It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Full Story
KAB

Des Moines, IA

#114887 May 7, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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We have already refuted this.
You have a short memory.
"So if Ezekiel was declaring that Nebuchadnezzar would be the instrument that Yahweh would use to destroy Tyre, why did he say that "many nations" would be sent against it? A reasonable explanation of the prophet's reference to "many-nations" can be found in the ethnic compositions of early empires. Empires like Babylonia formed from the conquest and annexation of surrounding tribes and nations, so when an area was assimilated into an adjoining kingdom, the soldiers of the conquered nations served the greater empire. The Assyrian empire, for example, crumbled when the combined forces of the Medes, Babylonians, and Scythians plundered Assur in 614 B. C. and Nineveh in 612. When Haran fell to these allied forces in 610 and then Carchemish in 605, most of the Assyrian territory was annexed by Babylon. In such cases, defeated armies swore allegiance to their conquerers, so the armies of a king like Nebuchadnezzar were actually armies of "many nations."
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/992t...
Trying to ride on the corpse of a dead horse will not get you anywhere.
That's certainly an understandable viewpoint, but would still represent only one possibility.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114888 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You make an excellent point. If the prophecy was only that Tyre would be attacked, that would not be a prophecy of any value. Of course, that's far from all the prophecy states. There are a number of details that make the defeating of Tyre unique. Why do you not enumerate them? Would that weaken your red car assertion?
You mean the number of details that never happened?

Again, everyday damage and raiding is not prophecy. When you extend it over a thousand years the fact that material was taken out of the city is not longer prophesy, that is to be expected. The only thing left are the things that never happened. "It will never be found again". We know exactly where Tyre is. "You will never be rebuilt". It has been rebuilt many times. "You will be buried by the sea." Nope still above water.

Only the "You will see a red car" prophesies came true.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114889 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data makes you think Nebby didn't fulfill the Egyptian prophecy?
Backwards as usual again KAB. If you want to claim something happened it is up to you to show the evidence. The onus is always more on the person making a positive claim, not a negative claim.
KAB

Des Moines, IA

#114890 May 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You mean the number of details that never happened?
Again, everyday damage and raiding is not prophecy. When you extend it over a thousand years the fact that material was taken out of the city is not longer prophesy, that is to be expected. The only thing left are the things that never happened. "It will never be found again". We know exactly where Tyre is. "You will never be rebuilt". It has been rebuilt many times. "You will be buried by the sea." Nope still above water.
Only the "You will see a red car" prophesies came true.
There must be a reasson you didn't put scraping bare and throwing in the water on your list. What is it? BTW, you don't know where Tyre the island is, and the reason is obvious.
KAB

Des Moines, IA

#114891 May 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Backwards as usual again KAB. If you want to claim something happened it is up to you to show the evidence. The onus is always more on the person making a positive claim, not a negative claim.
If I had non-Bible evidence for Nebby conquering Egypt, I would provide it, but the present reality is very reminiscent of Sargon, the earlier years. If you choose not to accept the Bible's account, you won't be alone or the first, but you will likely eventually be proven wrong, given the Bible's track record (Matthew 24:30).

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#114892 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data makes you think Nebby didn't fulfill the Egyptian prophecy?
Ezekiel prophesies the conquest of Egypt, the scattering of its entire population (it was to be uninhabited for 40 years), and Nebuchadnezzar plundering Egypt (Ezekiel 29:3 Ezekiel 30:26).

This includes the claim that God will make Egypt so weak that it will never again rule over other nations. Pharaoh Amasis II (who drove off Nebuchadnezzar) also conquered Cyprus, ruling it until 545 BC. Despite being a powerful nation in ancient times, Egypt has since been ruled by the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantine Empire, Ottomans, British and the French, and has also enjoyed periods of independence from external rule.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#114893 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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If I had non-Bible evidence for Nebby conquering Egypt, I would provide it, but the present reality is very reminiscent of Sargon, the earlier years. If you choose not to accept the Bible's account, you won't be alone or the first, but you will likely eventually be proven wrong, given the Bible's track record (Matthew 24:30).
How would Matthew know anything??

We don't even know the name of the person who wrote 'Matthew'?? He didn't know Jesus....never meet Him.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#114894 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data makes you think Nebby didn't fulfill the Egyptian prophecy?
Then of course there is Damascus.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114895 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You make an excellent point. If the prophecy was only that Tyre would be attacked, that would not be a prophecy of any value. Of course, that's far from all the prophecy states. There are a number of details that make the defeating of Tyre unique. Why do you not enumerate them? Would that weaken your red car assertion?

