It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Full Story

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#113640 Apr 7, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I am referring to post-flood increased land peak elevations above sea level of many thousands of feet, and much greater average ocean depths.
Pure speculation. Where is the data from any Biblical, historic, geologic or oceanographic source to support that supposition?

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#113641 Apr 7, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This appears to be an unsupportable assertion. If you have any evidence of this then please present it.
Nature is the evidence and the physical reality is explained with information we DISCOVER when learning about nature (physical reality). The physical reality (nature) demonstrates it does not contradict itself. If any information used to explain the physical reality we live in contradicts it’s self this is the violation of the law of non-contradiction found in nature!

1. Time “does” exist!

2. Time “did not” exist until physical universe was formed proposed by scientist violates the law of non-contradiction found in nature!

YOU CAN’T SAY TIME EXITS AND DOES NOT EXIST (OPPOSING TERMS) ON A UNIVERSAL SCALE AND CONCLUDE THAT BOTH OPPOSING ANSWERS IS RIGHT BECAUSE NATURE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITS SELF AND SO MUST NOT THE INFORMATION WE USE IN NATURE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS!
Dogen wrote:
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We actually don't know what, if any, information existed when time began.
Because you and others try to disprove an absolute truth called the law of non-contradiction found in nature! YOU CAN’T DO THIS AND YOU ARE INSANE FOR TRYING! Absolute truths found in nature are dis-provable and un-falsifiable and since nature (absolute truth) is un-falsifiable your scientific method is dis-qualified when it comes to speaking about nature (an un-deniable absolute truth)!

If you can’t accept this YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT NATURE/REALITY BECAUSE IT IS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH YOU CANNOT DIS-PROVE OR FALSIFY!

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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Planet Earth

#113642 Apr 7, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Nature, it would appear, "contradicts" itself all the time and in many ways.
NO! You contradict yourself and your scientific method is dis-qualified when talking about absolute truth because this is what nature is!
Dogen wrote:
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If a law is demonstrated untrue then it is no longer a law.
This is a silly/foolish statement because you can’t disprove nature existence because it is an absolute truth! YOU CAN’T DISPROVE ABSOLUTE TRUTHS SO STOP TRYING!
Dogen wrote:
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Thus so the LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION must pass into oblivion.
THE LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION IS A NON-FLAWED (FLAWLESS) SCIENTIFIC LAW FOUND ON AN UN-DENIABLE ABOLUTE TRUTH CALLED NATURE.

ON THE CONTRARY, YOUR FLAWED WAY OF THINKING HAS DESTINED YOU TO OBLIVION!

NATURE IS NOT FLAWED (CONTRADICT ITS SELF) YOUR THINKING IS!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#113643 Apr 7, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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NO! You contradict yourself and your scientific method is dis-qualified when talking about absolute truth because this is what nature is!
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This is a silly/foolish statement because you can’t disprove nature existence because it is an absolute truth! YOU CAN’T DISPROVE ABSOLUTE TRUTHS SO STOP TRYING!
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THE LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION IS A NON-FLAWED (FLAWLESS) SCIENTIFIC LAW FOUND ON AN UN-DENIABLE ABOLUTE TRUTH CALLED NATURE.
ON THE CONTRARY, YOUR FLAWED WAY OF THINKING HAS DESTINED YOU TO OBLIVION!
NATURE IS NOT FLAWED (CONTRADICT ITS SELF) YOUR THINKING IS!
Oh, dear.

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Everett, WA

#113644 Apr 7, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, dear.
I know, it appears that Infinite Force would more aptly be named Infinite Farce.

The man, and I assume it is a man, truly has psychological problems.

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#113645 Apr 7, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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Time is not an absolute truth eternity is because information has no beginning or ending!
Applying the “the law of non-contradiction” to the immaterial (information) states does information exist or don’t! Observation shows us information (immaterial evidence)) exists and we discover it! So if it “exists now” and you are saying it “didn’t exist” until the beginning of time this is a violation of the law of non-contradiction!
A. Information “do exist”
B. Information “did not exist” until time begin
Apply the law of non-contradiction and you are in violation of it because you have two “OPPOSITE” answers and claiming it to be the “SAME”. YOU CAN’T DO THIS! IT MUST BE EITHER/OR AND IF YOU PICK BOTH OPPOSITE ANSWERS YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF AND VIOLATE THE LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION!
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Rather a photon is a particle or wave is irrelevant when it comes to existence because we know it is physical evidence (photon) that we observe thus proving its EXISTENCE!
To say a photon DO EXIST AND DOES NOT EXIST is choosing OPPOSITE answers (THE VIOLATION OF THE LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION) and concluding they are the same! My final point is that a photon exists and has a unique behavior when observing it!
The law of non-contradiction is an absolute truth observed in nature because nature does not contradict its self and it governs information!
"So if it “exists now” and you are saying it “didn’t exist” until the beginning of time this is a violation of the law of non-contradiction!"

You are saying that information "existed" "before" time. No matter what box of Cracker Jacks you got that idea out of, you are not logical. Obviously you "discovered" the laws of classical thought (probably from an apologists blog) and it rocked your world. Tsk, tsk.

Columbus discovered America - true or false?
Water is simultaneously hot and cold - true or false?
Electrons can be in 2 places simultaneously - true of false?
A photon is simultaneously a particle with mass and an energetic waveform - true or false?

