It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 159428 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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Since: Mar 09

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#116376 May 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Job 26:7
A flat or, at best, hemispheric Earth doesn't prove God exists. Nor does the misunderstanding of the word "hang" outside of poetic license.

Laurence Taylor was a monster. That's poetic license. Was he actually a monster? By your convoluted and ridiculous standards, he clearly was, because it's a possible meaning of the word as used if one ignores the context, and because I've chosen that meaning out of all the possible ones, that makes it so.

Well, in YOUR version of reality, it does. Out here in ACTUAL REALITY, it ain't like that at all. But, as long as it makes you happy, that's all that matters. Don't let things like intellectual integrity get in your way.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#116377 May 26, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1
Bear in mind I am not a trinitarian and I acknowledge that this is one of the JWs 'broken clock moments' when they actually are on the right side.
What's (single item) next?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#116378 May 26, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Its a shame the one missing element is you being proved right.
I don't expect invisible purple ping-pong balls to be convincing, but you might consider what the chances are I could get what I did provide right without having seen it or at least having been told about it.
See?
No
KAB

Wilson, NC

#116379 May 26, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Except the rest of the verse says the word was God.
So, yea, you can believe what you want if you are willing to preform vivisection (lit. to cut the life out of) on the Bible.
This is a fairly common literary device called chiasmus and the Bible uses it at a number of junctures.
I take the Bible at its Word, so bring on the data for chiasmus.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#116380 May 26, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
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Sprinkling the blood of a sacrificed dove on a lepers toes to cure his/her leprosy.
Pi=3.
The sun standing still in the sky.
Letting livestock copulate in front of striped sticks resulting in their offspring having striped coats.
QED
Need I mention those are just assertions, all of which have been discredited with data?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#116381 May 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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A flat or, at best, hemispheric Earth doesn't prove God exists. Nor does the misunderstanding of the word "hang" outside of poetic license.
Laurence Taylor was a monster. That's poetic license. Was he actually a monster? By your convoluted and ridiculous standards, he clearly was, because it's a possible meaning of the word as used if one ignores the context, and because I've chosen that meaning out of all the possible ones, that makes it so.
Well, in YOUR version of reality, it does. Out here in ACTUAL REALITY, it ain't like that at all. But, as long as it makes you happy, that's all that matters. Don't let things like intellectual integrity get in your way.
I see you're still having trouble understanding my standards.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116382 May 26, 2013
OOOOObama wrote:
Atheists should try to debate with, or refute the responses of REAL Christians, such as Biblical scholars and Apologetics websites. They have the answers for EVERYTHING. One of my favorites is www.gotquestions.org . Atheists like to take cheap shots at the arrogant and not very educated Christians, but can they challenge actual THEOLOGIANS and SCHOLARS, and generally knowledgeable Christians?
I never meet a theologian I could believe....they all talk apologetics and bullsh!t. They can no better refute real science than you can.

All of them that have exposed themselves to conversations with people such as Dawkins and Hitchens (may he rest in peace) loose miserably.

You see the problem for the religions is that science is true and factual, and the religions are nothing but a con.

We are disproving the old myths that the Bible has propagated for centuries. There is NO magik in this world

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116383 May 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Thank you for a very weighty post, the scientific recognition that the Noachian flood could have happened. It's most unfortunate that it has taken this long for your side to acknowledge that, and in what position does it put those on your side who have so often proclaimed confirmation that it didn't happen?
Sorry I didn't meet your high intellectual standards KAB.

You DO understand that that thought is behind EVERYTHING in science, such as evolution, and the Noachian flood NOT happening.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116384 May 26, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Me too, knowing that according to you empirical evidence is never certain, and knowing that the source of the legend has been demonstrated to be reliable.
The source has NOT been certified to be 100% reliable.

