Intelligent Design - Deist style

Intelligent Design - Deist style

There are 54 comments on the Examiner.com story from Dec 12, 2009, titled Intelligent Design - Deist style. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

Deist emblem. Deism is based on the belief in a Designer of the universe. We don't try to sneak anything in.

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GEEK

United States

#1 Dec 17, 2009
If there is a design to the universe; then everything would tend to follow the patterns of this design. If there is no specific design then we would find many diverse species and organisms tending not to follow patterns.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#2 Dec 17, 2009
GEEK wrote:
If there is a design to the universe; then everything would tend to follow the patterns of this design. If there is no specific design then we would find many diverse species and organisms tending not to follow patterns.
Why? Just because we can perceive the way chemistry works does not mean that there is a design behind the chemistry.

Why can not the laws of chemistry and physics be the result of a few simple principle. A few simple principle that give rise, by way of emergent properties, to the complexity we see around us.
Bible Belt

United States

#3 Dec 17, 2009
GEEK wrote:
If there is a design to the universe; then everything would tend to follow the patterns of this design. If there is no specific design then we would find many diverse species and organisms tending not to follow patterns.
Patterns change with the environment, and any of the numerous groups of various species are predisposed to follow the patterns set into the system they are assigned to by design.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#4 Dec 17, 2009
Bible Belt wrote:
<quoted text> Patterns change with the environment, and any of the numerous groups of various species are predisposed to follow the patterns set into the system they are assigned to by design.
Oh, THAT'S why we don't find animals with feet and legs living in water ...

or animals with fins and gills living in the air ...

or animals with wings and feathers living in the water ...

or animals with fur and claws living in the air ...

or animals with fur and claws living in the water.

Each environment has a very specific pattern set into the system for that environment. It all makes so much sense now.
Sheila

Texarkana, TX

#5 Dec 17, 2009
MIDutch wrote:
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Oh, THAT'S why we don't find animals with feet and legs living in water ...
or animals with fins and gills living in the air ...
or animals with wings and feathers living in the water ...
or animals with fur and claws living in the air ...
or animals with fur and claws living in the water.
Each environment has a very specific pattern set into the system for that environment. It all makes so much sense now.
Ducks live on and in water, sea otters live in the water, and bats have fur,claws, and fly through the air. There are exceptions.
Nuggin

La Quinta, CA

#6 Dec 17, 2009
Sheila wrote:
<quoted text>Ducks live on and in water, sea otters live in the water, and bats have fur,claws, and fly through the air. There are exceptions.
He was being sarcastic.
Nuggin

La Quinta, CA

#7 Dec 17, 2009
Bible Belt wrote:
<quoted text> Patterns change with the environment, and any of the numerous groups of various species are predisposed to follow the patterns set into the system they are assigned to by design.
What rational reason can you give for multiple animals of radically different features inhabiting more or less the exact same environment, exploiting the same resources?

If there were a designer, surely there would be a "best" creature for a given task and it would be assigned to it.

There are literally thousands of species of ant. Why not just 1? Or 2?

And, why is it that ants take care of leaf litter in 99% of the worlds temperate and tropical forests, yet there are forests where there are no ants and instead crabs do this job?

Why did the designer make dozens of different species of jumping spider which have overlapping ranges if there is no obvious physical difference between them?

What rational reason can you give for fresh water dolphins in the Amazon and Gangese rivers?

What rational reason can you give for the dozen or so species of penguin?

This claim of yours fails basic observation. Set aside completely the whole of scientific knowledge and all experimentation. Set aside everything we know of geology, biology, genetics and chemistry.

Just approaching it from the "Is this a rational theological argument?" you STILL fail. Any designer with the capacity to do the job surely wouldn't make all the mistakes which are apparent to even a casual observer.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#8 Dec 17, 2009
Sheila wrote:
<quoted text>Ducks live on and in water, sea otters live in the water, and bats have fur,claws, and fly through the air. There are exceptions.
I think that was his point.

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

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#9 Dec 17, 2009
Nuggin wrote:
Just approaching it from the "Is this a rational theological argument?" you STILL fail. Any designer with the capacity to do the job surely wouldn't make all the mistakes which are apparent to even a casual observer.
Though logical, your position will always be countered by this icon of crushing stupidity: "My god COULD have done it that way."
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#10 Dec 18, 2009
So what's the "scientific theory" of SCPID?

(sound of crickets chirping)

Kitten-hating sockpuppets.
Sheila

Texarkana, TX

#11 Dec 18, 2009
Nuggin wrote:
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He was being sarcastic.
Alright already, I was reading and typing with my eyes shut I was so sleepy. I'm seeing the beginning of the post now. So, ok.
Bible Belt

