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#1 Jun 26, 2014
Are you a believer in the "Big Bang" theory? If so would you mind explaining your position from what you believe was the very beginning? Thank you.

“Think&Care”

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#2 Jun 26, 2014
JesusMyKing wrote:
Are you a believer in the "Big Bang" theory? If so would you mind explaining your position from what you believe was the very beginning? Thank you.
That's hardly something that will fit into 4000 symbols. Care to limit the question a bit?

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#3 Jun 26, 2014
Its a simple question if you're a believer in the "Big Bang" theory.

Since: Nov 07

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#4 Jun 26, 2014
There are any number of books regarding the Big Bang Theory at your local library that will provide a much more comprehensive explanation of the theory then anything that could be written in a forum.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5 Jun 27, 2014
JesusMyKing wrote:
Are you a believer in the "Big Bang" theory? If so would you mind explaining your position from what you believe was the very beginning? Thank you.
This is an evolution forum. Evolution is biology. The Big Bang is irrelevant to this forum. So why bring up questions about cosmology into a biology forum instead of a physics forum?

By the way, in order for a concept to be a scientific theory it has to have evidence. That renders belief irrelevant. Remember in science "theory" does not mean "wild guess".

“Think&Care”

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#6 Jun 27, 2014
JesusMyKing wrote:
Its a simple question if you're a believer in the "Big Bang" theory.
Why would you think it is a simple question? I'd have to describe the basics of general relativity, quantum mechanics, and thermodynamics. I'd have to go through baryosynthesis, nucleosynthesis, the decoupling of neutrinos, the decoupling of radiation, the formation of atoms, the debates on whether galaxies developed top-down or bottom-up, the first populations of stars, the development of heavy elements, etc. Each of these could easily take several posts.

Also, this is a question about cosmology. This is an evolution forum. The two have nothing to do with each other, in spite of what your programmers tell you.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#7 Jun 27, 2014
JesusMyKing wrote:
Are you a believer in the "Big Bang" theory? If so would you mind explaining your position from what you believe was the very beginning? Thank you.
I definitely am! I believe the beginning was when Sheldon and Leonard first met Penny when she moved into their building.
Bang Big

Tulsa, OK

#8 Jun 28, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Also, this is a question about cosmology. This is an evolution forum. The two have nothing to do with each other, in spite of what your programmers tell you.
You can't even make the Apples to Oranges analogy here. It's more like Apples to Rocks!
In Six Days

Llansantffraid, UK

#9 Jul 21, 2014
JesusMyKing

Yes, it's a very simple question. It's also a dead give away that people don't have an answer when they say read a book or it's complicated.

I however believe in a Big Bang. It's in 2 Peter 3:10 ie the heavens shall pass way with a roar. Coming Soon.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#10 Jul 21, 2014
JesusMyKing wrote:
Its a simple question if you're a believer in the "Big Bang" theory.
No it is NOT a simple question.
It covers about the bigger part of physics and cosmology and involves the toughest scientific notions. Its mathematics is exceptionally complex and the observations mind boggling.

You are talking here about the most complex parts of modern science.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#11 Jul 21, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
JesusMyKing
Yes, it's a very simple question. It's also a dead give away that people don't have an answer when they say read a book or it's complicated.
I however believe in a Big Bang. It's in 2 Peter 3:10 ie the heavens shall pass way with a roar. Coming Soon.
No it is not a simple question.
And shut up because you are not entitled to assess that.

And it is not in 2 Peter 3:10:
"10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

At the big bang the heavens didn't disappear and their was no roar because sound only develop in gas by vibrating gas molecules. there were no planets nor gas clouds at that moment to bear or propel sounds.

"11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat."

Nothing has been destroyed in the big bang. Big bang is a sequence of instances where an initial state of very dense and hot energy transformed into matter and particles.
There were no heavens at the moment of the big bang.
There was no fire and there were no elements that melt in heat. The elements were formed AFTER the big bang. And the only elements formed were hydrogen and helium and some traces of other nuclei. Other elements were only to be formed much later in the first stars by nuclear fusion.

It does not resembles the concept of big bang in ANY WAY.
In Six Days

Llansantffraid, UK

#12 Jul 21, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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No it is not a simple question.
And shut up because you are not entitled to assess that.
And it is not in 2 Peter 3:10:
"10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."
At the big bang the heavens didn't disappear and their was no roar because sound only develop in gas by vibrating gas molecules. there were no planets nor gas clouds at that moment to bear or propel sounds.
"11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat."
Nothing has been destroyed in the big bang. Big bang is a sequence of instances where an initial state of very dense and hot energy transformed into matter and particles.
There were no heavens at the moment of the big bang.
There was no fire and there were no elements that melt in heat. The elements were formed AFTER the big bang. And the only elements formed were hydrogen and helium and some traces of other nuclei. Other elements were only to be formed much later in the first stars by nuclear fusion.
It does not resembles the concept of big bang in ANY WAY.
You forgot to correct my spelling as well. Now let's cut the crap & get to the point. There was no Big Bang. Everything you know or rather you think you know about it is a lie. Helium, what helium? Boy people really believe nonsense. That's why G K Chesterton said when people stop believing in God it's not that they believe in nothing, it's that they believe anything.
In Six Days

Llansantffraid, UK

#13 Jul 21, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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No it is NOT a simple question.
It covers about the bigger part of physics and cosmology and involves the toughest scientific notions. Its mathematics is exceptionally complex and the observations mind boggling.
You are talking here about the most complex parts of modern science.
Complex parts of modern science? What repeatable experiments are there in Big Bang musings? Next you'll tell us they tested the origin of the unverse in a lab.

