It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 164269 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“May you be at peace.”

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#119712 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have a flood gauge reading. What do you have for the dragon?
He has a dragon gauge reading. Actually a GFG will work just as well on dragons and vice versa.

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#119713 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Science is able to detect some bottlenecks genetically and acknowledges they can't guarantee detection of all bottlenecks.
BTW, Dr. D wisely, for once, acknowledges this also. I know you trust him. Better you than me!

Not a problem.

If the global flood were true then we would see bottle necks in all major species of animals.

We do not see that.

Therefore no global flood.

Major bottlenecks are easier to detect than minor ones.
Near extinction level bottlenecks are even more obvious.
Bottlenecks are easier to detect in species that have longer generations (and further back into the past due to such).

Humans are an ideal species in which to detect bottlenecks and indeed we have a confirmed major one 70,000 years ago. A 4,500 year near extinction level bottleneck would be glaring, but is not to be found in humans nor any of the other animals we have examined.

Conclusion: there was no near extinction level event (global flood) 4,500 years ago.

period.

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#119714 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Data driven Copernicus is my kink of guy!

Copernicus would have had a good laugh at you had you lived at the same time.

Copernicus did not just look up at the sky one night and say "gee, I think I will ignore some data and make up a vision of how the sky works because my religion tells me to do so.

So you and Copernicus are polar opposites.

Copernicus became well educated in math and science FIRST. It was because of this education that he understood the present understanding was not correct even if it was based on the Bible. He then worked out a (more) correct system based on actual observations and calculations.

Again, the opposite of you. Your education seems limited to mental masturbation for which you have several Ph.D.'s, but that hardly qualifies you to understand science which is well above your head. While I have no doubt you COULD learn science, your cult does not allow you to do so.

Too bad, so sad.


Dogen wrote:
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No, they said he was possessed by a demon.
Copernicus actually knew what he was talking about. His discovery was not predicated on steeped religious ignorance; it was based on him understanding the math and science did not work.

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#119715 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Where have you been? I have consistently from day one to the present been driving for empirical evidence in everything.

To the millions of lurkers out there: This is a lie. KAB always says this, but analysis of his posts consistently demonstrates the opposite. Don't take my word for it, go look at the history of his posting.
KAB wrote:
<quoted text> The desired/required evidence, however, just isn't always obtainable. Ironically, among humans, linguistics is the means of choice for conveying the truth. It pays to be good at it.

Again, to the millions of lurkers out there: Here KAB is essentially saying that linguistics (which he is not good at - he frequently misuses words or uses a completely wrong word) is more important than scientific facts. Is that what you believe my dear lurker friends? Me neither.

I would think someone skilled at linguistics would be good at convincing others of his thesis. Yet we can find no one (literally not one single person) who has been convinced by him about anything he has argued for.

KAB (again, don't take my word - look for oneself) is egomaniacal to a degree he cannot support with his tepid education. He professes he is doing well and has the answers for everything yet nothing of the sort is ever evidenced in his posts.

"Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear."

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#119716 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I always seek empirical evidence, no matter the premise, positive or negative.

This would be another lie.

Who is the father of all lies? He keeps you well fed.

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#119717 Jul 16, 2013
replaytime wrote:
10 Incredibly Deadly Plagues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_CohXNy3pEEXX
You all keep going on about bottle necks. Well here are the top 10 plagues in history. Now from years 165-180 the Antonine plague wiped out 5 million people and again in years 541-542 the plague of Justinian wiped out 25 million people. My question is in around those 1500-2000 years does/will it show a bottle neck for the 193.5 million to 257.5 million that died? Many died in the last 250 years.

No. While these events are sad, the number dying is trivial to the existing genome.

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#119718 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Taking the parrotfish article, how do you see it relating to the global flood?

How does something real relate to mythology?

Intriguing but meaningless question.

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#119719 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I know what happens when pressure is applied to some parts of a fixed volume pliable object. Do you?

What is the context?

