'Freedom' bill yet to see a final vote

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Though the Senate passed its "academic freedom" bill Wednesday, the House has not yet voted on its version, which is quite different.

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Apr 28, 2008
 
If Crist signs the anti-evolution "academic freedom" bill, it will cost this state millions. Perhaps we will be rid of him sooner than expected.
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It seems strange to me that liberals who want to preach (uh-oh - wrong word)...I meant want to holler and cry that students are not given alternate concepts to consider such as homosexuality, are the same ones who are now crying that students are given too much information and opposing concepts. It's not that the students are getting too much information. It's that liberals realize students would be getting information that undermines the liberal's agenda and ideology.

I was taught both concepts through school and saw no problem with believing whatever I wanted later in life.

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Apr 28, 2008
 
Diogenes wrote:
It seems strange to me that liberals who want to preach (uh-oh - wrong word)...I meant want to holler and cry that students are not given alternate concepts to consider such as homosexuality, are the same ones who are now crying that students are given too much information and opposing concepts. It's not that the students are getting too much information. It's that liberals realize students would be getting information that undermines the liberal's agenda and ideology.
I was taught both concepts through school and saw no problem with believing whatever I wanted later in life.
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It's the mentality that it's my way, or it's no way.
Science is based upon posing questions (theories) and proving or disproving them. I was taught both as well and I too believe what I want to believe.
People are afraid of the unknown. Faith gives some people the ability to believe in something so that they're no longer afraid. Those without a faith are afraid to be wrong so will do whatever is possible to make sure they're not wrong. Unfortunately, children are losing out on critical thinking skills when we spoon feed them one thing or the other.
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Apr 28, 2008
 
Diogenes wrote:
It seems strange to me that liberals who want to preach (uh-oh - wrong word)...I meant want to holler and cry that students are not given alternate concepts to consider such as homosexuality, are the same ones who are now crying that students are given too much information and opposing concepts. It's not that the students are getting too much information. It's that liberals realize students would be getting information that undermines the liberal's agenda and ideology.
I was taught both concepts through school and saw no problem with believing whatever I wanted later in life.
Loud applause to you!

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Apr 28, 2008
 
Diogenes wrote:
It seems strange to me that liberals who want to preach (uh-oh - wrong word)...I meant want to holler and cry that students are not given alternate concepts to consider such as homosexuality, are the same ones who are now crying that students are given too much information and opposing concepts. It's not that the students are getting too much information. It's that liberals realize students would be getting information that undermines the liberal's agenda and ideology.
I was taught both concepts through school and saw no problem with believing whatever I wanted later in life.
That's crap, and you know it.

You want mythology taught alongside fact-based science, and it isn't going to happen.

Keep your religion to yourself, it doesn't belong in school.
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Apr 28, 2008
 
for religion anymore. I will never teach my children about religion. It's all lies and tales anyway.

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Apr 28, 2008
 
On the most basic level, if the Discovery Institute backs this, then all thinking, sane, rational people should oppose it.
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That's crap, and you know it.
You want mythology taught alongside fact-based science, and it isn't going to happen.
Keep your religion to yourself, it doesn't belong in school.
Sorry but evolution is still a "theory". Check it out before you pass judgement. And by the way, some universities and even high schools teach both mythology and religion. And as long as they don't promote religion over and other belief then you shouldn't have anything to be afraid of.

That proves the point doesn't it that liberals are afraid religion will undermine their effort?

It's a disgrace to make a child, or an adult for that matter, be FORCED to agree with something that goes against their personal beliefs. Of course if your objective is to destroy religion in general then I can see where it's coming from.

If you would (but of course you wouldn't, you're a liberal) allow both to be taught then they would understand both and it not conflict with their beliefs on either side.

For you to quote seperation of church and state is hypocritical when you belong to the same group wanting to disban the public or make everyone who has a firearm register it.

What liberals try to do is say you can not have ANY religion in schools when it is agreed on by what I've seen as most intelligent people that as long as you don't show a preference for one religion over another then there is no problem. By teaching that there is, or could be, devine intervention in our being takes all religions into account, not just one.

