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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114632 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The subject is Nebby's defeat of Egypt.
Yes, and you failed to show that it happened. In other words, you showed that the prophesy failed by your failure.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#114633 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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As I stated, I hope you'll follow his lead, or change to a data-intensive and reliably correct contributor.

How can I change to what I am?

Are you projecting again?

I think you are getting bitter.
KAB

United States

#114634 Apr 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong again. I cannot give a record of what did not happen. You wil make the foolish claim that since there is no record of him defeating Egypt he could have defeated Egypt. This is the purest of nonsense. If he had defeated Egypt he would have kept records of it. He didn't. Egypt would have records of it, they don't. Neighboring countries would have records of it. They don't. We know that Nebby attacked Egypt after he went after Tyre. We also know that attack did not pan out.
Now he did defeat the Egyptian army in the field in around 605 BC but that was long before Zeke's prophecy. That confuses some people. This article has a time line of Nebby. Once again he did not defeat Egypt:
http://www.sanityquestpublishing.com/essays/B...
And remember the rules of debate say that if someone wants to make a positive claim it is up to him to provide evidence for that claim. Or as the great Hitch said, and I am paraphrasing here: "Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". Your claim that the prophecy was fulfilled is dismissed.
Is this what you've been eagerly awaiting?

http://www.livius.org/be-bm/berossus/berossus...
KAB

United States

#114635 Apr 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Another detour into Stupid brought to you by KAB.
I didn't raise the specter of Canada conquering America. I agree it was stupid.
KAB

United States

#114636 Apr 30, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Do you agree then that, based on historical records, the flood never happened?
The "historical records" knife doth cut bidirectionally.
Historical records all over the world document the flood, not the least of these is the Bible.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114637 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Is this what you've been eagerly awaiting?
http://www.livius.org/be-bm/berossus/berossus...
Nope, check your dates. Nebby's one victory over Egypt was in around 605 BCE, before the prophesy. It was a battle in the field.

Remember with BCE dates the higher number was longer ago, or earlier. The war with Tyre started around 586 BCE. After the victory in the field. Much later. Zeke predicted that Nebby would defeat Egypt too. He never did.

In other words, wrong, try again.

P.S. You should read all of your articles, even that one at the bottom noted that Nebby never defeated the country of Egypt. There is a big difference between defeating an army of a country in the field of battle and defeating a whole country.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114638 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Historical records all over the world document the flood, not the least of these is the Bible.
No, they don't.

There are flood myths with almost every ancient society that is along some sort of major water way. They tend to be missing from ancient societies that were did not have such an advantage. Of course most ancient societies were along some sort of major water way so most ancient society had flood myths. Myths are not "historical records".

In fact there is not one historical record of the flood.
KAB

United States

#114639 Apr 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nope, check your dates. Nebby's one victory over Egypt was in around 605 BCE, before the prophesy. It was a battle in the field.
Remember with BCE dates the higher number was longer ago, or earlier. The war with Tyre started around 586 BCE. After the victory in the field. Much later. Zeke predicted that Nebby would defeat Egypt too. He never did.
In other words, wrong, try again.
P.S. You should read all of your articles, even that one at the bottom noted that Nebby never defeated the country of Egypt. There is a big difference between defeating an army of a country in the field of battle and defeating a whole country.
Why do you accept dataless notes (i.e., someone's opinion?) rather than the record itself?
KAB

United States

#114640 Apr 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, they don't.
There are flood myths with almost every ancient society that is along some sort of major water way. They tend to be missing from ancient societies that were did not have such an advantage. Of course most ancient societies were along some sort of major water way so most ancient society had flood myths. Myths are not "historical records".
In fact there is not one historical record of the flood.
You're entitled to your opinion.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#114641 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I didn't raise the specter of Canada conquering America. I agree it was stupid.

You are confused.

Canada conquering American is satire or sarcasm.

Your beliefs are stupid (i.e. not based upon the objective data).

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#114642 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Historical records all over the world document the flood, not the least of these is the Bible.

This is false.

There are flood mythologies from all over the world.

They are from different peoples at different times.

There is no account of a global flood by civilizations that were present one year before, during the year of the flood and still present one year later.

