It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 151419 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#115507 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What I do is provide data supplied by geologists.

You mean like dirt and garden hose research. You are a cartoon!

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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#115508 May 14, 2013
According to flood supporters the Grand Canyon is the result of the noachian flood. Sediment from the flood was laid down and the Colorado River carved the canyon over the last few thousand years. The walls of the canyon are composed of different layers of gneis at the bottom with sandstones, shales, and limestones swapping back and forth as you ascend. These formations are well known and named, but I won't go into that. The interesting thing is that if the sandstones were cut by the river prior to forming stone, the canyon would look very different than it does. Loose sand, wet or dry could not hold the sheer vertical faces that exist today. Further, there are sandstone formations that were not formed under water and these lie between layers that were solution formed rock. Further, if the whole of these strata were formed under water, they would not have the same layering effect that is apparent today.

Finally, another comment about KAB's inerrent source of information. Joshua stopped the sun in Joshua 10: 12-13. He stopped the moon too. Another of those pesky contradictions found within the good book. Conditions that would have allowed Joshua at least the dream of stopping the sun and moon could only exist if the Earth were the center of the solar system and the sun and moon along with everything else revolved around us. Since those conditions have been shown to be false, stopping the sun wouldn't have amounted to anything which...sorry I just stopped the sun. Did you see it. Me neither.

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#115509 May 14, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Like all DarwinBots on this forum, you must defer to the credentials of others when you are backed into a corner.
You are blindly swallowing whatever dogma is presented to you by the intellectuals of the world. I look at the evidence and decide for myself.

Decide for yourself the answer to the following:


f'(x)={f(x+h)- f(x)}\(h)
lim h-->0

Can you look at the evidence and decide what the atmosphere of an extrasolar planet is composed of?

Can you answer this question (on Indian civil service test)
The Bay of Bengal is in which state?

Frankly, we have experts because it is not possible for anyone to know everything that is known nor how to evaluate the information in complex fields.

And you have not even shown yourself to be of even average intelligence or education, so.....

“I am Sisyphus”

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#115510 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I raise questions about experts' findings. Do you think that's inappropriate?

When you don't know enough about the field to raise VALID objections, then yes, that is inappropriate.

You are not raising actual objections, you are just serving your own confirmation bias. All your "objections" mean is that you don't want to believe the findings of science.

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#115511 May 14, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>It is unfortunate that many [including the likes of Richard Dawkins] have labeled anyone who quesitons evolution as "anti-science". Such a position is the antithesis of true scientific investigation.

Surely you can provide a quote and source for this labeling.

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#115512 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It was a slow drainage. It's in the record. Have you ever observed the effect of a slowly decreasing water level on sand on a surface? Do you see how this didn't require even a single back-flip? Why do you insist on making invalid assumptions? Is it because that's the only way to attempt to defend your case?

Why do you insist on making invalid assumptions? Is it because that's the only way to attempt to defend your case?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#115513 May 14, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Yet the paper I have been repeatedly referencing http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/33/4/321.f...
DOES have data that offers NO scenario where a MASSIVE amount of water innundated the region, and instead offers (again) the following conclusion:
"Only exceptional global climatic disturbances have occasionally permitted humidity transfer across the Andes into the driest regions of this coastal desert since ca. 25 Ma."
....and no, "HUMIDITY" does in no way suggest a miles-deep flood.
No wiggle room here. There was no flood in the Atacama region since it was raised out of the Atlantic Ocean about 30MYA.
As I have previously stated and you here once again reinforce, your side is not comfortable beyond the conclusions and summary statements since you are so not technically savvy and don't understand the data.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#115514 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Got spanked on Tyre, so now... Really? NOW you want to run the numbers on a global flood that topped the mountains under the entire heavens by 15 cubits? You realize that the calculations haven't changed any in at least a couple dozen posts. Numbers and data are like that. Maybe they don't like you KAB? It's glaringly transparent that you don't like them. Math must be a tool of Satan?
Wouldn't you suppose that the ass would be the one who has been avoiding and ignoring those numbers as "dataless assertions?"
Do you think that the world hasn't caught on that you are going to continue to incorrigibly avoid and ignore that which CONCLUSIVELY disproves your dataless ASSertion that "the Bible is a demonstrably reliable source?"
Once again, no data, no numbers, no math, I see.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#115515 May 14, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Never been to the beach, huh? Putz.
Yes, I have been to the beach. What do you want to hilite about it?

