It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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No word whose definition includes "island" is used in the prophecy.
KAB, you don't have to play stupid here. We already know that you are.
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No, by doing so you make all claims of prophesy worthless.
With your definition any prophesy can be applied to almost any event.
Not so. The prophecy has very specific boundaries to its range of possible meaning (e.g., Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar, others must be involved, there must be scraping bare and throwing in water, at least some aspect of not rebuilding must be permanently sustained, and there's more). This is no red car you know!

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Subduction Zone wrote:
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KAB, you don't have to play stupid here. We already know that you are.
He ain't playin'.
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KittenKoder wrote:
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A negative cannot be proven.
Is the statement in the post to which I'm responding, "A negative can be proven."?

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KAB wrote:
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Is the statement in the post to which I'm responding, "A negative can be proven."?
A negative cannot be proven.

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KAB wrote:
"The more educated you are about something" reflects greater knowledge/understanding of the thing. "the less you realize you know about it" reflects lower realization of what you know about it, even tho the first phrase acknowledges realization of more. The two notions are mutually exclusive.
A good search term on this would be "Dunning-Kruger effect."

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Kitten Koder wrote, "A negative cannot be proven."

That depends.
If a claim is made regarding something invisible, it can't be disproven.
That's how Carl Sagan got by with claiming that there was an invisible dragon in his garage.
On the other thread, one of the Creationists challenged the Evolutionists to prove that God doesn't exist.
I guess we can't, since God is invisible.

Also, if a claim is not confined to a particular place, it would be difficult to disprove.
In order to prove that there are no werewolves or vampires, one would have to explore the entire world.

However, a claim might be disproven if it involves the visible and is limited to a particular place.
One could go to the peak of Mount Olympus to find out if the Greek gods live there.
One could also go to the North Pole to find out if Santa Claus lives there.

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"The more educated you are about something" reflects greater knowledge/understanding of the thing. "the less you realize you know about it" reflects lower realization of what you know about it, even tho the first phrase acknowledges realization of more. The two notions are mutually exclusive.
No. You are such a fantastic example of it, it would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.

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Apr 27, 2013
 
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You're entitled to your opinion.
So, you admit that you're just asserting opinion, not objective facts. You're so pointless. Spheres aren't as pointless as you are.

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I do not hold science to an unrealistic standard of absolute certainty. I also don't raise science above where it is. You do.
Sure you do. You ask for conclusive evidence. Why do you lie?
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A negative cannot be proven.
That's interesting since I just proved one.
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Thomas Robertson wrote:
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A good search term on this would be "Dunning-Kruger effect."
Except that what was stated is not the Dunning-Kruger effect. It is instead a statement the two parts of which directly contradict each other. So it may have been stated by someone suffering from DK.
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Apr 27, 2013
 
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Kitten Koder wrote, "A negative cannot be proven."
That depends.
If a claim is made regarding something invisible, it can't be disproven.
That's how Carl Sagan got by with claiming that there was an invisible dragon in his garage.
On the other thread, one of the Creationists challenged the Evolutionists to prove that God doesn't exist.
I guess we can't, since God is invisible.
Also, if a claim is not confined to a particular place, it would be difficult to disprove.
In order to prove that there are no werewolves or vampires, one would have to explore the entire world.
However, a claim might be disproven if it involves the visible and is limited to a particular place.
One could go to the peak of Mount Olympus to find out if the Greek gods live there.
One could also go to the North Pole to find out if Santa Claus lives there.
Thanks TR. I hope Kitten will give you a hearing ear, or would that be seeing eye considering the nature of this forum? Refusal to accept truth from an opponent is a significant impediment to progress.
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Apr 27, 2013
 
LowellGuy wrote:
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Sure you do. You ask for conclusive evidence. Why do you lie?
Can something be established as conclusive without conclusive evidence?
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Can something be established as conclusive without conclusive evidence?
Not only do you, you claim do so DESPITE conclusive evidence. For starters, there is your statement, "the Bible is a demonstrably reliable source," which is just the tip of the cellophane iceberg you seem to fantasize as "Truth."
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Not only do you, you claim do so DESPITE conclusive evidence. For starters, there is your statement, "the Bible is a demonstrably reliable source," which is just the tip of the cellophane iceberg you seem to fantasize as "Truth."
Why don't you just demonstrate the Bible is unreliable. Oh, that's right. That would require confirming data, and all you provide are unconfirmed assertions. I realize that's so much easier, but alas, worthless.

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Why don't you just demonstrate the Bible is unreliable. Oh, that's right. That would require confirming data, and all you provide are unconfirmed assertions. I realize that's so much easier, but alas, worthless.
How do you want the Bible invalidated?

What would it take for the Bible to be shown to be wrong for you?
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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How do you want the Bible invalidated?
What would it take for the Bible to be shown to be wrong for you?
For something stated in the Bible, provide conclusive data confirming that there is no linguistically, grammatically, and contextually valid possible understanding which could be correct.

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Thomas Robertson wrote:
Kitten Koder wrote, "A negative cannot be proven."
That depends.
If a claim is made regarding something invisible, it can't be disproven.
That's how Carl Sagan got by with claiming that there was an invisible dragon in his garage.
On the other thread, one of the Creationists challenged the Evolutionists to prove that God doesn't exist.
I guess we can't, since God is invisible.
Also, if a claim is not confined to a particular place, it would be difficult to disprove.
In order to prove that there are no werewolves or vampires, one would have to explore the entire world.
However, a claim might be disproven if it involves the visible and is limited to a particular place.
One could go to the peak of Mount Olympus to find out if the Greek gods live there.
One could also go to the North Pole to find out if Santa Claus lives there.
Asking for evidence that something never happens is an impossibility, it cannot be done, because a lack of evidence is essentially meaning it never happens. However, since nothing can be proven with 100% certainty, no matter what it is, a negative cannot be proven, an assertion that depends on an absence of evidence cannot be proven. Not to mention, what he pulled is a red herring anyway, and has nothing to do with what I had originally stated.

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