It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Full Story

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#114423 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You're entitled to your opinion.
So, you admit that you're just asserting opinion, not objective facts. You're so pointless. Spheres aren't as pointless as you are.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#114424 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I do not hold science to an unrealistic standard of absolute certainty. I also don't raise science above where it is. You do.
Sure you do. You ask for conclusive evidence. Why do you lie?
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114425 Apr 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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A negative cannot be proven.
That's interesting since I just proved one.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114426 Apr 27, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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A good search term on this would be "Dunning-Kruger effect."
Except that what was stated is not the Dunning-Kruger effect. It is instead a statement the two parts of which directly contradict each other. So it may have been stated by someone suffering from DK.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114427 Apr 27, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Kitten Koder wrote, "A negative cannot be proven."
That depends.
If a claim is made regarding something invisible, it can't be disproven.
That's how Carl Sagan got by with claiming that there was an invisible dragon in his garage.
On the other thread, one of the Creationists challenged the Evolutionists to prove that God doesn't exist.
I guess we can't, since God is invisible.
Also, if a claim is not confined to a particular place, it would be difficult to disprove.
In order to prove that there are no werewolves or vampires, one would have to explore the entire world.
However, a claim might be disproven if it involves the visible and is limited to a particular place.
One could go to the peak of Mount Olympus to find out if the Greek gods live there.
One could also go to the North Pole to find out if Santa Claus lives there.
Thanks TR. I hope Kitten will give you a hearing ear, or would that be seeing eye considering the nature of this forum? Refusal to accept truth from an opponent is a significant impediment to progress.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114428 Apr 27, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Sure you do. You ask for conclusive evidence. Why do you lie?
Can something be established as conclusive without conclusive evidence?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114429 Apr 27, 2013
Oh Markie, where art thou?

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#114430 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Can something be established as conclusive without conclusive evidence?
Not only do you, you claim do so DESPITE conclusive evidence. For starters, there is your statement, "the Bible is a demonstrably reliable source," which is just the tip of the cellophane iceberg you seem to fantasize as "Truth."
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114431 Apr 27, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Not only do you, you claim do so DESPITE conclusive evidence. For starters, there is your statement, "the Bible is a demonstrably reliable source," which is just the tip of the cellophane iceberg you seem to fantasize as "Truth."
Why don't you just demonstrate the Bible is unreliable. Oh, that's right. That would require confirming data, and all you provide are unconfirmed assertions. I realize that's so much easier, but alas, worthless.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114432 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Why don't you just demonstrate the Bible is unreliable. Oh, that's right. That would require confirming data, and all you provide are unconfirmed assertions. I realize that's so much easier, but alas, worthless.
How do you want the Bible invalidated?

What would it take for the Bible to be shown to be wrong for you?
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114433 Apr 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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How do you want the Bible invalidated?
What would it take for the Bible to be shown to be wrong for you?
For something stated in the Bible, provide conclusive data confirming that there is no linguistically, grammatically, and contextually valid possible understanding which could be correct.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114434 Apr 27, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Kitten Koder wrote, "A negative cannot be proven."
That depends.
If a claim is made regarding something invisible, it can't be disproven.
That's how Carl Sagan got by with claiming that there was an invisible dragon in his garage.
On the other thread, one of the Creationists challenged the Evolutionists to prove that God doesn't exist.
I guess we can't, since God is invisible.
Also, if a claim is not confined to a particular place, it would be difficult to disprove.
In order to prove that there are no werewolves or vampires, one would have to explore the entire world.
However, a claim might be disproven if it involves the visible and is limited to a particular place.
One could go to the peak of Mount Olympus to find out if the Greek gods live there.
One could also go to the North Pole to find out if Santa Claus lives there.
Asking for evidence that something never happens is an impossibility, it cannot be done, because a lack of evidence is essentially meaning it never happens. However, since nothing can be proven with 100% certainty, no matter what it is, a negative cannot be proven, an assertion that depends on an absence of evidence cannot be proven. Not to mention, what he pulled is a red herring anyway, and has nothing to do with what I had originally stated.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114435 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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That's interesting since I just proved one.
No you have not.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114436 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Thanks TR. I hope Kitten will give you a hearing ear, or would that be seeing eye considering the nature of this forum? Refusal to accept truth from an opponent is a significant impediment to progress.
Thomas is intelligent, but even intelligent people are wrong, and in this case he was not correct. What you asked is basically the equivalent of asking to prove that rain never falls indoors.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114437 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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For something stated in the Bible, provide conclusive data confirming that there is no linguistically, grammatically, and contextually valid possible understanding which could be correct.
Sorry, that is ridiculously vague. Using that standard you could claim that any religion is "true".

Your test fails. Try again.

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#114438 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Hasn't the non-biblical historian "scraped bare" testimony data already been provided, I think even by your side?

DODGE.

A dodge is a DISHONEST (AKA a lie) attempt to avoid the issue.

And no.


To refresh your memory.


1. The "Prophecy" was made AFTER the city was seized by Nebby.

2. Lest go verse by verse

26:1 - When the prophecy was given. Note that it is AFTER the actual attack by Nebbys troops.

26:2 - Why

27:3 - God is ticked

27:4 - Failed. Never happened.

27:5 - Failed. Island still exists.

27:6 - Check ..... actually happened.

26:7 Check.... actually happened.

26:8 Check

26:9 Failed. He never destroyed the walls to the city nor the towers of the city. The little village towns were sacked, but these have been described as "suburbs". These were lower class workers. They provided food and supplies to the gentry that lived in the city.

26:10 Failed. Nebby failed to enter the city abet not without trying. Tyre agreed to pay tribute and probably only did that because their supplies were cut off.

26:11 Probably failed. This again seems to be referring to the City, not the surrounding village.

26:12 Epic Fail. The wealth, the walls, the fine houses were all on in the island city where Nebby never entered.

26:13 Cannot be determined. Maybe they had to pay the harps as part of the tribute. Most likely another failure.

26:14 Grand Imperial Pooh Bah of failures.

26:15 - 26:18 Also seems clear enough who is being talked about,... again; "men of the sea"

26:19 Complete, utter and total failure. Tyre is still above water. In fact it is larger now than in Phonetician times.

26:20 Failed.

26:21 Epic failure. We know where it is and it is still inhabited.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#114439 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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As you indicated, you have no evidence.

As you implied, you have no evidence.

Again, you lost because:

You don't have any archeological, historic, or genetic evidence of that either.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#114440 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I await confirmation that it was rebuilt as an island city. I know that likely won't come from you.

As I already provided it, as have multiple others, this is, effectively, another LIE.

You lie with the authority of the author (alt: Father) of all lies.

Satan is your master.

Do you Satanists really have to kiss his butt? Isn't that where the expression came from?

“I am Sisyphus”

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#114441 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It's made of deformable crust as has been amply observed.

Deformed as in from pressure from ABOVE or deformed as in from pressure from BELOW.

You know the answer.

Your master will feed you more lies to tell.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#114442 Apr 27, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It's safe to say it would get wet and stay that way until the water subsided.

And the water that created mountains did nothing to fragile structures on the desert.

Again, the refutation is obvious.

1. Where did the water come from?

2. Where did the water go?

3. How did civilizations continue through this period, unaffected?

4. How did fragile items survive?

5. Why is there not water damage inside of all older structures (great pyramid)?

6. How did water soluble "paint's" used in cave and cliff paintings manage to survive?

7. Why is there absolutely no tangible evidence of a global flood to be found?

8. Why are there no modern fish fossils on dry land?

9. How did animals get from their homes to the Ark?

10. How did animals get from the ark back to their homes?

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