It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 163801 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#119993 Jul 21, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Hey, Mike.
You're pretty smart. Do me a favor if you would. I've got a Teletec DXP-L180 6 Meter power amp and it's got pins for disabling the preamp and hard keying the amplifier but I don't know what voltage level to apply or if they need to be grounded to disable/enable or what.
There is a link to the schematic at the bottom of this page but it opens in Photoshop and it's too blurry to read. Maybe you can get a better image. Maybe not.
http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/ProductManua...
I think the schematics are for L175 but I imagine the switching is the same.
73, Dolly.
I'll take I look when I get into work tomorrow.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#119994 Jul 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I don't tend to dispute what is demonstrably true. It has been representatives of your side who have consistently done that.
BS

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

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#119995 Jul 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Self evident. But is droll worse than troll? In KAB's defense, he isn't the typical imbecilic (and often hostile) SOB who habitually trots out the stock ICR, CARM and DI excrement and drool. The worst KAB does is ignore 'data' and ask for more.

And it really isn't even KABs fault. His cult indoctrination takes away peoples ability (and opportunity) to think outside of the bounds set by the Watchtower.

Since: May 12

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#119996 Jul 21, 2013
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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So what does believing in God have to do with the theory of evolution?
I'm responding to a very old post, my apologies for that.So, what does believing in GOD have to do with evolution? Not a thing.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#119997 Jul 21, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Why don't leprechauns exist? They have not been proven not to exist.
What about Zeus? He hasn't been proven not to exist.
You don't understand how science OR logic work, but you want to pretend you use both to support your belief in magic. Before you lie to us, you have to lie to yourself.
Leprechauns have not been attested by a demonstrated reliable source.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#119998 Jul 21, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I don't know if you can be treated for 'Off your ever lovin' rocker' but if you can I'm sure Dogen is your go-to guy.
In light of the fact that Dogen has been trying to engage you in intelligent conversation for over two years perhaps he, too, should be treated for 'Off his ever lovin' rocker.
Physician heal thyself.
Dr. D has been consistently posting demonstrated incorrect info here for over two years. I wouldn't "go-to" him for anything, especially messing with my mind!
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#119999 Jul 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Again, you are trying to get others to do your homework for you.
Maybe a fair exchange of services can be arranged. Do you have any skills at all to offer?
B.S. and self deception are not valued skills.
Apparently none of you can intelligently address the article.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120000 Jul 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This is not correct. Human bottleneck timing is established by science using the data of the human genome.
The assertion is that there was a global flood 4,500 ybp that wiped out all but 3 pairs of breading humans.
It is also not possible for a population to survive with that small of a gene pool. We have discussed why and references have been provided for that as well.
That makes 3 major reasons, just based on this cursory examination of genetics why the flood account in the bible is not possible.
1. Bottleneck
2. Genetic diversity (halotypes)
3. Minimum viable population (MVP)
And you have not been able to even call one of these into question.
You want to look at the MVP problem a little closer?
That problem with apply to every single species that went aboard the Ark.
Data has been provided showing species survival from a very small (handful) number bottleneck. As long as there is a breeding pair, there is no MVP guarantee.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120001 Jul 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Smokescreening and dodge.
All bottlenecks are on the table and have been.
You need to show 100% of species have bottlenecks. So far you are up to 0%. You need the cheetahs help bring your mythology back from the dead.
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Now you are lying again and retreating to your misleading tactics. You have made mention of the paper on the bottleneck in cheetahs, so it is clear you have the data. It is also clear you don't understand it, but it isn't my job to catch you up. Asking again for information previously provided is just another of your tricks. You are a liar. Is this what you learn from your blasphemous worship of the Bible over God?
Why do you mention the cheetah if I am up to 0%?

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#120002 Jul 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Apparently none of you can intelligently address the article.
We have got to get people to stop saying your name out loud.

Apparently you can't either, though that hasn't stopped you from questioning it. If you don't understand the methodology in the article, then it is dishonest of you to pretend you do. I realize to whom I am speaking, but I can still attempt to turn from your dark path.

It is OK to admit you don't understand the article and that your assertions based on the findings of that article were merely speculation with no basis in fact. We all know.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#120003 Jul 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Data has been provided showing species survival from a very small (handful) number bottleneck. As long as there is a breeding pair, there is no MVP guarantee.
We all know that there are extant species that show genetic bottlenecks, otherwise they would be extinct species.

The cheetah is an example of a species that is suffering from a low minimum breeding population in the rebound from the last near extinction event for that species. If it weren't for conservation efforts, it would likely be extinct or at least on its way out. It may still go.

No guarantee, but such a population would show evidence much like the cheetah population does and like the human population does not.