We refuted the global flood so I would like to know what issue we are working on now.

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#119720 Jul 16, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>You actually posted something in which the scientists don't even know what it is, as evidence that humans evolved from none humans? You made my case, not yours!!!

Clearly you don't understand.

I would encourage you to actually READ the link, but I don't think that would help.

What might actually help is you reading some science books. But I would not want you to hurt yourself.

http://phys.org/news/2013-07-homo-species-d-c...

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#119721 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Firing blanks again, I see.

In what sense was Mike firing blanks?

He simply called you out for your chronic lying.

Not only was the round live, but it hit a bulls-eye.


MikeF wrote:
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What part I don't give a flying f**k didn't you get?
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See above comment.
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Absolute lie. You have not interest at all in what is correct. You're only interest is in maintaining your belief in myths.

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#119722 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Did the mainstream tell Copernicus he was wacked, and was he correct? That's the extent of the comparison. To wit, having everyone against you doesn't mean you're wrong, so you should cease using that fallacious line of reasoning.

The reasoning is actually sound. Few discoveries are made by ignorant people who ignore the data and make things up as they go along.

Copernicus rigged the deck. He was very well educated in math and science and had data that supported him. None of that is true for you, now is it?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#119723 Jul 16, 2013
Dogen wrote:
To the millions of lurkers out there:
Millions. LOL

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#119724 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Did the mainstream tell Copernicus he was wacked, and was he correct? That's the extent of the comparison. To wit, having everyone against you doesn't mean you're wrong, so you should cease using that fallacious line of reasoning.
The mainstream was using the same standard of evidence YOU use. Bible is true, therefore reality MUST conform to what it says. Copernicus said reality must be taken on reality's terms. You and they disagree with that position. Which side of history did YOU think you were on?

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#119725 Jul 16, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Millions. LOL

Millions. Zero. Whatever.
The Hang of God

Kingston, Jamaica

#119726 Jul 16, 2013
You continue to breathe?

Truly the Mercies of the Almighty Endure Forever...
KAB

Taiwan

#119727 Jul 16, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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And you data for an upwelling flood?
Genesis 7:11
The Hang of God

Kingston, Jamaica

#119728 Jul 16, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>The techniques used to detect a genetic bottleneck are more than good enough to show that none occurred around 4500 years ago for any species so far examined. That is more than enough to kill your flood theory no matter how you try to lie your way out of it...
Even I who would say that I am a Christian, am puzzled by the way some Bible believers cling to the actuality of many of the events recorded in the Bible.

***Make no mistake, I am in no way saying that the words of the Bible are not REAL***

The words of the Bible point to a reality and as a matter of fact, describe realities; but many people dont understand the nature of what is "real".

There is never any need to debate whether or not the stories of the Bible are analogical, mythological etc; for none of that undermines the reality and truth that they describe...

Reality is determined by equality (the essence of truth); not matter nor energy nor time.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#119729 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Genesis 7:11
Funny how when you demand data, you expect measurements, graphs, narratives, dates of the last calibration of equipment used and color photograph with circles, arrows and a paragraph on the back.

Genesis doesn't PROVE shit. You need ***evidence***. Perhaps you've heard of it. Then again, maybe not.
KAB

Taiwan

#119730 Jul 16, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Oh, you do like pretend play.
Since you have nothing you want to pretend it never happened and start over so you can keep arguing.
Your previous comments about lurkers interests me. If such a creature existed then how do you think THEY would feel about your dishonesty, subterfuge, smoke-screening, and misleading prose? Don't you think they could see through that just as easy as the rest of us do?
I have little doubt that people like you, a number of such manifest here, will respond as you do. I also know and am thankful that not all people are like you. The unknown for me is whether any of them are observing this forum.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#119731 Jul 16, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have little doubt that people like you, a number of such manifest here, will respond as you do. I also know and am thankful that not all people are like you. The unknown for me is whether any of them are observing this forum.
The unknown for you is pretty much everything, Oh Clueless One.

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