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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114505 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I know the causeway which eliminated Tyre's island status didn't build itself. There's been no mention of a nearby quarry, so what can we conclude about how the fill for the causeway was obtained? BTW, this isn't rocket science,... rock yes, rocket no.
We know it did not come from Tyre itself. Put on your thinking cap and try real hard they couldn't use Tyre to build the causeway that goes to Tyre because they were trying to reach ....?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114506 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Would peninsula be on the list of possibilities?
No.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114507 Apr 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Stupid. Zeke said Tyre would never be rebuilt. He and his lord buddy were wrong.
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This is friggin hilarious. Now we have KAB backstroking to the position that Zeke and his pal only meant semi-rebuilding. Some rebuilding is OK. Never being rebuilt now means never totally rebuilt.
You are certifiable.
I have never declared that it means never being totally rebuilt.
If you were adept with the language, you could have discerned what the possibilities are yourself.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#114508 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Is suggestion equivalent to confirmation? Unfortunately for you, answering this properly calls for analyzing data. You could, of course, stick with your practice of winging it.

I can only assume this is projection.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114509 Apr 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, but according to your excessively vague requirements for a prophecy to be false you could claim anything. You could claim one prophecy supports two very different religions since according to your standards the prophecy was not proven false.
A prophecy is supposed to be a definite prediction, not some vague guess. If a prophecy is not specific it is trivial. A trivial prophecy is worthless.
Nebuchadnezzar involved in defeat of Tyre, and scraping and throwing into the water becoming the noteworthy means of overthrow of the island city is not an unnamed red car seen on a rainy day, is it?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114510 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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How many testable points do you require to be confirmed correct?

My standards for a confirmed reliable source is for it to be confirmed to be reliable.

But right now you are batting somewhere south of 5%. I suggest upping your average to minor league level.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#114511 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Perhaps you're wrong about my not understanding DK. You perhaps more than anyone in this forum declare positions on behalf of others, which they themselves have not expressed. Judging from how frequently you're wrong without realizing it, you seem to be a good candidate for DK.

Judging by your post you don't seem to understand the D-K Effect.

It is that rater self evaluation of competence is inversely proportional to actual knowledge of the area under consideration.

Remind you of anyone?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114512 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It appears the island city of Tyre has never been rebuilt, a linguistically and contextually legitimate understanding of what the prophecy states. I've enjoyed the game. I suspect we'll play again sometime.

This is just another of your lies. Plain and simple.

