It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Read more

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#121076 Aug 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Sorry. I meant to state that only conclusions based on confirming data do not require belief.

No, you mean that your only belief is in data that is based on conclusions.

The confirming data is that you believe what you are told, like a good little dub. Regardless of the data provided you maintain your conclusions because they are required to maintain your belief.
KAB

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#121077 Aug 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You still have to demonstrate a bottleneck in all land animals on earth. Since we know there is not a 4,500 ybp bottleneck in humans and many other species you have already lost.
But you you want the math then here is something to get you started.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1186%2F17...
From there you can do your own research, baby boy.
By the way, I wonder where you get your assumptions.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/mailbag/noahs-ark...
Oh, an old piece of real research that has been distorted by creationists.
What if the disagreeing ones slander?

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#121078 Aug 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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And you have data to support this? Or is this one of those times where you completely ignore your self-imposed data requirement?

Data only applies to non dubs. His data is that he is required to believe whatever the Watchtower tells him to believe.

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#121079 Aug 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Do you not accept the Bible's direction on this matter of not keeping company with those described by 1 Corinthians 5?
I think you'd get along much better with Paul the Promoter than Jesus the Reformer.

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#121080 Aug 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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When I see a specific concern from a specific document, I will respond.

Translation: I have no rational defense for the atrocities I know my cult has committed.

Thanks, that is the answer I expected.


Dogen wrote:
part 2.
Although I do not expect an answer from you, nor do I want one, to make certain that you, personally, are aware of the facts, I am sending you the following materials:
(1) A photocopy of the original "Erklärung"
(2) A photocopy of the "Erklärung" as it appeared in the German edition of the 1934 Year Book of Jehovah's Witnesses;
(3) A photocopy of the "Declaration" as it appears in the English edition of the 1934 Year Book of Jehovah's Witnesses;
(4) A photocopy of the Hitler letter, plus an English translation thereof;
(5) A copy of the Spring 1990 issue of The Christian Quest.
Since I am well aware that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, of which you are a senior member, is carrying on what amounts to a "Big Lie" campaign (1) to make Jehovah's Witnesses appear to be God's faithful and discreet slave class on earth and (2) to discredit other religions, as a former Jehovah's Witness, a professional historian, and as a Christian who
believes that God has no need of our lies, I feel forced to expose the facts to the general public. Hence, I am sending copies of this letter, plus the above listed documentation, to both religious and secular publications throughout the United States and Canada. I will, of course, also make them available to persons in other lands so that they may be made known wherever possible.
In closing, Mr. Henschel, I would beg the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, who carry heavy responsibility before God and humankind, to come clean and admit the facts. Hypocrisy and falsifying the historical record are serious sins, as I am sure you are aware.
Sincerely yours,
M. James Penton, PhD
Professor Emeritus
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtrut ...

“I am Sisyphus”

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#121081 Aug 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Do you not accept the Bible's direction on this matter of not keeping company with those described by 1 Corinthians 5?

But the JW LOVE the sexually immoral. They harbor and refuse to report cases of child molestation. And if the child, on coming of age, talks to the authorities then they are disfellowshiped.

What a racket if your are a child molester! Join the JW, repeatedly molest children and only have to say sorry to the elders to get away with it and do more.

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#121082 Aug 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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When I see you cite a specific assumption of mine, I'll tell you where I got it.

You are attempting to assume around the issue. Is there a universal bottleneck 4,500 years ago?

Would there be one if there had been a global flood?

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#121083 Aug 28, 2013
Jenji wrote:
There are no facts for or against evolution, or God. It's a matter of personal choice,
Say what?!
Jenji wrote:
and one group does absolutely no good toward 'convincing' the other group of anything, when they engage in name-calling and nastiness and putdowns. I never slander someone for not believing the way I do, and I don't appreciate it when others tell me I'm stupid or ignorant something for the beliefs I have. I guess it's all part of my Live and Let Live philosophy, you go do your thing and let me do mine.