United States

#12 Dec 18, 2009
Nuggin wrote:
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What rational reason can you give for multiple animals of radically different features inhabiting more or less the exact same environment, exploiting the same resources?
If there were a designer, surely there would be a "best" creature for a given task and it would be assigned to it.
There are literally thousands of species of ant. Why not just 1? Or 2?
And, why is it that ants take care of leaf litter in 99% of the worlds temperate and tropical forests, yet there are forests where there are no ants and instead crabs do this job?
Why did the designer make dozens of different species of jumping spider which have overlapping ranges if there is no obvious physical difference between them?
What rational reason can you give for fresh water dolphins in the Amazon and Gangese rivers?
What rational reason can you give for the dozen or so species of penguin?
This claim of yours fails basic observation. Set aside completely the whole of scientific knowledge and all experimentation. Set aside everything we know of geology, biology, genetics and chemistry.
Just approaching it from the "Is this a rational theological argument?" you STILL fail. Any designer with the capacity to do the job surely wouldn't make all the mistakes which are apparent to even a casual observer.
The species that are the most capable of following these changing patterns are the ones that continue to live. Our designer has all the power it takes to do the work and HE does not make mistakes like man has made. At the risk of being accused of preaching, I must tell you some words from our Creator. GENESIS 17&18&19 ( And unto Adam he said, Behold cause thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to thee;and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.) By these words the cycle of death came into existence, and everything from there on has a life cycle. All of this created nature follows the design of the Creator and death is in the design.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#13 Dec 18, 2009
Bible Belt wrote:
<quoted text>The species that are the most capable of following these changing patterns are the ones that continue to live. Our designer has all the power it takes to do the work and HE does not make mistakes like man has made.
All them babies he killed?

The pish-poor job he did at convincing the world of his existence?

Leaving the writing of his holy book to a bunch of superstitious goat-herders who couldn't get the words to match up to the reality that he created?

Not poofing tanks and mini-guns into existence for his home team causing (him and) them to be defeated by men in iron chariots?
Brotha of the Unborn

Norfolk, VA

#14 Feb 11, 2010
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Why? Just because we can perceive the way chemistry works does not mean that there is a design behind the chemistry.
Why can not the laws of chemistry and physics be the result of a few simple principle. A few simple principle that give rise, by way of emergent properties, to the complexity we see around us.
Did you know the DVD Maafa 21 makes mention of Charles Darwin? I suggest you check it out through the web-site of Life Dynamics Incorporated!!
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#15 Feb 11, 2010
Brotha of the Unborn wrote:
<quoted text>Did you know the DVD Maafa 21 makes mention of Charles Darwin? I suggest you check it out through the web-site of Life Dynamics Incorporated!!
Sure, if you're interested in conspiracy theories.(yawn)
Sheila

Texarkana, TX

#16 Feb 11, 2010
The Dude wrote:
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Sure, if you're interested in conspiracy theories.(yawn)
Stop yawning, boredom is contagious you know.
Greg

Stanton, KY

#18 Feb 12, 2010
The Dude wrote:
So what's the "scientific theory" of SCPID?
(sound of crickets chirping)
Kitten-hating sockpuppets.
Does this theory claim that systems have patterns and they are moving back and forth from maximum to a minimum like a cycle?
READMORE

United States

#20 Feb 12, 2010
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>Does this theory claim that systems have patterns and they are moving back and forth from maximum to a minimum like a cycle?
SCPID claims that most observed operating systems function with exertion of force as tension that in many of these systems, exhibits oscillated patterns. One way of understanding some of this is by using the law of averages. Median statistics is also needed here. One simple example would be to use a spring that is like the one in a wound clock. The oscillated pattern of a spring would be minimum before the spring is wound and maximum tension when it is wound tight and back to minimum when it unwinds to stop its motion. If we applied the spring to a clock face with the 12 numbers and it takes generally 12 hours for the spring to unwind, after many cycles of winding and unwinding we can arrive at a medium number through the law of averages, and we know that with median statistics the middle point should always be around 6 hours on the clock face.
READMORE

United States

#22 Feb 14, 2010
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>Does this theory claim that systems have patterns and they are moving back and forth from maximum to a minimum like a cycle?
This nw theory of SCPID claims the universe is made up of systems, and all these systems have cycles that move to and fro. We can see this at work in nature when we see peaks and valleys. When these systems arrive back at a minimal in a cycle, they are producing their purposed effect, and after this result has been achieved the system has cycled.
Anoracle

Titusville, FL

#23 Feb 14, 2010
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YOU FOOLS ARE IDIOTS! THE "BIBLE" IS A HAND-BOOK FOR 'KILLERS'!
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WAKE UP ALL YOU "RELIGIOUS" IMBECILES!
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"Scriptures"? "Bibles"? "God"? "Santa Claus"? "Jesus"?'GARBAGE'!
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PORNOGRAPHY, HAND-BOOKS FOR MURDER, FRATRICIDE, PARACIDE, MURDER!
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LIES FILTH DETRIMENT CESSPOOLS STINKING FUNGAL DISEASE VIRUSES!
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----------RELIGION IS ORGANIZED CRIME!
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Don't you IDIOTS ever read the NEWSPAPERS? MUSLIMS KILL THEIR KIDS!
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---And "Christians" "save 'FETUSES" so they can KILL THEM IN A WAR!
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----------"Priests" and "Confessors"! are "KILLERS"! "MURDERERS"!
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And a LOT of them are "PEDOPHILES" who FONDLE & RAPE LITTLE KIDS!
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But, the "WORST FORM of "CHILD-ABUSE" is "CORRUPTING THEIR MINDS"!
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Which is a PRIMARY function of "RELIGIONS" indoctrination of the
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innocent children and fools they SNARE into their EVIL SCHEMES!
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"Scriptures"? "Bibles"? "God"? "Santa Claus"? "Jesus"? GARBAGE!
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PORNOOGRAPHY, AND, HOW-TO BOOKS FOR MURDER, SLAVERY, & SODOMY!
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ALL USED TO SPREAD A "PANDEMIC PLAGUE OF THE MIND" RELIGION!
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ITS "MIND-CONTROL"! "MIND-CONTROL"! "MIND-CONTROL"!

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