You have nothing to fear except fear itself.
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Apr 28, 2008
 
Diogenes wrote:
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Sorry but evolution is still a "theory". Check it out before you pass judgement. And by the way, some universities and even high schools teach both mythology and religion. And as long as they don't promote religion over and other belief then you shouldn't have anything to be afraid of.
That proves the point doesn't it that liberals are afraid religion will undermine their effort?
It's a disgrace to make a child, or an adult for that matter, be FORCED to agree with something that goes against their personal beliefs. Of course if your objective is to destroy religion in general then I can see where it's coming from.
If you would (but of course you wouldn't, you're a liberal) allow both to be taught then they would understand both and it not conflict with their beliefs on either side.
For you to quote seperation of church and state is hypocritical when you belong to the same group wanting to disban the public or make everyone who has a firearm register it.
What liberals try to do is say you can not have ANY religion in schools when it is agreed on by what I've seen as most intelligent people that as long as you don't show a preference for one religion over another then there is no problem. By teaching that there is, or could be, devine intervention in our being takes all religions into account, not just one.
You have nothing to fear except fear itself.
LOL! Keep posting! You utter lack of logical reasoning skills is quite comical!

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Apr 28, 2008
 
Again, where are we forcing *YOUR* child to go to a public school? As I have stated before, there are plenty of private and parochial schools that might better fit your needs ("you" being people like Diogenes).

Besides, once this diaper rag of a bill hits the Supreme Court (should it need go that far), it will be found unconstitutional:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_Test#Lemon...

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Diogenes wrote:
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Sorry but evolution is still a "theory". Check it out before you pass judgement. And by the way, some universities and even high schools teach both mythology and religion. And as long as they don't promote religion over and other belief then you shouldn't have anything to be afraid of.
That proves the point doesn't it that liberals are afraid religion will undermine their effort?
It's a disgrace to make a child, or an adult for that matter, be FORCED to agree with something that goes against their personal beliefs. Of course if your objective is to destroy religion in general then I can see where it's coming from.
If you would (but of course you wouldn't, you're a liberal) allow both to be taught then they would understand both and it not conflict with their beliefs on either side.
For you to quote seperation of church and state is hypocritical when you belong to the same group wanting to disban the public or make everyone who has a firearm register it.
What liberals try to do is say you can not have ANY religion in schools when it is agreed on by what I've seen as most intelligent people that as long as you don't show a preference for one religion over another then there is no problem. By teaching that there is, or could be, devine intervention in our being takes all religions into account, not just one.
You have nothing to fear except fear itself.
Sorry, but your STILL wrong. I have "checked it out" and find your assertions silly.

Evolution is FACT, the theory describes the mechanism. Theory, as you have been told countless times, is the highest order of science.

I have nothing to fear from a rational, factual explanation, something that you and your "science" fail miserably to provide - you have no evidence, you have no science, you have nothing but YOUR faith, which isn't, and NEVER will be science.

You are free (and always have been free) to teach your religion along with any other religions as part of philosophy class, or a comparative religions class, but NOT in a science class.

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Diogenes wrote:
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Sorry but evolution is still a "theory". Check it out before you pass judgement. And by the way, some universities and even high schools teach both mythology and religion. And as long as they don't promote religion over and other belief then you shouldn't have anything to be afraid of.
That proves the point doesn't it that liberals are afraid religion will undermine their effort?
It's a disgrace to make a child, or an adult for that matter, be FORCED to agree with something that goes against their personal beliefs. Of course if your objective is to destroy religion in general then I can see where it's coming from.
If you would (but of course you wouldn't, you're a liberal) allow both to be taught then they would understand both and it not conflict with their beliefs on either side.
For you to quote seperation of church and state is hypocritical when you belong to the same group wanting to disban the public or make everyone who has a firearm register it.
What liberals try to do is say you can not have ANY religion in schools when it is agreed on by what I've seen as most intelligent people that as long as you don't show a preference for one religion over another then there is no problem. By teaching that there is, or could be, devine intervention in our being takes all religions into account, not just one.
You have nothing to fear except fear itself.
And WTF are you talking about "disban the public?"

And you believe that firearms should not be regulated in some way? Registering a lethal weapon is a disservice to the public?

You ARE a loon.
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Apr 28, 2008
 
I'm amazed our "leaders" would have the gall to waste time during this legislative session on this non-issue while the state goes to Hades in a hand-basket.

And Nero fiddled while Rime burned.
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Apr 28, 2008
 
Quit messing with evolution vs creation and try to stop busing students all over the place in the name of race. Go back to neighborhood schools and save a forturn.