Wrong answer. Try again.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#120004 Jul 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Why do you mention the cheetah if I am up to 0%?
Because like you, cheetahs never prosper.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120005 Jul 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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It's your claim that it was a global flood that decimated everything except what was on the ark. We've already wiped out scads of species and sub-species, so just the ones that are left should do. You can start with aardvark and work your way through from there. Let me know when you get to baboon.
Your comments properly allude to the irrationality of endeavoring to provide appropriate bottleneck data for all species in any immediate timeframe. On the other hand, it is entirely rational to endeavor to provide data confirming no 4500 ybp bottleneck for a single species.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#120006 Jul 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Your comments properly allude to the irrationality of endeavoring to provide appropriate bottleneck data for all species in any immediate timeframe. On the other hand, it is entirely rational to endeavor to provide data confirming no 4500 ybp bottleneck for a single species.
But finding one species won't help you. You will have to find more than one.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120007 Jul 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Hundreds of satisfied customers. I have routinely gotten customer surveys that rate me in the top two therapists where I work. We typically have 8 therapists on staff. Thanks for asking.
I don't think you know what my evaluation of you is. Nor do you seem to understand how therapy works. True, being a member of a religious cult points to certain fixed personal characteristics such as narcissism and poor self esteem among others, but your delusions are purely religiously based so I would not treat you based upon your delusions but I would consider your amateurish attempts at verbal manipulation to be a factor. I have no idea of your background and how much of that a client wants to bring to therapy is generally left up to the client. It is generally more important to find where a client is and where they want to go than a blow by blow of their past. Key word being 'generally'.
If you were in therapy with me you would not recognize me from my online persona. Here I get to play and act out the role of my alter ego. In therapy I do far more listening than talking. I have worked with murders, child molesters, child molestees (some who were both), drug addicts, people with schizophrenia, bi-polar, anti-social, borderline, former cult members, current cult members (including JWs), head injuries,..... It is a wonderful opportunity to help people and really connect with them. To see the world through their eyes.
Horror movies are nothing to me. I have seen real life horror stories through other peoples eyes.
Dogen wrote:
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I am not functioning as part of that profession when I am posting. But just as an off duty auto-mechanic can't help but notice a dragging muffler, I cannot miss certain things that are the focus of my profession.
I have had clients who were certain the voices really were real. That was logical and rational to them. I take the scientific viewpoint. Funny how those 'real' voices go away with medication and counseling.
Dogen wrote:
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This is another lie. You were bamboozled by a religious cult, probably at a weak time in your life. That is when they like to prey on people. Predators always go after the weak. Now you don't have the intellect to escape from the mental trap they have imposed on you.
You have my sympathy. Honestly, your rationalizations, which are hysterical to the rational minded, seem to work for you. I don't understand how people can be happy denying reality all the time, but I see some who seem to be.
But if your job is to convert people (which it probably isn't... you seem to be just logging hours) then you are doing about as poor a job as is possible. Everyone here can see through you (except for yourself and possibly Marksman).
You need to maintain the illusion that is not true, but that isn't really that hard, is it?
My involvement with JWs was not at a weak point in my life. There has never been a weak point in my life, and I have high expectations of there never being one. I've always thought life is great, and there's so much to learn. I seek, and seek to convey, correct info, which is why you so disappoint me. You routinely provide incorrect info, and never (are unwilling to) acknowledge/reconsider. I couldn't live like that. It would constitute a weak point in my life.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120008 Jul 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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A telling point regarding your data filter. I've only mentioned it 4 or 5 times. It's understood that your "considered" is synonymous to "omitted", of course.
Please provide one of your previous Burckle crater references. I don't think they exist, but I'm prepared to be proven wrong. Are you prepared to be proven right?
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120009 Jul 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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I didn't ask about a crater, I said impact. Surely you understand that is a completely different question.
Here's your post,

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

What does your comment indicate is associated with the Burckle Impact?
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120010 Jul 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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So it must also be your contention that the Genesis account which has been "handed down thru time" is inaccurate, just as you portend the Chinese account to be.
In principle, the potential would be there, but the Genesis account is part of a demonstrated reliable source (i.e. it's been rather thoroughly tested).
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120011 Jul 21, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I don't want data that explains that accounts can change as they descend through time. Provide the data illustrating why Chinese flood stories differ so greatly as to be entirely unrelated to pre-biblical and biblical accounts of floods.
Not a surprising attempt by you to manipulate and mislead in an effort to build another straw man. You have shown yourself to be no better than that.
Provide data confirming your contention about the Chinese flood stories, so I don't waste time chasing a myth.
KAB

Asia/Pacific Region

#120012 Jul 21, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You claim to have looked at the data. Is that a lie? You make assertions based on your reported review of this data. Are you now claiming this is a blind assertion? Review the data and post your interpretation.
For someone that claims independent thought, only to review and address data, you sure need your hand held like a small, lost child. Handle your own bathroom breaks.
I keep asking the question because none of the data provided so far has related to the 70K ybp human bottleneck time determination. In short, there has been nothing to examine.

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