It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 169997 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#122674 Nov 13, 2013
KAB wrote:
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As described, it appears the "round" is extending laterally beyond the airtight footprint. That would create buoancy. Do you know why?

Use a square balloon. Still goes up.

Do you know why?

[Hint: I have explained it to you]
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122675 Nov 13, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I call bullshit. If our nameless author really was a naval architect and marine engineer, he would have been aware of the problems inherent in extremely large wooden vessels.
"Pitching also puts heavy stresses on a vessel. The structure must be strong enough to resist the tendency to sag in the middle when large waves lift both ends of the vessel at the same time. Yet, when a large wave lifts the vessel at its midpoint, with nothing to support its ends, the bow and stern may bend downward. God told Noah to use a length-to-depth ratio of 10 to 1. Later shipbuilders would learn only by hard experience that such a ratio can accommodate these stresses."
Total crap. Later shipbuilders learned by hard experience that a purely wooden boat of this size could NOT be made to handle the stress. They flexed and leaked like sieves.
If you provided some data you might eventually get some traction with that line of reasoning.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#122676 Nov 13, 2013
KAB wrote:
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If you have no answer or won't share it then we can make no further progress in the bottom buoyancy arena.

If you have no answer or won't share it then we can make no further progress in the bottom buoyancy arena.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122677 Nov 13, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Then why did you say that gravity pushes things?
It pains me to say, but it's the price of honesty.(Look it up when you get the chance. It's okay, I won't rat you out to the GB.) The term you are looking for to support your bottom buoyancy arena is bottom suction. It really doesn't matter much to your stance, since glaciers often have fractures, rivers, crevasses, holes, caves, moulins and pockets that would negate that suction, anyway.
If I stated that gravity pushes, you'll provide the post to confirm it. Otherwise, like your other dataless assertions, it can (will) be ignored.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122678 Nov 13, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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We covered this.
Yes, we all know that gravity pulls down on both the helium balloon and the air, albeit with greater force on the air. All that remains is to determine what pushes up on the balloon. Do you think it's the air on the sides or top of the balloon?
I know it's the air pressing on the downward facing parts of the balloon's surface.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122679 Nov 13, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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I have already demonstrated your lack of understanding. Either learn or sit in the corner.
If you have no explanation or won't share it then we can make no further progress in the bottom buoyancy arena.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122680 Nov 13, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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The main advantage here is you don't have to get off your lazy duff and go door knocking, and you can turn in the time on your reports and your leaders are too dim to know you are only driving people away from your silly cult.
This is in addition to door knocking (off-hours).
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122681 Nov 13, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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I included the context.
Then just provide the verses again.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#122682 Nov 13, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I know it's the air pressing on the downward facing parts of the balloon's surface.

If you have no explanation or won't share it then we can make no further progress in the bottom buoyancy arena.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#122683 Nov 13, 2013
KAB wrote:
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If you have no explanation or won't share it then we can make no further progress in the bottom buoyancy arena.

If you have no explanation or won't share it then we can make no further progress in the bottom buoyancy arena.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#122684 Nov 13, 2013
KAB wrote:
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This is in addition to door knocking (off-hours).

Riiiiight.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#122685 Nov 13, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Then just provide the verses again.

As you like to distort the truth it would be a gesture of good faith on your part to provide the verses.

Just provide them from a decent translation.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122686 Nov 13, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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You could put a little water in the bottom of a glass, then put the glass in the freezer until the water had turned to ice and frozen to the bottom, then add some water and see what happens.
I've done that, and know what happens. Apparently, you haven't and don't.

“Merry Christmas”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#122687 Nov 13, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I've done that, and know what happens. Apparently, you haven't and don't.
I understand that arsenic will aid in melting the ice. Just add to taste.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#122688 Nov 13, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You don't understand. We get that.
You have been very convincing in your demonstration of your ignorance of science.
Let me know if you need me to take it the next step for you. This is, afterall, technical. It requires some basic understanding of science.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#122689 Nov 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You didn't explain how as the cantilevered edge broke off it unfroze the main body from the substrate.
As the cantelevered edge breaks off it exposes the main body directly to tje water which will then apply a massive upward force.

This force would dwarf even the adhesion of the ice to the rocks below and "unfreezing" would not even be necessary. The net upward force on the icewould be about 890 Newtons per cubic metre. On an ice stack 1000 metres high, covered in water, thats 890,000 Newtons of force per metre of surface area anchoring it to the rock. e. No frozen attachement could resist that for an instant.
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#122690 Nov 14, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Whatever rocks your boat Marksman. You write BS as always but all the best.
Just stating facts old friend. No one yet after 6024 pages and 100,000 posts has presented one observation of a human evolving from a non-human. Heck, no one can even tell me what biologically evolved to make this non-human, now a human!!
All the best to you also!!!
mrksman11

Asheville, NC

#122691 Nov 14, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Glad to hear you still don't have anything of substance against evolution.
Glad to see you still haven't posted the observation the scientific method demands!
Dogen wrote:
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Take a look at the beating we are giving KAB. Remember, that was once you!
Not in your wildest dreams could you ever come close to winning a debate with me, as I just proved above!
Dogen wrote:
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Wanna come back?
I didn't think so.
Don't need your permission to come or go as I please. Never did need it. I may be around. May not. You are irrelevant to that. Hows that Obamacare working out for you?

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#122692 Nov 14, 2013
mrksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Just stating facts old friend. No one yet after 6024 pages and 100,000 posts has presented one observation of a human evolving from a non-human. Heck, no one can even tell me what biologically evolved to make this non-human, now a human!!
All the best to you also!!!
While re are restating the facts let me remind you that "observation of a human evolving from a non-human" was never a prediction of the ToE so nobody cares what your personal criterion of proof happens to be. We do observe what the theory actually predicted we should observe, such a a succession of fossils showing a measurable progression from ape to human characteristics.

That is what evolution predicted and explains and what biblical creationism neither predicted nor can explain.

But you carry on, nobody much minds if you want to invent standards of evidence to suit yourself rather than the evidence predicted by the theory.

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#122693 Nov 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Yes, we both (all) know that gravity pulls down on both the ice and the water, albeit with greater force on the water. All that remains is to determine what pushes up on the ice. Do you think it's the water on the sides or top of the ice?
Gravity is constant. It does not "pull harder" on one thing than another. Don't you remember Galileo? Weight on Earth is a matter of mass and density.
"All that remains" is not to determine whether water pushes up on the ice. That is elementary.
All that remains is for you to accept that glacial ice is not "frozen to its base" and by its very structure will not create or maintain a perfect seal.

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