Did the State own that damn pit bull? If not, why are we shelling out some dough on this crap?
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Apr 28, 2008
 
How embarrassing for our state and country that we would even contemplate teaching creationism in a science class. We're a joke to the rest of Western civilization. The Europeans make fun of America because not only do we have these arguments but we elect a president who believes the Bible LITERALLY! I only hope in a hundred years we'll be able to advance as a society eventually. No hope for anytime soon.
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Apr 28, 2008
 
Diogenes wrote:
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Sorry but evolution is still a "theory". Check it out before you pass judgement. And by the way, some universities and even high schools teach both mythology and religion. And as long as they don't promote religion over and other belief then you shouldn't have anything to be afraid of.
That proves the point doesn't it that liberals are afraid religion will undermine their effort?
It's a disgrace to make a child, or an adult for that matter, be FORCED to agree with something that goes against their personal beliefs. Of course if your objective is to destroy religion in general then I can see where it's coming from.
If you would (but of course you wouldn't, you're a liberal) allow both to be taught then they would understand both and it not conflict with their beliefs on either side.
For you to quote seperation of church and state is hypocritical when you belong to the same group wanting to disban the public or make everyone who has a firearm register it.
What liberals try to do is say you can not have ANY religion in schools when it is agreed on by what I've seen as most intelligent people that as long as you don't show a preference for one religion over another then there is no problem. By teaching that there is, or could be, devine intervention in our being takes all religions into account, not just one.
You have nothing to fear except fear itself.
GRAVITY is also a theory. I can almost GUARANTEE that it is a fact. You mentioned what you believe "liberals" try to do. You "Right-Wing Conservatives" wish to spew your personal religious beliefs on others.

Basically, if it's not Science, DONT TEACH IT IN SCIENCE CLASS. Creationism/ID is NOT SCIENCE.

Teach YOUR kids (if you want) that the earth is 6000 years old if you must, but leave MY kids alone!
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Flat Earth now! As if ...
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And WTF are you talking about "disban the public?"
And you believe that firearms should not be regulated in some way? Registering a lethal weapon is a disservice to the public?
You ARE a loon.
Liberals have the power to create fossils in million year old rocks, alter our DNA so that it looks like it came from primate DNA, and brainwash millions of educated scientists, and they couldn't rig the 2000 election?

What IS this guy worried about liberals for?

LOLOLOL

What a moron (him, not you).
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Sorry, but your STILL wrong. I have "checked it out" and find your assertions silly.
Evolution is FACT, the theory describes the mechanism. Theory, as you have been told countless times, is the highest order of science.
I have nothing to fear from a rational, factual explanation, something that you and your "science" fail miserably to provide - you have no evidence, you have no science, you have nothing but YOUR faith, which isn't, and NEVER will be science.
You are free (and always have been free) to teach your religion along with any other religions as part of philosophy class, or a comparative religions class, but NOT in a science class.
And without faith you have nothing. http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/len...

Any time something is partially false then it canít be accepted as true. While evolution has compelling facts not all of it has been proven. Until all of it can be proven then it has to be accepted as theory. Even a liberal should be able to understand that.

There are even theories of divine intervention taking place DURING evolution. That would give another explanation, but of course you canít accept that either. You can accept nothing but your way. You offer no reason for not allowing creationism to be taught along with other theories other than "it doesn't belong"? That's a weak argument.

You remind me of a jealous husband who is so insecure of himself that he goes berserk when his wife looks at another guy. If you so sure of yourself you shouldnít mind otherís points of view and not try to stop others from seeing it.

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Diogenes wrote:
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And without faith you have nothing. http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/len...
Any time something is partially false then it canít be accepted as true. While evolution has compelling facts not all of it has been proven. Until all of it can be proven then it has to be accepted as theory. Even a liberal should be able to understand that.
There are even theories of divine intervention taking place DURING evolution. That would give another explanation, but of course you canít accept that either. You can accept nothing but your way. You offer no reason for not allowing creationism to be taught along with other theories other than "it doesn't belong"? That's a weak argument.
You remind me of a jealous husband who is so insecure of himself that he goes berserk when his wife looks at another guy. If you so sure of yourself you shouldnít mind otherís points of view and not try to stop others from seeing it.
I have plenty, even without faith in your silly mythology. I don't need to delude myself with some "god" looking down on me because I think for myself.

Sorry, here's your reason: to teach your "science" would require it to have FACTS to back it up - it doesn't. It NEVER DID. IT NEVER WILL because it is based on unprovable assertions.

You got any facts? Bring it. No scripture allowed, it isn't provable.

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