'Freedom' bill yet to see a final vote

'Freedom' bill yet to see a final vote

There are 26 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Apr 28, 2008, titled 'Freedom' bill yet to see a final vote. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Though the Senate passed its "academic freedom" bill Wednesday, the House has not yet voted on its version, which is quite different.

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Saint Petersburg, FL

#26 Apr 28, 2008
You are so full of CRAP. People like you wont be happy until the entire country is full of Fundamental Christian MADRASAS. Mind you, this school would have to be practicing YOUR particular brand of "Christianity". God forbid it was "Presbyterian" or "Methodist" instead of (for example) "Baptist". "Because they aint REAL Christians" aint they?


Walla Walla, WA

#27 Apr 28, 2008
Diogenes wrote:
It seems strange to me that liberals who want to preach (uh-oh - wrong word)...I meant want to holler and cry that students are not given alternate concepts to consider such as homosexuality, are the same ones who are now crying that students are given too much information and opposing concepts. It's not that the students are getting too much information. It's that liberals realize students would be getting information that undermines the liberal's agenda and ideology.
I was taught both concepts through school and saw no problem with believing whatever I wanted later in life.
Not quite sure where you are going with the comingling of evolution and homosexuality - but -

First, if you, or anyone else, has a scientifically valid theory for the diversification of life on earth, by all means teach it along side ToE. Trouble is, you don't. You have religious mythology. Which is fine (the invention of gods and religion is itself evolutionary - yeah, ironic isn't it!), but it isn't science. If it isn't science, why would you want to teach it in science class? It's like making a demand that because of what you think your particular version of god wants you to think, that we should all be forced to teach Auto Shop in English Lit. Sure, you could, but why would you?

Now as to your alternative concepts to homosexuality - Do you understand that sexual orientation is a multivariate based in genetics, hormonal baths inutero, neuronal plasticity, neuroanatomy, etc.? Do you understand that sexual orientation is not a conscious choice? After all, did you awaken one day and suddenly decide to be straight? Just because your particular version of god thinks gays are icky, it doesn't mean gays are icky. It just means that's what you want your version of god to think.

Walla Walla, WA

#28 Apr 28, 2008
Diogenes wrote:
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Sorry but evolution is still a "theory". Check it out before you pass judgement. And by the way, some universities and even high schools teach both mythology and religion. And as long as they don't promote religion over and other belief then you shouldn't have anything to be afraid of.
I think I've figured out the problem here. You are arguing from a position of ignorance. For instance, you don't even understand the scientific definition of theory. You don't even understand that in science, theory is as high as it gets. Theories never get "proven". They never get "promoted" to fact or law. Evolution, like gravity is both fact and theory. Evolution happens. We see it every day. We make predictions based on it. The theory is - the exact mechanisms by which it happens.

As to the mythology - Do you realize that there are well over a thousand different creation myths? Every culture had at least one. All are mutually exclusive - that means that no 2 can both be true. There is one thing that all these myths have in common - the evidence they have to support themselves. That would be Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada. So it you're gonna teach one as a valid alternative to Toe, you're gonna have to teach them all.

United States

#31 Apr 28, 2008
Diogenes wrote:
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And without faith you have nothing. http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/len...
Any time something is partially false then it can’t be accepted as true. While evolution has compelling facts not all of it has been proven. Until all of it can be proven then it has to be accepted as theory. Even a liberal should be able to understand that.
There are even theories of divine intervention taking place DURING evolution. That would give another explanation, but of course you can’t accept that either. You can accept nothing but your way. You offer no reason for not allowing creationism to be taught along with other theories other than "it doesn't belong"? That's a weak argument.
You remind me of a jealous husband who is so insecure of himself that he goes berserk when his wife looks at another guy. If you so sure of yourself you shouldn’t mind other’s points of view and not try to stop others from seeing it.
Let's ignore the obvious, that the complete absence of falsifying evidence doesn't constitute inherent "evidence of falsity." It's still very thin ice upon which you choose to skate, Diogenes: "Any time something is partially false then it can’t be accepted as true. While evolution has compelling facts not all of it has been proven."

If you really and truly embrace that principle, then you are going to have a hard time sustaining your religious perspective. With this kind of attitude, any single proof of "biblical error" must constitute collapse of faith, mustn't it? Or is it that you hold "science" and "faith" to different standards of viability?
The Dude


#32 Apr 29, 2008

Sorry, I dunno what came over me there.


>>>"There are even theories of divine intervention taking place DURING evolution."

And what uh, "THEORIES" are those? What repeatable testable predictions do they make? How does one test for the "divine"? The floor's all yours.

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#33 Apr 29, 2008
*crickets chirping*

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