It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Full Story

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#114122 Apr 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Apparently, if Mark Twain was God it would have been done differently.
Apparently if you had a brain you would think.

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#114123 Apr 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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They really don't have much choice, do they? Push on or come to the realization that they have been duped.
snort.
Of course they have a choice. Their choice is fear and furtive self deception, and I muster neither excuse nor pity for it.

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Seffner, FL

#114124 Apr 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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snort.
Of course they have a choice. Their choice is fear and furtive self deception, and I muster neither excuse nor pity for it.
Nor I.
who knows

Duluth, GA

#114125 Apr 23, 2013
If evolution is true how did birds out smart us they can fly. Beside everything that God created in animals has eyes ears nose mouth.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114126 Apr 23, 2013
who knows wrote:
If evolution is true how did birds out smart us they can fly. Beside everything that God created in animals has eyes ears nose mouth.
WTF??
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114127 Apr 23, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
Ezekiel 30:10-11
“This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army – the most ruthless of nations – will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.”
Ezekiel predicts that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon will conquer Egypt utterly destroying it, slaying and scattering its people. In 568 BCE Nebuchadnezzar tried to conquer Egypt and Egypt survived with no apparent damage. Aahmes ruled for another generation over a prosperous Egypt and lived to see Nebuchadnezzar die. The Egyptians were never scattered or dispersed.
There's not much we can do with an assertion. Provide some data, and we'll have something to compare to the Bible record.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114128 Apr 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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There's not much we can do with an assertion. Provide some data, and we'll have something to compare to the Bible record.
Here is an article on it:

http://errancy.org/egypt.html

There are countless others. This site links this as a minor error and the failed Tyre prophesy as a major one.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114129 Apr 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>It is a logical assumption that life today operates under the same principles as it did in the past. So far this has been supported by the evidence, unlike other fantastic ideas and religious dogma. Some of the geologists here can correct me, but I believe modern geology no longer holds to strict view of gradualism. None the less, all this supports evidence of natural processes following the laws of physics and chemistry and supported by evidence.
What laws of physics would be violated by a few percent change in Earth's surface occurring inside of 4500 years?
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114130 Apr 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Don't take it out of context. It also said that Nebby was a king of kings, meaning that when he attacked several nations would attack.
All of the verses describing the attack talk about how he will lead it and HIS men will be the ones doing the conquering.
There is no way you can claim that a much greater king, Alexander the Great, was one of Nebby's men.
Plus Tyre is still there today. It was not destroyed. Like all ancient cities it has been rebuilt several times.
You will always be entitled to your opinion, even when it's confirmed incorrect as in this case.

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#114131 Apr 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You will always be entitled to your opinion, even when it's confirmed incorrect as in this case.
What do you mean?

In the case of the Tyre prophesy I have hit it out of the park.

If you read the prophesy the "Tyre" they are talking about is the island city. It is not my opinion that Nebuchadnezzar failed, it is a historical fact. That was the prophecy.

Worse yet, people live on an island that has been rebuilt several times today. It is not a barren rock in the middle of the sea where fishermen dry their nets.

I have provided evidence for this time and time again. Do you want to get your butt reamed out by the facts again?
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114132 Apr 23, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Assuming that the laws of physics change willy-nilly leads to last Thursdayism. Also, it's not born out by the evidence. As soon as you have evidence that the laws of physics have changed fundamentally during the life of the planet Earth, however many years you suppose that to be, please present it. Until then, there is no reason to think such a thing is true.
I have invoked no change in the laws of physics, nor have any been confirmed.

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Everett, WA

#114133 Apr 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What laws of physics would be violated by a few percent change in Earth's surface occurring inside of 4500 years?
Probably all of them.

What exactly do you propose?
KAB

Oxford, NC

#114134 Apr 23, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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And how does your "Noah's flood occurred" methodology square with that? Everything that disqualifies it as real is downplayed or dismissed, and anything that in any way supports or fits with the narrative is trumpeted to the mountaintops and clung to tenaciously, as though your very existence depended on it. How is that not exactly confirmation bias?
I identify data which harmonizes with the global flood account. Should I leave that to you? I identify lack of confirmation in data provided to demonstrate the flood did not occur. Should I leave that to you? I have succeeded, whereas you have failed miserably, on both of the above. How would those points be represented if only those with your mindset were involved?
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#114135 Apr 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have invoked no change in the laws of physics, nor have any been confirmed.
If you want Noah's flood to be true you do.
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#114136 Apr 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I identify data which harmonizes with the global flood account. Should I leave that to you? I identify lack of confirmation in data provided to demonstrate the flood did not occur. Should I leave that to you? I have succeeded, whereas you have failed miserably, on both of the above. How would those points be represented if only those with your mindset were involved?
So, only that which "harmonizes" with the flood story is confirmed, and all that refutes it is not confirmed.

Again, how is that not exactly confirmation bias?

No matter how you re-word it, that's what you do.

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Since: Jun 11

Bay of Fundy

#114137 Apr 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What do you mean?
In the case of the Tyre prophesy I have hit it out of the park.
If you read the prophesy the "Tyre" they are talking about is the island city. It is not my opinion that Nebuchadnezzar failed, it is a historical fact. That was the prophecy.
Worse yet, people live on an island that has been rebuilt several times today. It is not a barren rock in the middle of the sea where fishermen dry their nets.
I have provided evidence for this time and time again. Do you want to get your butt reamed out by the facts again?
Congratulations on the Tyre controversy. You are the winner.

Did KAB ever address the Damascus and Egypt problem?? I haven't been following this thread as close as I should have.

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Everett, WA

#114138 Apr 23, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Congratulations on the Tyre controversy. You are the winner.
Did KAB ever address the Damascus and Egypt problem?? I haven't been following this thread as close as I should have.
KAB, answer a question that shows his beliefs to be nonsensical? Are you kidding?

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#114139 Apr 24, 2013
who knows wrote:
If evolution is true how did birds out smart us they can fly. Beside everything that God created in animals has eyes ears nose mouth.

They got to stop letting 7 year olds on Topix.

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#114140 Apr 24, 2013
KAB wrote:
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There's not much we can do with an assertion. Provide some data, and we'll have something to compare to the Bible record.

There's not much we can do with an assertion. Provide some data, and we'll have something to compare to the Bible record.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#114141 Apr 24, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What laws of physics would be violated by a few percent change in Earth's surface occurring inside of 4500 years?

What evidence do you have that these changes occurred? Since recorded history goes back that far you would think someone would have noticed it.

Likewise with he flood. None of the existing civilizations even noticed, much less died in mass.

Maybe if you could provide some data, like I do, you could build your case. But if the data does not exist,.......

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