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Since: Sep 08

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#116385 May 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
"We would expect to observe a uniform, worldwide blanket of randomly sorted boulders, cobbles, sand, and silt overlain by a layer of clay. This blanket would overlie any pre-existing geologic record. Since the Flood allegedly took place a mere 5000 years ago, this evidence should still remain with very little erosion. But this worldwide blanket does not exist."
http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/flood.html
Unlike the Alvares's K-T boundary discontinuity, which IS worldwide.
And dates back 66 million years.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#116386 May 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I see you're still having trouble understanding my standards.
So, you DON'T strategically avoid any and all definitions of words that would contradict your understanding of the Bible? REALLY? Mister "I choose #8?" Mister "look, these guys colloquially referred to the moon as hanging, therefore that's the most pertinent definition of hang?" REALLY?

Do you simply refuse to believe that you could be a liar, or do you know you lie but justify it by saying to yourself that it's in defense of the Bible?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#116387 May 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Sorry I didn't meet your high intellectual standards KAB.
You DO understand that that thought is behind EVERYTHING in science, such as evolution, and the Noachian flood NOT happening.
Yes, I do understand that and have stated such from the beginning. It's your side that has long attached certainty to the Noachian flood not having happened. I only point to data which makes ToE not a believable story.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#116388 May 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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The source has NOT been certified to be 100% reliable.
That is correct, but no confirming data for any purported error has yet been provided here.

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Earth

#116389 May 27, 2013
OOOOObama wrote:
Atheists should try to debate with, or refute the responses of REAL Christians, such as Biblical scholars and Apologetics websites. They have the answers for EVERYTHING. One of my favorites is www.gotquestions.org . Atheists like to take cheap shots at the arrogant and not very educated Christians, but can they challenge actual THEOLOGIANS and SCHOLARS, and generally knowledgeable Christians?
If by challenge you mean mop the floor with, then the answer would be a resounding yes. The problem is that even the most credentialed apologists just seem to be too thick to know it's happened, even as they knock the Mr. Clean out of their ears.

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Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#116390 May 27, 2013
OOOOObama wrote:
Atheists should try to debate with, or refute the responses of REAL Christians, such as Biblical scholars and Apologetics websites. They have the answers for EVERYTHING. One of my favorites is www.gotquestions.org . Atheists like to take cheap shots at the arrogant and not very educated Christians, but can they challenge actual THEOLOGIANS and SCHOLARS, and generally knowledgeable Christians?
If you review the history of science and the debates with religion, you will find that many of the people questioning biblical inerrancy and literalism were themselves theologians and biblical scholars. It turns out when you actually study the Bible and the real world the real world doesn't mesh well with a literal interpretation of the Bible. I find that fundamentalists are the least knowledgeable of all Christians.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#116391 May 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The legend has not been confirmed impossible, and you're entitled to your opinion, which in your case stands on a virtually completely data-free foundation of no credibility.
Without breaking the laws of nature, it is impossible. As I said, until you prove it possible, since it has to break the laws of nature, it is impossible by definition.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#116392 May 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I do understand that and have stated such from the beginning. It's your side that has long attached certainty to the Noachian flood not having happened. I only point to data which makes ToE not a believable story.
Without breaking the laws of nature, it is impossible. As I said, until you prove it possible, since it has to break the laws of nature, it is impossible by definition.

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#116393 May 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The legend has not been confirmed impossible, and you're entitled to your opinion, which in your case stands on a virtually completely data-free foundation of no credibility.

Can you confirm this legend has not been confirmed impossible because my score card says it has been. Your data-free opinion, which hangs on nothing, has all the credibility of proponent (i.e. yourself) which is to say,... none.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#116394 May 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Without breaking the laws of nature, it is impossible. As I said, until you prove it possible, since it has to break the laws of nature, it is impossible by definition.
A miracle of someone being diagnosed with a fatal disease condemned to die in 3-5 months that makes a complete recovery breaks the laws of nature. But is blown off because it can not be explained. So what's your point?

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#116395 May 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for a very weighty post, the scientific recognition that the Noachian flood could have happened. It's most unfortunate that it has taken this long for your side to acknowledge that, and in what position does it put those on your side who have so often proclaimed confirmation that it didn't happen?

Zebras are purple and pink! Science says so!

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