. I think life was the outcome, and species that adapted and found life sustaining food then survived to fill a place for them. However like I said before, some species may have been the cause of others dieing out.
Life is the OUTCOME, but outcome is not the same as PURPOSE. The outcome of 2 + 3 is 5, but the purpose of 2 + 3 is not to create 5.
Sheila

Texarkana, TX

#53 Feb 21, 2010
Purpose? What purpose? Whose purpose?... purrpuss, this word perturbs my line of reasoning, how does purpose have anything to do with evolution? Does it (evolution) have purpose, does the universe have purpose, does gravity, light? Or are they just there? Maybe consciousness? An "original" purpose or goal would suggest a *single-minded* source of all this evolving. I find it hard to believe that a super creator would just sit back and allow us to be so flawed because, to me, that would suggest we're simply *entertainment* for the very bored.
DID

United States

#54 Feb 22, 2010
Sheila wrote:
Purpose? What purpose? Whose purpose?... purrpuss, this word perturbs my line of reasoning, how does purpose have anything to do with evolution? Does it (evolution) have purpose, does the universe have purpose, does gravity, light? Or are they just there? Maybe consciousness? An "original" purpose or goal would suggest a *single-minded* source of all this evolving. I find it hard to believe that a super creator would just sit back and allow us to be so flawed because, to me, that would suggest we're simply *entertainment* for the very bored.
The purpose of a man is to love a woman , The purpose of a woman is to love a man, la la la love.
FREE BIRD BREEZE

Jacksonville, FL

#56 Jan 7, 2014
The Dude wrote:
So what's the "scientific theory" of SCPID?
(sound of crickets chirping)
Kitten-hating sockpuppets.
Did you ever find out?
FREE SERVANT

United States

#57 Jul 13, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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But it appears that your "system" is reliant upon it being pre-ordained.
There is just no evidence to support that conclusion.
By reason of deduction we can say that natures God has set up a system of systems which follow and recreate patterns to be followed be successive generations, and the God of the Bible is reported to show patterns in a manner such as this. The universe is a product of his Word which is like a seed according to Jesus, and yes a seed has preordered information as to what will unfold.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#58 Jul 13, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>By reason of deduction we can say that natures God has set up a system of systems which follow and recreate patterns to be followed be successive generations, and the God of the Bible is reported to show patterns in a manner such as this. The universe is a product of his Word which is like a seed according to Jesus, and yes a seed has preordered information as to what will unfold.
Word salad, totally devoid of "reason".
FREE SERVANT

United States

#59 Jul 13, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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Word salad, totally devoid of "reason".
Much information is available regarding patterns in nature which recur in regularities and are self-organizations. In living things many times two different chemical signals activate and deactivate growth to set up patterns of development which come about through cycles that are within each system that brings about the unfolding of the given patterned information. The rationality that these are intelligently formulated and established is making sense of verified facts.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#60 Jul 13, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Much information is available regarding patterns in nature which recur in regularities and are self-organizations. In living things many times two different chemical signals activate and deactivate growth to set up patterns of development which come about through cycles that are within each system that brings about the unfolding of the given patterned information.
No disagreement here. In fact, I am quite sure I am aware of many more "systems", and "patterns", and "cycles" than you are.
Nature is chock full of 'em.
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The rationality that these are intelligently formulated and established is making sense of verified facts.
This is where you have departed from reason.
You have not one iota of evidence to determine that an "Intelligence" exists which is responsible for what you're describing. Logically, you will first have to provide evidence for the SOURCE of this intelligence, before ascribing that intelligence as the author of those properties.

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