Are you on drugs?

As the sane people here have all acknowledged, ALL the details are against Tyre myth.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114896 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data makes you think Nebby didn't fulfill the Egyptian prophecy?

Where you not here when we went over this before?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114897 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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That's certainly an understandable viewpoint, but would still represent only one possibility.

No.



Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
We have already refuted this.
You have a short memory.
"So if Ezekiel was declaring that Nebuchadnezzar would be the instrument that Yahweh would use to destroy Tyre, why did he say that "many nations" would be sent against it? A reasonable explanation of the prophet's reference to "many-nations" can be found in the ethnic compositions of early empires. Empires like Babylonia formed from the conquest and annexation of surrounding tribes and nations, so when an area was assimilated into an adjoining kingdom, the soldiers of the conquered nations served the greater empire. The Assyrian empire, for example, crumbled when the combined forces of the Medes, Babylonians, and Scythians plundered Assur in 614 B. C. and Nineveh in 612. When Haran fell to these allied forces in 610 and then Carchemish in 605, most of the Assyrian territory was annexed by Babylon. In such cases, defeated armies swore allegiance to their conquerers, so the armies of a king like Nebuchadnezzar were actually armies of "many nations."
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/992t ...
Trying to ride on the corpse of a dead horse will not get you anywhere.
KAB

Des Moines, IA

#114899 May 7, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Ezekiel prophesies the conquest of Egypt, the scattering of its entire population (it was to be uninhabited for 40 years), and Nebuchadnezzar plundering Egypt (Ezekiel 29:3 Ezekiel 30:26).
This includes the claim that God will make Egypt so weak that it will never again rule over other nations. Pharaoh Amasis II (who drove off Nebuchadnezzar) also conquered Cyprus, ruling it until 545 BC. Despite being a powerful nation in ancient times, Egypt has since been ruled by the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantine Empire, Ottomans, British and the French, and has also enjoyed periods of independence from external rule.
What data are you going to provide confirming that something in the Egypt prophecy was not fulfilled, or are you planning to go with lack of data?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114900 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data are you going to provide confirming that something in the Egypt prophecy was not fulfilled, or are you planning to go with lack of data?

Again, that is not our job. You are such a lazy, self centered arse. You are always practicing your cult inspired denialism.

BTW, what do you think causes AIDS?

Just baiting you to say something amusing AND stupid, rather than just blithely stupid.

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#114901 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data are you going to provide confirming that something in the Egypt prophecy was not fulfilled, or are you planning to go with lack of data?
Now no one is going to copy your strategy, so relax.

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#114902 May 7, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Again, that is not our job. You are such a lazy, self centered arse. You are always practicing your cult inspired denialism.
BTW, what do you think causes AIDS?
Just baiting you to say something amusing AND stupid, rather than just blithely stupid.
So does this argument surrounding biblical prophecy mean that KAB finally gave up on his "there is no evidence that there wasn't a global flood" theory?
KAB

Des Moines, IA

#114903 May 7, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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How would Matthew know anything??
We don't even know the name of the person who wrote 'Matthew'?? He didn't know Jesus....never meet Him.
What data confirms that Matthew didn't write Matthew?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#114904 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data are you going to provide confirming that something in the Egypt prophecy was not fulfilled, or are you planning to go with lack of data?
It is known by most Bible non-believers that this is a strong case for a Biblical error.

I can find no evidence to dispute the error in it. Can you find evidence it actually happened? So far in my archaeology studies I can't find any writings or evidence that Egypt was barren for 40 years
KAB

Des Moines, IA

#114905 May 7, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Where you not here when we went over this before?
Of course I've been here every time. Were you hoping I'd accept dataless assertions? Were you not here when I stated directly to you my position on dataless assertions?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114906 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data confirms that Matthew didn't write Matthew?
Talk to Biblical scholars. They will tell you why. Or you could Google search it:

http://lmgtfy.com/...

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#114907 May 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What data confirms that Matthew didn't write Matthew?
Well, Bart Ehrman, a respected New Testament scholar and religious teacher at UNC Chapel Hill, and writer of a number of books on the New Testament tells us that the writers are anonymous and that Princeton Theological Seminary actually teaches this fact. Many earlier scholars have also pointed out that the Gospels are likely anonymous.

I know you will come to your own conclusions and not look at the evidence....so be it....Just remember that the real truth is out there..:-)

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