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#115516 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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As I have previously stated and you here once again reinforce, your side is not comfortable beyond the conclusions and summary statements since you are so not technically savvy and don't understand the data.
Yet you provide no data. You make allusions. You dance around. You dodge and hem and haw.

I don't think you are technically savvy either. It would seem that you aren't savvy at all.

On the upside, someone was asking in one of these threads about an example of a monkey typing Shakespear or any seemingly coherent work. I will let them know where to find you.

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

Level 9

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#115517 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Once again, no data, no numbers, no math, I see.
As if you would be able to interpret real data in any meaningful way.

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#115518 May 14, 2013
The number of times KAB has demanded data. 23,128.

The number of times KAB has provided data. 0.

Watching KAB make an ass out of himself. Priceless.

“See how you are?”

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Earth

#115519 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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As I have previously stated and you here once again reinforce, your side is not comfortable beyond the conclusions and summary statements since you are so not technically savvy and don't understand the data.
Aww.. still miffed that your badly contrived "global rain gauge" failed to rationalize a trillion tons of magic water?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#115520 May 14, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I'm willing to bet that you posted in the form of a question so you can weasel out of it later.
Whatever legitimately gets the job done. That's the element your side consistently lacks.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#115521 May 14, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
According to flood supporters the Grand Canyon is the result of the noachian flood. Sediment from the flood was laid down and the Colorado River carved the canyon over the last few thousand years. The walls of the canyon are composed of different layers of gneis at the bottom with sandstones, shales, and limestones swapping back and forth as you ascend. These formations are well known and named, but I won't go into that. The interesting thing is that if the sandstones were cut by the river prior to forming stone, the canyon would look very different than it does. Loose sand, wet or dry could not hold the sheer vertical faces that exist today. Further, there are sandstone formations that were not formed under water and these lie between layers that were solution formed rock. Further, if the whole of these strata were formed under water, they would not have the same layering effect that is apparent today.
Finally, another comment about KAB's inerrent source of information. Joshua stopped the sun in Joshua 10: 12-13. He stopped the moon too. Another of those pesky contradictions found within the good book. Conditions that would have allowed Joshua at least the dream of stopping the sun and moon could only exist if the Earth were the center of the solar system and the sun and moon along with everything else revolved around us. Since those conditions have been shown to be false, stopping the sun wouldn't have amounted to anything which...sorry I just stopped the sun. Did you see it. Me neither.
You make some good Grand Canyon points.

Regarding Joshua, it seems he was addressing a visual thing, don't you think?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#115522 May 14, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you provide no data. You make allusions. You dance around. You dodge and hem and haw.
I don't think you are technically savvy either. It would seem that you aren't savvy at all.
On the upside, someone was asking in one of these threads about an example of a monkey typing Shakespear or any seemingly coherent work. I will let them know where to find you.
Try quoting me as confirmation of any of your assertions about me.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#115523 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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As I have previously stated and you here once again reinforce, your side is not comfortable beyond the conclusions and summary statements since you are so not technically savvy and don't understand the data.
Silly me.

I prefer to take the findings of TEAMS of professional Geologists with reams of supporting data above the UNsupported assertions of an individual that has admitted no substantial training in geology, and a clear bias for Bronze-age mythology.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#115524 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I raise questions about experts' findings. Do you think that's inappropriate?
But, not about things that you think might support your Bible story.

How is that not confirmation bias?

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#115525 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Once again, no data, no numbers, no math, I see.
If you want the data, numbers and math, all you have to do is scroll back over the last several hundred pages. When you see a post where you've written"dataless assertion" look just above where it starts out "______ wrote:" and THIS time keep reading.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#115526 May 14, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Try quoting me as confirmation of any of your assertions about me.
Quote all the word-twisting, wiggle-room-searching, and bullshittery you've done to prove to YOU that you've done exactly what we've watched you do since you got here? Don't you remember any of the wacky bullshit you've said? We do.

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