It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 151289 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#126820 Feb 13, 2014
tangled bank wrote:
The following exchange is an almost exact duplicate from Oct, 2012
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Temporal and morphological sequence of progressively modern human features showing intermediate human/ape forms as required by evolution:
http://darwiniana.org/hominid.htm
http://anthro.palomar.edu/hominid/australo_1....
Temporal and morphological sequence of progressively modern human features showing increasing cranial capacity and larger body size as required by evolution:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/09/f...
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/09/fun-w...
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Please provide the evidence which shows hominid fossils have been fabricated for money.

Hey TB, how is it going.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#126821 Feb 13, 2014
KAB wrote:
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Beavers, ants, and bees don't design. They each build what they were designed to build, never anything else.

Humans don't design. They build what they were designed to build, never anything else.



If you would only think things through before you hit 'Post Comment'

“I am Sisyphus”

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#126822 Feb 13, 2014
KAB wrote:
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Of course I read factual information. I even read your posts, so why wouldn't I also read factual info?

I don't know why. I can only point to the evidence that you do not.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#126823 Feb 13, 2014
Dogen wrote:
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Completely off topic but okay.
In fact we do share some DNA with bacteria. We also have virus DNA "living" inside of our DNA.
It's not off topic when it's a response to someone stating that we have DNA in common with non-humans, is it?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#126824 Feb 13, 2014
Dogen wrote:
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I don't know why. I can only point to the evidence that you do not.
Then please point to a specific sample of evidence.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126825 Feb 13, 2014
tangled bank wrote:
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What you are observing here... "finch beaks, ring species, fruit flies"...are the "effects" of natural selection, or as you prefer - designer adaptations. You are NOT observing the actual "force" (natural selection/designer adaptation) which caused the selection/adaptation. This is just like human evolution, where the fossils, DNA, anatomy, embryology, biochemistry, show the "effects" of human evolution. In both natural selection (your designer adaptations) and human evolution, the actual "force" is invisible, but is observed through the various "effects" caused by the force.
Even Paul knew this when he wrote in Romans:
"...For ever since the creation of the world His "invisible" nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity have been made intelligible and clearly discernable in and through the things that have been made..."
So when you say human evolution has not been observed, but that micro-evolution has, you are being conrtadictory.
Ok, and I can accept that. Then micro evolution is also not observable. Thanks.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126826 Feb 13, 2014
PaleoGuy wrote:
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Here since you got to ask a question so do I. OK so my question is: so how do you explain all the millions of fossils that show an organism changing and adapting to its environment. Why did God created all those fossils that proved evolution? Answer that mate. Why did God create proof of evolution?
GOD didn't create fossils that proved evolution. Fossils don't show organisms changing and adapting.....especially into something different. All a fossil can prove is that something once existed, died, and left an image of itself. THey do not show heritage. That is artistic interpretation.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126827 Feb 13, 2014
MMLandJ wrote:
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I'll take your answer to mean you have no evidence that any hominid fossils known today are forgeries.
The real stories..........
Nebraska Man
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_nebras...
"Most other scientists were skeptical even of the more modest claim that the Hesperopithecus tooth belonged to a primate. It is simply not true that Nebraska Man was widely accepted as an ape-man, or even as an ape, by scientists, and its effect upon the scientific thinking of the time was negligible. For example, in his two-volume book Human Origins published during what was supposedly the heyday of Nebraska Man (1924), George MacCurdy dismissed Nebraska Man in a single footnote:
"In 1920 [sic], Osborn described two molars from the Pliocene of Nebraska; he attributed these to an anthropoid primate to which he has given the name Hesperopithecus. The teeth are not well preserved, so that the validity of Osborn's determination has not yet been generally accepted."
"The whole episode was actually an excellent example of the scientific process working at its best. Given a problematic identification, scientists investigated further, found data which falsified their earlier ideas, and promptly abandoned them."
Java Man
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_java.h...
Heidelberg Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelberge...
etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
I have no problem with your position, but Piltdown did not help your cause of supporting human from non-human evolution. And it was proclaimed by many scientists and teachers for years as the missing link.