Information is not an object, it is conceptual.'It' is not governed by nature.'It' is not governed by a deity.'It' is not governed by you.'It''did' not exist 'prior' to space time, and neither 'did' anything else.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#113646 Apr 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Pure speculation. Where is the data from any Biblical, historic, geologic or oceanographic source to support that supposition?
If you'll recall, I'm just following your lead,

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

Do you not believe yourself?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#113647 Apr 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I realize that. You don't do sufficient questioning.
I question you. I question your honesty. I question your sanity. That is sufficient.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#113648 Apr 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Have I ever disputed their modern history?
Depends what you mean by 'modern' but, yes, you dispute history.
KAB wrote:
Do they presently show a knowledge of floods?
Of local floods, yes. Of global floods? Some do, some don't. If there was a global flood, they should all.

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#113649 Apr 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Adam and Eve created about 6,000 years ago.
The flood about 4400 years ago.
Moses about 3500 years ago.
Prove it, Mr Data.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#113650 Apr 8, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
...and no, no "one year granularity" has been indicated>>
Nor is it a requirement.

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#113651 Apr 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Since you state you've been watching and obviously are not on my side, here's an objectivity, sincerity, and loyalty test all rolled into one for you. What have you observed regarding Dogen and the veracity of his assertions, especially related to when he directly challenges me to prove him wrong regarding content of previous posts? I hope you're courageous enough to realize that this is for his ultimate good. The sooner and more he comes to grips with the reality the more therapeutic it will be for him. I'm concerned he may not see the forest for his own trees. Do you want to share the responsibility for leaving him there?
Hilarity! KAB talking about coming to grips with the reality. Of course, he's too far gone to see the irony.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#113652 Apr 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I am referring to post-flood increased land peak elevations above sea level of many thousands of feet, and much greater average ocean depths.
Where's the data?

Oh, that's right! Everyone has to provide data except you. Sorry. I forgot.

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#113653 Apr 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
I only expound on what I know and can provide data to confirm...
Bullshit. See my last post.

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#113654 Apr 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
A. Water “is” beneficial to humans
B. Water “is not” beneficial to humans
The law of non-contradiction states I can NEVER change my answer to B in the same given situation.
Because if I do I would violate the law of non-contradiction when it applies to water as beneficial to humans!
A. Water “is” beneficial to humans

Because they require it to live.

B. Water “is not” beneficial to humans

When they drown.

Your law of non-contradiction is nonsense.

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#113655 Apr 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Too bad that you don't know what proper scientific evidence is.
THen why am I the only one in here applying the demands of the scientific method?
Subduction Zone wrote:
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And there is no debate.
HAHAHAHA>....then what are we doing?
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text> In the scientific world there is not debate. There is only a handful of kooks who disbelieve it, and they have no academic credibility at all.
That's pure BS. THere are many highly trained and qualified scientists that reject evolution.
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text> As a percentage there are 5 times as many historians who deny the holocaust as scientists who deny evolution.
Prove it!
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now when it comes to uneducated people there are plenty of disbelievers. There is a reason that we do not go to uneducated people for opinions.
Maybe you should, because no one is completely uneducated. I am a musician. I have played for 43 years. I can learn things from beginners. Many times the truth is not found in classic education, but the ability to look at things differently and honestly. It wasn't scientists that built the first airplane, it was bicycle builders. Look at Michael Faraday and all the things he invented, and he was uneducated. William Herschel was a musican, not an astronomer, yet he discovered 2 moons and a planet. And don't forget Gregor Mendel who is a religious uneducated monk, but the father of Genetics! Sooo....there were those around Mendel like you. THey didn't believe him either. He was nothing but an uneducated monk. Also like you, now they look stupid.

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#113656 Apr 8, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Thanks, that is a compliment.
No it wasn't

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#113657 Apr 8, 2013
TheEvolutionDouche wrote:
The funniest thing about this whole thread is the fact that people who claim evolution is not real clearly knows nothing about it. Its not "we all came from monkeys." Actually evolution exists today. For example, there are cases in which humans are being born without wisdom teeth and overall, they are smaller than previous generations. Adaptation to your environment is all evolution really is. You keep things you need, develop aspects that are most beneficial to your survival, and lose things that hinders it.
My favorite argument is "God created humans and the Earth therefore evolution is not real." Well if he is truly the all mighty then why is the scientific fact of evolution out of the realm of his power?
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you have to fear and deny it.
What you are talking about in micro evolution. That isn't debated. It has been observed. Human from non-human evolution has never been documented observed in the history of the planet.

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#113658 Apr 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
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All who profess to be Christian are not. Hey, Southern Baptists support the Easter (Ishtar?) celebration don't they?
Easter has nothing to do with Ishtar. You don't even understand the history of Christian religious holidays, and their pagan roots.

Do you adhere to the Bible as the divinely inspired word of God and history of the world and believe Jesus of Nazareth to be the messiah? If so, you profess yourself to be Christian.

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#113659 Apr 8, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
Do you really think a being that is intelligent enough to create the entire universe would be so arrogant and petty that He would have people suffer for ETERNITY if they won’t be his cheerleader?
http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/...
Does this not give you a sense that this dogma is just made-up crap?
It sure does to me.
That is because you don't want to understand it. GOD doesn't send anyone to hell. He has done all he can possibly do to keep you from going to hell only stoping short of nulling your free will. It's as if Jesus is nailing signs on the gateway to hell saying, "Danger" "Do not Enter", turns to you and says, "You will enter hell over my dead body".....and people like you will step over his dead body and walk right in. You go to hell because you choose to. He made the way of escape, and you choose not to take it. I have no pity for you.

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