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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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#118680 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Answer this question, if the English did not originate the language, no one would have had the opportunity of the language, not even you or i. So, since it was first spoken there(England) as a language, it therefore belongs to the English. That is my stand!

Not relevant to issue of ownership of English Language.

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#118681 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I have explained my reasons for that, that most of you failed to see. If your mind towards that is hard, mine is not, I always stand for the truth. Evolution to date, is a mess. You and i are able to speak the English language, because of the English people, who originally came from England.

Not relevant to the issue of ownership of the English language.

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#118682 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The nations or countries that takes English as first or official language were influenced by? were the speaking English before the influence? these and many other reasons proves my point, English despite its transitions, still belongs to England.

No.

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#118683 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> A simple answer, politically you are an American, but culturally, you are English, except you were not born from those parents.

Why don't you argue about the semantics of your own language.

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#118684 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Trash! nothing more than that.

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#118685 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Poor you! you lack the boldness or audacity to challenge my statement, too bad!

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#118686 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Genesis is not a myth. Like i said, nothing can sprang up on their own without a maker or creator, one sure reason why evolution remains a mess. and again, English belongs to the English, does that sounds negative to you?

Guano happens.

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#118687 Jun 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Your response to the question was that humans and Neanderthals have the same number of chromosomes but they and chimps do not. It's as simple as that, and it appears that is not evidence they didn't interbreed.
This has nothing to do with character assassination. It's simply about what is correct and what is not, and making progress in correct understanding.

Again, you do not seem to understand evidence.

Different numbers of chromosomes make it MUCH less likely that they could interbreed. It is not an absolute stopper.

Just like in the past you just want to get in that something is possible, and want to ignore the odds of it happening. That is unscientific and dishonest.

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#118688 Jun 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You have been mentioning evidence that you don't even have. Summarily, we have two schools of thoughts under this, Atheism and Theism. Do your thinking.

False dichotomy.

Their is also deism and agnosticism to name only two additional possibilities.
KAB

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#118689 Jun 26, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Bullcrap. You *have* been provided the data. Many times. You've been given the references to reputable scientists and their publications. So stop with the lying. You've lost this one so how about you move on to something else. This has gotten boring.
I don't initiate the volleys. I have only been responding to assertions that it has been confirmed the flood didn't occur. I assure you that when your side moves on, so will I. Of course, you always have the option of providing confirming data NOW, and I assure you that will bring my challenges to an end. Try me.
KAB

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#118690 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Right, and until we learn how to design those less complex sub-units, we can't design the more complex item. Whoops, I guess that totally IS learning.
In some cases that is certainly true, but not for someone omniscient. That one would likely/necessarily design the less complex first since it is needed as part of the more complex.

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#118691 Jun 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I don't initiate the volleys. I have only been responding to assertions that it has been confirmed the flood didn't occur. I assure you that when your side moves on, so will I. Of course, you always have the option of providing confirming data NOW, and I assure you that will bring my challenges to an end. Try me.
I think everyone is pretty tired of your tripe. If anyone wants to post it again, they're welcome to it. As far as I'm concerned, your are a delusional liar and not worth the time to go to the trouble for - what?- the fifth time now?

In the mean time, how about you go camp out in the Atacama and ponder your navel.

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#118692 Jun 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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In some cases that is certainly true, but not for someone omniscient. That one would likely/necessarily design the less complex first since it is needed as part of the more complex.
Trying for the King of Stupid title? An omniscient and omnipotent god would have to start small and build up to large? Apparently, you never read what you've typed before hitting Post Comment.
KAB

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#118693 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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And do you also not disagree about there being no boundary to the amount of complexity, derived from less complex sub-units, that can arise via evolutionary processes?
I have not seen or heard of anyone reporting that being directly observed. Lenski's gang has probably travelled furthest along that route, and after more than 50,000 generations they still have only the same kind of bacteria as at the start. You've touched on perhaps the key reason why design is currently a better explanation than evolution since design can explain the discontinuities between kinds.
KAB

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#118694 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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And, nobody has thus far proven that it's impossible for leprechauns to be at the center of the sun. BOOYAH!
Ridiculous bullshit is ridiculous bullshit.
We have a wealth of confirming experience with design, and can demonstrate at will that it is a very real process.
KAB

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#118695 Jun 26, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Again, you do not seem to understand evidence.
Different numbers of chromosomes make it MUCH less likely that they could interbreed. It is not an absolute stopper.
Just like in the past you just want to get in that something is possible, and want to ignore the odds of it happening. That is unscientific and dishonest.
I ignored nothing. I stated a fact relative to the issue under consideration. I did not state that chromosome number is not a factor in the equation. Chrome did not state/indicate that his fact was not the final answer, so who gave an incomplete picture?

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#118696 Jun 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I ignored nothing. I stated a fact relative to the issue under consideration. I did not state that chromosome number is not a factor in the equation. Chrome did not state/indicate that his fact was not the final answer, so who gave an incomplete picture?
"What is the evidence showing that we have interbred with Neanderthals but not with chimps?"

You stated nothing. You ignored the content of my post and attempted to twist it into a bludgeon - which is ALWAYS your intent and "issue under consideration" when cajoling other posters to engage in discussion or to provide data.
You continuously lynch your own grotesque shell of a reputation. As always, mind your 9th commandment.

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#118697 Jun 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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In some cases that is certainly true, but not for someone omniscient. That one would likely/necessarily design the less complex first since it is needed as part of the more complex.
How do you build the car without first building the components?

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#118698 Jun 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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We have a wealth of confirming experience with design, and can demonstrate at will that it is a very real process.
Yes. And, they all have naturalistic explanations.

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#118699 Jun 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have not seen or heard of anyone reporting that being directly observed. Lenski's gang has probably travelled furthest along that route, and after more than 50,000 generations they still have only the same kind of bacteria as at the start. You've touched on perhaps the key reason why design is currently a better explanation than evolution since design can explain the discontinuities between kinds.
You clearly misunderstand how evolution works. Making up your own personal standards for what evolution is and is not, holding the theory of evolution to those standards, and declaring it invalid when it fails to meet them is intellectually dishonest. And, more to the point even if evolution is completely wrong, that is in no way a demonstration that creationism is correct. False dichotomy and all.

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