"Whoever perpetrated the crime, it is considered to be one of the most damaging scientific hoaxes of all time, because it set the development of evolutionary theory back for years while researchers labored pointlessly to integrate a fake skull into the fossil record."

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/pe...

Piltdown was influential because it was taught as a missing link in textbooks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups...

And it also shows that scientific interpretation concerning specimens can be wrong, and be accepted although wrong, for many years.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126828 Feb 13, 2014
MMLandJ wrote:
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As someone has just pointed out, observing finch beaks, ring species and fruit flies is not observing natural selection or a designer. Forces cannot be observed. One must rely on observing an effect the said force has on the biotic/abiotic environment. The overall pattern of hominid fossils would be an example of an observed effect of human evolution. As such, human evolution is just as observable as micro-evolution.
ok, micro-evolution isn't observable. I have no problem with that.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126829 Feb 13, 2014
MMLandJ wrote:
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If you use "observation by definition," then please tell us what "blood pressure under stress" looks like.
You assumed I was referencing definition #5. I wasn't. I was referencing Definition #1. I'm sorry, I thought that was obvious.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126830 Feb 13, 2014
tangled bank wrote:
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I see you still don't know the significance of the foramen magnum and its location in the various of groups of extinct and extant apes (as well as other anatomical features).
I understand it, and how it defines differing life forms. I don't see how you can take one example, and propose that it was the descendant for another.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126831 Feb 13, 2014
tangled bank wrote:
Please provide the evidence which shows hominid fossils have been fabricated for money.
I didn't say they were. That was Mike. I took his word for it. Ask him.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126832 Feb 13, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Says the most biased guy on the planet.
I am not biased. Nor am I stupid.
I know you are not stupid. But I also know you definitely are biased.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#126833 Feb 13, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Presented by who?
Dawson
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text> Where?
England
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>When?
dec 18th, 1912
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry but I don't take your word for anything besides banjos.
Google works pretty good..... thanks but my knowledge of banjos is limited....:-)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#126834 Feb 13, 2014
mrksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>GOD didn't create fossils that proved evolution. Fossils don't show organisms changing and adapting.....especially into something different. All a fossil can prove is that something once existed, died, and left an image of itself. THey do not show heritage. That is artistic interpretation.
Funny how that artistic interpretation is capable of predicting what kind of fossils should appear in what strata.

You stopped lying for Jesus yet, Markie? Doesn't look like it.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#126835 Feb 13, 2014
mrksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Dawson<quoted text>England<quoted text>dec 18th, 1912<quoted text>Google works pretty good..... thanks but my knowledge of banjos is limited....:-)
Lemme guess, Piltdown?

Remind us again why you think it's fake when you reject the science that demonstrated the forgery in the first place.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#126836 Feb 13, 2014
tangled bank wrote:
The following exchange is an almost exact duplicate from Oct, 2012
<quoted text>
Temporal and morphological sequence of progressively modern human features showing intermediate human/ape forms as required by evolution:
http://darwiniana.org/hominid.htm
http://anthro.palomar.edu/hominid/australo_1....
Temporal and morphological sequence of progressively modern human features showing increasing cranial capacity and larger body size as required by evolution:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/09/f...
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/09/fun-w...
<quoted text>
Please provide the evidence which shows hominid fossils have been fabricated for money.
Well they did it once!

So if any show evolution then they did it again.

Every single one of 'em!

“I am Sisyphus”

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#126837 Feb 13, 2014
KAB wrote:
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Then please point to a specific sample of evidence.

Your chronic lying/self deception.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#126838 Feb 13, 2014
mrksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, and I can accept that. Then micro evolution is also not observable. Thanks.

It is not that microevolution is not observable. It is that it is much harder to observe than macroevolution.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#126839 Feb 13, 2014
mrksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>GOD didn't create fossils that proved evolution. Fossils don't show organisms changing and adapting.....especially into something different. All a fossil can prove is that something once existed, died, and left an image of itself. THey do not show heritage. That is artistic interpretation.

No, that is the weight of the evidence. That is how the scientific method works.

If you understood the scientific method you would know that.

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