I would expect a disciple of the father of lies to be better at it but, in fairness to your master, he did not have much to work with.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114513 Apr 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You forgot or none of them are true.
Tell the class the meaning of "at most one".
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114514 Apr 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Your question is non-coherent. An intelligent person would be expected to formulate an intelligent question.
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Opposite, actually. You seem to have the odd idea that if you keep typing words then you have not lost. It really does not work that way.
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That would be a logical thing to do. However, you are quibbling over one tiny point as you are unable to compete on the plethora of other points that have been refuted.
But a prophecy should be 100% correct, correct?
I mean if a bit here and a bit there are correct but the bulk if it is disproved then that does not count. Right?
I do not expect a cogent answer to the above questions. You can't, so you won't. As per typical.
1. The "Prophecy" was made AFTER the city was seized by Nebby.
2. Lest go verse by verse
26:1 - When the prophecy was given. Note that it is AFTER the actual attack by Nebbys troops.
26:2 - Why
27:3 - God is ticked
27:4 - Failed. Never happened.
27:5 - Failed. Island still exists.
27:6 - Check ..... actually happened.
26:7 Check.... actually happened.
26:8 Check
26:9 Failed. He never destroyed the walls to the city nor the towers of the city. The little village towns were sacked, but these have been described as "suburbs". These were lower class workers. They provided food and supplies to the gentry that lived in the city.
26:10 Failed. Nebby failed to enter the city abet not without trying. Tyre agreed to pay tribute and probably only did that because their supplies were cut off.
26:11 Probably failed. This again seems to be referring to the City, not the surrounding village.
26:12 Epic Fail. The wealth, the walls, the fine houses were all on in the island city where Nebby never entered.
26:13 Cannot be determined. Maybe they had to pay the harps as part of the tribute. Most likely another failure.
26:14 Grand Imperial Pooh Bah of failures.
26:15 - 26:18 Also seems clear enough who is being talked about,... again; "men of the sea"
26:19 Complete, utter and total failure. Tyre is still above water. In fact it is larger now than in Phonetician times.
26:20 Failed.
26:21 Epic failure. We know where it is and it is still inhabited.
I hope this clears things up.
If one part fails then the whole prophecy fails,.... right?
Did I state that indoor rain is impossible?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114515 Apr 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You have a very strange definition of "rebuilt".
When you rebuild a city you do not rebuild the old buildings. That is called "rebuilding the original buildings".
A rebuilt city has new buildings to replace old ones lost in some sort of disaster.
London was rebuilt after the Great Fire of London. The same goes for Chicago and San Francisco. Chicago had a fire that devastated much of the city, San Francisco had a double whammy earthquake and then fire. It too was rebuilt.
Did they even try to rebuild all of the old buildings? No, not even close.
Redefining rebuilt in the way that you are has another name for it, it is called "grasping for straws".
It's also not the definition I'm using. I've never thought for a moment that rebuilding meant rebuilding the destroyed buildings.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114516 Apr 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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We know it did not come from Tyre itself. Put on your thinking cap and try real hard they couldn't use Tyre to build the causeway that goes to Tyre because they were trying to reach ....?
At least you got that right. Finally, you're starting to reason. While you're on a roll, where did they get the scrapings to build the causeway out to the island?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114517 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It's also not the definition I'm using. I've never thought for a moment that rebuilding meant rebuilding the destroyed buildings.
Fine then we agree. Tyre is rebuilt and the prophecy fails.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114518 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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At least you got that right. Finally, you're starting to reason. While you're on a roll, where did they get the scrapings to build the causeway out to the island?
I know the answer you moron, that question is for you to answer.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114519 Apr 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Judging by your post you don't seem to understand the D-K Effect.
It is that rater self evaluation of competence is inversely proportional to actual knowledge of the area under consideration.
Remind you of anyone?
The Guy, since he's always acting as if he's a good judge of what others' positions are, yet is so incompetent at it.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114520 Apr 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Fine then we agree. Tyre is rebuilt and the prophecy fails.
No. It appears that the significant island city which was there has never been rebuilt, and since the island no longer exists, never will be rebuilt. Prophecy fulfilled.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#114521 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Perhaps you're wrong about my not understanding DK. You perhaps more than anyone in this forum declare positions on behalf of others, which they themselves have not expressed. Judging from how frequently you're wrong without realizing it, you seem to be a good candidate for DK.
Nope...not based on the things you've said. If you've been intentionally saying stupid things, you'd have a point.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114522 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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No. It appears that the significant island city which was there has never been rebuilt, and since the island no longer exists, never will be rebuilt. Prophecy fulfilled.
No, the significant island city is there today. It has been rebuilt.

Go back and read the verses again. It does not say "You will rebuild part of the island" It says the island will not be rebuilt. Full stop. Period. Finito.

You can only wallow in stupid for a limited amount of time, otherwise the condition becomes permanent.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#114523 Apr 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, the significant island city is there today. It has been rebuilt.
Go back and read the verses again. It does not say "You will rebuild part of the island" It says the island will not be rebuilt. Full stop. Period. Finito.
You can only wallow in stupid for a limited amount of time, otherwise the condition becomes permanent.
You've certainly proven stupid can persist. The island no longer exists, thus no island city. It's that simple, except for the persistently stupid.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114524 Apr 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You've certainly proven stupid can persist. The island no longer exists, thus no island city. It's that simple, except for the persistently stupid.
You idiot, the island is still there. It is not an island anymore.

Yours has to be the weakest excuse ever for denying the failure of the Tyre prophesy.

Why can't fundies be honest?

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