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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 164317 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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#119207 Jul 5, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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? When did I indicate such. I was just pointing out that most
Christian's were and are clueless about what the Bible actually say when
viewed from a historic context.
You have a clue Indeed?

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#119208 Jul 5, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You are ignoring/missing the point. Too, Jesus was not a prophet, per
se.
Dogen wrote: Why would it have been long dead? Religious texts are
amazingly enduring. There are religious books that are 1500 years older
than the oldest book of the O.T. that are still quite popular. There is
no logic in your assertion that they would have been long dead.
Jesus is the son of the most high God. Ofcourse there are many popular books older than the bible, but there is a big difference between reality and fiction.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#119209 Jul 5, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Don't trust what you're led to believe. The account in Genesis 1 clearly documents that YHWH took specific creative action on each of the 6 days. "Day" in Genesis 2 must, therefore, refer to the 6 preceding "days" collectively as a "day". Such is the legitimate flexibility of the meaning of the word "day".
BS. The context in 2 is NOT the same as 1, moron. Genesis 2 wasn't even written by the same person. What it says has very little to do with Genesis 1.

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#119210 Jul 5, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I generally don't like dataless answers. You certainly know that by now.
You don't seem to care much for data either. So where does that leave you?

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#119211 Jul 5, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Sheer ignorance.

That should TOTALLY be your screen name!

Have a nice day Sheer Ignorance!

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#119212 Jul 5, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You have a clue Indeed?

Thank you.

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#119213 Jul 5, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus is the son of the most high God. Ofcourse there are many popular books older than the bible, but there is a big difference between reality and fiction.

The Bible is not fiction. It is filled with metaphorical stories that contain spiritual truths.

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Rio Rancho, NM

#119214 Jul 5, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>How do you talk yourself into a corner when you ask a girl why human from non-human evolution doesn't pass the scientific method, and she replies something like "fried rice"....????
God bless you.

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mutilate. Point down range.

#119215 Jul 5, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Let him gnaw at our ankles
I have another one gnawing at my ankles this morning. You know it isn't the people seeking help that disturb me so much as the ones that are running around loose and consider themselves to be OK.

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#119216 Jul 5, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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The Bible is not fiction. It is filled with metaphorical stories that contain spiritual truths.
Aesop's Fables also qualify.

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#119217 Jul 5, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Aesop's Fables also qualify.

Yes, they certainly do.

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Not forced.

#119218 Jul 5, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Good observation. Why do you suppose so many religious people end up that way? Perhaps it's the frustration of being trapped in a delusion.
From what I see here, there are some on both sides are that way.

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#119219 Jul 6, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Sheer ignorance.
Then present it, not just some "it's in the bible" assertions, actual evidence. You have probably never even tried to look for the evidence, so here's your chance to prove you are not completely clueless.
KAB

Phoenix, AZ

#119220 Jul 7, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>How can that be when no such flood ever occurred.
If such a hypothetical event were to have occurred, there isn't enough water in the oceans to accomplish the job as described in the Bible, so those waters could not primarily be in the oceans.
So you lose times two.
You must not be allowing for significant changes in Earth's surface contours likely occurring in conjunction with the global flood.
KAB

Phoenix, AZ

#119221 Jul 7, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I could accept faith, but not the blind stupidity you possess and consider to be faith.
This is a conclusion based on data.
You're entitled to your opinion.
KAB

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#119222 Jul 7, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Bottlenecks line up 4,500 years ago.
Which bottlenecks did I assert line up 4500 years ago?
KAB

Phoenix, AZ

#119223 Jul 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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There isn't enough water in the oceans. Not much on math, are you?
You must be assuming Earth's surface contours haven't changed much from before to after the global flood.
KAB

Phoenix, AZ

#119224 Jul 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Nah. You're the one who takes things on faith. Take, for example, your mythical flood. You insist it could have happened even though you have admitted you have no proof. THAT is faith.
The rest of us are content to use evidence and logic.
Bible defined faith is based on evidence and logic (Heb. 11:1).
KAB

Phoenix, AZ

#119225 Jul 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I'll let our good friend, John D. Morris, answer that for you:
he length of the days of Genesis 1 has been much debated. Are the days of Genesis 1 regular solar days, referring to the rotation of the earth on its axis, or could each day be a long, indefinite period of time, equivalent in total to the vast time spans of geology? Such an interpretation would give solace to Christians who try to harmonize long ages with Genesis.
It is true that the Hebrew word yom,translated "day," can have a variety of meanings. By far its most common is a literal day, but it can mean "age." The question is, what does it mean here? As always for a word with multiple possible meanings, we must let the Scriptural context take precedence in discerning its meaning for a particular usage.
Interestingly, the very first time the word is used, in Genesis 1:5, it is strictly defined as the light portion of a light/dark cycle as the earth rotated underneath a directional light source, producing day and night. It is also true that whenever "day" is modified by a number, like second day or six days, it can only mean a true solar day. There are no exceptions in Hebrew. Any uncertainty is resolved in the Ten Commandments as God commands us to work six days and rest one day just as He worked on the six creation days and rested on day seven (Exodus 20:11).
Now consider that each day in Genesis is modified by the term "evening and morning," both commonly used words in the Old Testament. Can they be referring to indefinite periods of time? Standard Bible study tools define the Hebrew word for "evening" (ereb) as meaning simply evening or night. It is derived from expressions connoting "the setting of the sun or sunset," and associated with evening sacrificial meal and rituals. Often mentioned is the "evening sacrifice" or "returning at evening." Likewise the word for "morning" (bqer) literally means morning or dawn, the breaking through of daylight, and reference is made to "rising early in the morning" or keeping the fire burning until the morning. There is little possibility of translating the word pair as "the end of an age" and/or "the beginning of an age."
The job of both Bible student and expositor is to carefully determine what the Author of Scripture is communicating to the reader. We dare not impose on the straightforward Word of God our own bias. We must stand in submission to Him and His words. Remember, God is all wise and wants to reveal truth to us, things we might not know otherwise. He can also write clearly. He will help us understand even difficult passages if we value His thoughts above our own.
http://www.icr.org/article/3228/
John D. Morris is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, his opinion didn't address the consequence of evening being mentioned before morning on the first day, and thus is rendered from an incomplete consideration of the facts.
KAB

Phoenix, AZ

#119226 Jul 7, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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No. Not faith. Confidence based on the evidence. Faith is what you use as an excuse for believing something despite a lack of evidence and/or in spite of contradictory evidence.
EXAMPLE: God exists. You believe this on faith, despite there being no evidence of such a thing (hell, you can't even define what it is to be able to demonstrate its existence).
You're entitled to your opinion. Based on the evidence, I am confident in what I believe.

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