Science is based on evidence, not on belief.

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#121084 Aug 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What if the disagreeing ones slander?

All difficulty estimating unreserved increasing the solicitude.

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#121085 Aug 28, 2013
Jenji wrote:
There are no facts for or against evolution, or God. It's a matter of personal choice, and one group does absolutely no good toward 'convincing' the other group of anything, when they engage in name-calling and nastiness and putdowns. I never slander someone for not believing the way I do, and I don't appreciate it when others tell me I'm stupid or ignorant something for the beliefs I have. I guess it's all part of my Live and Let Live philosophy, you go do your thing and let me do mine.
Right. Just like there are no facts for or against gravity or 2 H + 1 O = 1 H2O + energy. Nothing is really true or really correct, and every clai. Is just as valid as every other.

Idiot.

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#121086 Aug 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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All difficulty estimating unreserved increasing the solicitude.
Well done, sir.

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#121087 Aug 29, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Right. Just like there are no facts for or against gravity or 2 H + 1 O = 1 H2O + energy. Nothing is really true or really correct, and every clai. Is just as valid as every other.
Idiot.
Unlike you claiming there is not a God, I say I don't know if there is or not. So you claiming there is not a God show me 100% facts, proof or evidence there is not and we will let the case stand at rest and be passed. For in reality it is just as hard for you to show me there isn't a God as it is for me to show you there is a God. Now you can say "but the bible says",,,, What the bible says are the words of simple man, not the words of God.
The bible says the earth is a circle,,, Whoop-de-shyt! Sphere was not a word back in their day.
But the bible says the world was flat,,, Whoop-de-shyt! Let me take you to any ocean or desert and when you look out cross to the horizon it will look flat.
But the bible says "kinds",,, Whoop-de-shyt! Speciation did not exist back in there day.
Cherry pick it all you want with todays knowledge but try to read it with their limited knowledge and some of it, not all of it will make a little sense.
KAB

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#121088 Aug 29, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Yes you are. If it said it in Genesis you'd be defending it in every other post.
Genesis doesn't make points which are demonstrably incorrect.
KAB

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#121089 Aug 29, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Assertions without evidence are meaningless.
How did you demonstrate that the Earth isn't shrouded by a mirage that confounds our instruments and our mathematics/physics?
I didn't.
KAB

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#121090 Aug 29, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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No I merely follow the logic. Every birth is 50/50 male or female. Women have a finite number of children. I have explained the outcome of either a stable population or a doubling one. In both cases there is a calculable proportion of women who will have no female daughters.
You cannot counter any of this with logic so now you are trying out to pretend that its ME trying to distort the outcome? Your tactics are getting hilarious.
I agree that some women do not have daughters.

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#121091 Aug 29, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Genesis doesn't make points which are demonstrably incorrect.
No, not to someone who thinks his immortality depends on believing that.

To anyone objective, the conflict with physical evidence is obvious from start to finish. We have pointed out numerous conflicts, and you have done your best to rationalise them, not hesitating to ignore all the known rules of physics when it suited you.

On that basis one could justify any random creation story. Magic makes all things possible. Since you accept magic but you are arguing with people who do not, why are you bothering?

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#121092 Aug 29, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I agree that some women do not have daughters.
Its a long long way from there to understanding why the hap tree could not be generated in 4500 years. No creationist has been able to make it fit. So they do the next best thing, simply ignore it while claiming "no data conflicts with Genesis"

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#121093 Aug 29, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Genesis doesn't make points which are demonstrably incorrect.
All that is required from you is a single word answer to a simple "yes" or "no" question:
Did plants appear before the Sun and the planets?

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#121094 Aug 29, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Genesis doesn't make points which are demonstrably incorrect.
It does.

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#121095 Aug 29, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Genesis doesn't make points which are demonstrably incorrect.
Noah's Ark. Shown to be wrong by physics, geology and biology. A clever chemist could say how chemistry debunks that fairy tale too.

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