Where is the flood account from Egypt who had a thriving empire at that time (before, after and during)?

So, at best you are in error. More likely you are simply lying again which is a compulsion of yours. Like an addict you lie even when you have no reason to do so.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#114643 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Why do you accept dataless notes (i.e., someone's opinion?) rather than the record itself?

The dates are based on history. They are based on the record.

the record itself gives no dates. It is date-a-less source.

Your suggesting otherwise is a lie.

You just can't stop.


“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#114644 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You're entitled to your opinion.

His opinion is based on history.

Your opinion is based on mythology.

Actually on a misunderstanding of the nature of the mythology, but that is an egg to crack another day.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#114645 Apr 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Another detour into Stupid brought to you by KAB.
Yah.

*still shaking head*

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#114646 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The subject is Nebby's defeat of Egypt.
Per Wiki: "Jehoiakim was installed as king of Judah by pharaoh Necho II in 608 BC, who deposed his younger brother Jehoahaz after a reign of only three months and took him to Egypt, where he died.[2] Jehoiakim ruled originally as a vassal of the Egyptians, paying a heavy tribute. To raise the money he "taxed the land and exacted the silver and gold from the people of the land according to their assessments."[7]

However, when the Egyptians were defeated by the Babylonians at Carchemish in 605 BC, Jehoiakim changed allegiances, paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon.

After three years, with the Egyptians and Babylonians still at war, he switched back to the Egyptians and ceased paying the tribute to Babylon. In 599 BC, Nebuchadnezzar II invaded Judah and laid siege to Jerusalem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehoiakim

Jehoiakim was King of Judah, which Nebby (re)conquered.

<<map of Judah>>

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Judah was for a period of history, a SEGMENT of the kingdom of Egypt, NOT the entire Kingdom of Egypt.

It would be like a foreign power "invading and conquering" New Hampshire. That foreign power would not have been considered to have conquered the entire United States, now would they?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114647 Apr 30, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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The dates are based on history. They are based on the record.
the record itself gives no dates. It is date-a-less source.
Your suggesting otherwise is a lie.
You just can't stop.
Did I state anything about dates in my reference, oh inattentive erroneous one?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114648 Apr 30, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Why do you accept dataless notes (i.e., someone's opinion?) rather than the record itself?
What record are you talking about?

History from multiple sources is "data". Zeke predicts Nebby's victories but there is no record of them. Anywhere. Not even in the Bible.

Zeke failed.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#114649 Apr 30, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This is false.
There are flood mythologies from all over the world.
They are from different peoples at different times.
There is no account of a global flood by civilizations that were present one year before, during the year of the flood and still present one year later.
Where is the flood account from Egypt who had a thriving empire at that time (before, after and during)?
So, at best you are in error. More likely you are simply lying again which is a compulsion of yours. Like an addict you lie even when you have no reason to do so.
Appended without comment:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sumerians-lo...
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114650 Apr 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Per Wiki: "Jehoiakim was installed as king of Judah by pharaoh Necho II in 608 BC, who deposed his younger brother Jehoahaz after a reign of only three months and took him to Egypt, where he died.[2] Jehoiakim ruled originally as a vassal of the Egyptians, paying a heavy tribute. To raise the money he "taxed the land and exacted the silver and gold from the people of the land according to their assessments."[7]
However, when the Egyptians were defeated by the Babylonians at Carchemish in 605 BC, Jehoiakim changed allegiances, paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon.
After three years, with the Egyptians and Babylonians still at war, he switched back to the Egyptians and ceased paying the tribute to Babylon. In 599 BC, Nebuchadnezzar II invaded Judah and laid siege to Jerusalem."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehoiakim
Jehoiakim was King of Judah, which Nebby (re)conquered.
<<map of Judah>>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Judah was for a period of history, a SEGMENT of the kingdom of Egypt, NOT the entire Kingdom of Egypt.
It would be like a foreign power "invading and conquering" New Hampshire. That foreign power would not have been considered to have conquered the entire United States, now would they?
No
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114651 Apr 30, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What record are you talking about?
History from multiple sources is "data". Zeke predicts Nebby's victories but there is no record of them. Anywhere. Not even in the Bible.
Zeke failed.
Berossus' record.

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