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#14 Jul 21, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You forgot to correct my spelling as well. Now let's cut the crap & get to the point. There was no Big Bang. Everything you know or rather you think you know about it is a lie. Helium, what helium? Boy people really believe nonsense. That's why G K Chesterton said when people stop believing in God it's not that they believe in nothing, it's that they believe anything.
Our views are supported by scientific evidence. Your belief is supported by bronze age goat abusers.

Now why do you think that your side loses all court cases? Here is a hint, courts of law findings are based upon evidence.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#15 Jul 21, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You forgot to correct my spelling as well. Now let's cut the crap & get to the point. There was no Big Bang. Everything you know or rather you think you know about it is a lie. Helium, what helium? Boy people really believe nonsense. That's why G K Chesterton said when people stop believing in God it's not that they believe in nothing, it's that they believe anything.
Wow.

Just....wow.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#16 Jul 21, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You forgot to correct my spelling as well. Now let's cut the crap & get to the point.
OK, let's do that. You are relying on a book of myths to get your opinions. The Big Bang relies on the best understanding we have of physics and the actual evidence we have collected.
There was no Big Bang. Everything you know or rather you think you know about it is a lie.
Sorry, but I know otherwise. I have looked at the evidence. I understand the physics. I have look at alternative explanations. The universe is expanding and was once much hotter and denser to the point that nuclear reactions could happen everywhere.
Helium, what helium?
You know, like the second most common element in the universe?
Boy people really believe nonsense.
You are a perfect example of that fact.
That's why G K Chesterton said when people stop believing in God it's not that they believe in nothing, it's that they believe anything.
On the contrary, belief in a deity is an absurdity. And those that can get you to believe in absurdities can also get you to perform atrocities.

If you actually look at the evidence and understand the physics, the Big Bang is the only possible conclusion. Your book of myths gets it wrong. But you refuse to believe the truth because you have been brain-washed to not even look or attempt to understand.

“Think&Care”

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#17 Jul 21, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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Complex parts of modern science? What repeatable experiments are there in Big Bang musings? Next you'll tell us they tested the origin of the unverse in a lab.
Not all experiments happen in a laboratory. We don't have to make a star in the lab to understand the processes that lead to star formation. We don't have to produce a supernova in our lab to use our observations to understand what happens in one. We don't have to follow a single star throughout its existence to know how stars change over time. All are done using physical principles that we *do* verify in the lab and test in every specific case.

We have repeatedly demonstrated that relativity is accurate, from observations of astronomical phenomena to experiments that actually are done in labs. We can test the Big Bang through our understanding of nuclear physics (done in labs) and our observations of the abundances of the different elements using spectroscopy (again, verified in the lab). We can use the observations of the cosmic background radiation together with thermodynamics and general relativity to understand the conditions in the early universe. We can check the consistency of our general laws (as verified in the lab) with the observations we make and our interpretations by making predictions that can be tested via new observations.

The evidence is out there. You just refuse to look because you are brain-washed by your religion.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#18 Jul 21, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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Complex parts of modern science? What repeatable experiments are there in Big Bang musings? Next you'll tell us they tested the origin of the unverse in a lab.
I think the only thing you do here is flaunting your ignorance and lack of basic understanding of about everything. It is rather embarrassing to behold.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#19 Jul 21, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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You forgot to correct my spelling as well. Now let's cut the crap & get to the point. There was no Big Bang. Everything you know or rather you think you know about it is a lie. Helium, what helium? Boy people really believe nonsense. That's why G K Chesterton said when people stop believing in God it's not that they believe in nothing, it's that they believe anything.
As I said: the Great Dodging started and now continues.
Still NO ANSWERS.
TELL me, why are you evading the questions like the plague?

Even with warnings about your future behaviour you are still nog able to avoid it.
THAT IS TELLING.

My questions were decent and quite normal when debating. ISN'T IT?
The ANSWERS please.
In Six Days

Llansantffraid, UK

#20 Jul 21, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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OK, let's do that. You are relying on a book of myths to get your opinions. The Big Bang relies on the best understanding we have of physics and the actual evidence we have collected.
<quoted text>
Sorry, but I know otherwise. I have looked at the evidence. I understand the physics. I have look at alternative explanations. The universe is expanding and was once much hotter and denser to the point that nuclear reactions could happen everywhere.
<quoted text>
You know, like the second most common element in the universe?
<quoted text>
You are a perfect example of that fact.
<quoted text>
On the contrary, belief in a deity is an absurdity. And those that can get you to believe in absurdities can also get you to perform atrocities.
If you actually look at the evidence and understand the physics, the Big Bang is the only possible conclusion. Your book of myths gets it wrong. But you refuse to believe the truth because you have been brain-washed to not even look or attempt to understand.
You rely on changing stories about the beginning of the universe couched in scientific language. The Big Bang is a creation story period. The physics of today is just that, physics of today. It's not physics of the beginning of natural laws. Obviously!

When I said what helium, I was taking the piss. You have to shake people out of their trance. Yah, what helium? God made it, not some bang.

I agree belief in a deity is an absurdity, to the carnal mind that is. Unless regenerated that mind will remain in unbelief otherwise known as a rebellion against God. To put it plainly, the reason you don't believe in God is that you don't like Him. He is Lord over you & only after you've grasped that can you start realising that Man is not a God, the job's taken.

You think there were atrocities in the Old Testament? You've obviously not considered hell. Killing of those few tribes will be a walk in the park & trust me you don't want to go to hell. It's forever too. No, you don't want that. You know what to do.

Finally, if I look at physics the only possible conclusion is that there was a supernatural cause beyond physics. How do you think you got physics in the 1st place? I can't believe you miss something so simple.

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