It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 162035 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#113341 Apr 3, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Your technical ineptitude may actually help you to stumble onto the truth in spite of your bias. By your own analysis, your 10,000 ft. allowance may not be too far off the mark. Do you really think all those mountain ranges would have been and remained at approximately their present heights with all that seismic activity you properly discerned resulting from the flood? Since you're on a technical roll refresh my memory. Where do plankton and algae live? On another point, since you mentioned glaciers, do you fancy them floating around somehow problematic, and do you think Earth can't survive changing ocean currents and atmospheric patterns? Perhaps moron those topics could be clarified for the class.

Your technical ineptitude may actually help you to stumble onto the truth in spite of your bias. Do you really think a flood would have more of an effect on mountain ranges rooted in the mantle or on fragile canyons? While your on a technical roll, what effect would half a mile of limestone solidifying (a thermogenic event) have on the temperature of the earth? Finally, what effect does internet banter have on the lack of evidence for a global flood and the positive evidence for there never being one?

Put your poor, injured but massive, ego down for one second and reason it out.

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#113342 Apr 3, 2013
KAB wrote:
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A massive amount of the accumulated loose material on the inside walls of the 1.4 million year old crater somehow went down into the bottom of the crater about 4500 years ago, and we're left to wonder what could have caused that to happen in the same timeframe as the global flood. What do you think, objectively that is?

Matters not at all since there are at least a million reasons that are more likely than a mythical flood.

You still are off 300 years from your alleged time frame for a flood and have STILL never accounted for Egyptians continuing their pyramid building throughout that time period.

Go figure.

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#113343 Apr 3, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Thank you for finally being befuddled enough to unwittingly provide some good objective reasoning examples. I agree that since the flood took a long time to recede it need not have been catastrophic.

You dolt, draining 200 ft per day IS CATASTROPHIC.

AND where did that water GO? It has never been accounted for either coming nor going.

Civilization continued to prosper throughout this time period, without skipping a beat.

There is no scientific evidence for a global flood ever occurring.

There is no scientific explanation of how a global flood ever COULD occur.

There IS science that shows that civilization, fragile physical formations, plant and animal life that continued to live (no bottle necks) through that period.

There is much more genetic diversity can can be accounted for in 45,000 years, much less 4,500.

It is fun to pick on people who are intentionally stupid and on people who are liars.

So I am having a blast playing with my little KAB mouse.


"I can't really make fun of zombies. They're not liars. They're not cheats."
George A. Romero

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#113344 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Funny, I noticed you completely failed to address a single point I made in the post you are replying too. THat's fine, because we both know you have no answers, so you do the only thing a person with no integrity can do, insult.

Why would Mike need to refute everything you said, AGAIN?

You can't even comprehend the scientific method after 3 years of being tutored in it!

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#113345 Apr 3, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Not even I know exactly when the flood occurred, and not even the geologists know exactly when the sidewall slide occurred, but the estimates are close enough that the actual times could be the same, and measured on a 1.4 million year scale they are virtually the same for probability assessment purposes.

For probability assessment purposes, the odds of something for which there is no evidence and is not logically nor physically possible are zero.

So we go into this discussion with the known probability of a global flood being zero.

Reasons (just a few selected):

1. Not enough water.(no where for extra water to come from and no where for it to go).

2. No evidence of a global flood in the span of human history.

3. If the flood was not 4,200 years ago then the crater data is entirely moot.

4. A global flood would kill off all life (except for a presumed bottleneck). There is no period in earths history where a universal bottleneck has been found. There was a volcanic near extinction event about 80,000 years ago, but many species were unaffected.

5. Obviously there is much more, but this should suffice for now.


“At times to be silent is to lie. You will win because you have enough brute force. But you will not convince. For to convince you need to persuade. And in order to persuade you would need what you lack: Reason and Right”
&#8213; Miguel de Unamuno


Dogen wrote:
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Errors Made:
Moving the goal posts
Outright lying
Confirmation bias
Sharpshooter fallacy
It is interesting you keep moving the date for the mythological global flood around.
Just a page back it was 4,200 years ago.
You have picked various time frames for the flood, all of which are faulty because there is no evidence of one occurring.
What is this sort of dishonesty called?
“People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one’s reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one’s master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person’s view requires to be faked…The man who lies to the world, is the world’s slave from then on…There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all.”
&#8213; Ayn Rand,

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#113346 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Already disproven. I'm not going through 5000 pages of posts to expose your didhonesty, but I've already posted where your team said we were related to "Bananas".....also Mike, are you saying we ARE NOT evolutionary tied to tobacco plants? I bet you can't answer, or won't answer that question. I dare you to answer it with a "Yes" we are evolutionary related to tobacco plants, or "NO" we are not evolutionaryly related to tobacco plants. Wanna take a ride?

This is a lie.

YOU said that we said that we are DESCENDED from tobacco/bananas.

No one ever said that.

We DID say that we are RELATED to tobacco/bananas.

Do YOU know the difference between RELATED TO and DESCENDED FROM?


DUH!

WE ARE RELATED BY EVOLUTION TO TOBACCO PLANTS!

An evolutionary pathway that diverged hundreds of millions of years ago.


You are an outrageous but obvious liar.

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#113347 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>GOD never gave us the ten commandments expecting us to have the ability to keep them. All GOD was saying is here are my requirements, AND YOU CAN'T DO THEM, but I'm going to send someone who can, and he did. So yeah, there is no way I can keep the ten commandments, but hold your arrogance because you can't either. There is only one sin difference between the person in heaven and the person in hell, Jesus died for all the rest. I have taken care of that one sin when I accepted Jesus. According to your own words, you haven't. Sooo....forgive me for laughing at your vain attempt to judge me. You are not my judge.
<quoted text>No you didn't, not even close. You just proved above that you aren't worthy to judge other people.
&#9668; Matthew 7:3 &#9658;
New International Version (©2011)
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Does Jesus approve of your lying?
Don't you want to keep Jesus/God happy?

Get your head out of your butt. Dogen 1:1

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#113348 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>I. The scientific method has four steps
1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.
2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.
3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.
4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.
http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/ap...

This is not a good summary. Not without several pages of qualification/explanation.

Oh yea, the link actually gives that information.

But you don't.

Hummm......


"Hard truths can be dealt with, triumphed over, but lies will destroy your soul.”
&#8213; Patricia Briggs, Moon Called

“I am Sisyphus”

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#113349 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text> Then I challenge you to show me. Also, show me how I can be related to a tobacco stalk, and NOT EVOLVE FROM ONE!!!

Genetics.


marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text> You are playing silly word games because you know how ignorant this claim sounds. And make no mistake. Like the rest in here, I alweays give a second chance, but if you can't intelligently communicate with me without cussing I will drop your posts like I'd drop a liberal in a voting booth.
You mean you want us to be respectful to you?

Are you willing to provide the same in exchange?

That is fine. I always give a second chance, but if you can't intelligently communicate with me without lying I will drop your posts like I'd drop a conservative in a voting booth.


marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text> I've done it to many in here, and I'd do it to you too. Then like the rest you can moan and gripe that you are so superior that I can't reply to your ignorance, while the truth is I don't even read your posts. If you can't communicate like a mature human being, I won't waste my time reading the ramblings of a mindless head. Your move.

You are lucky we don't feel likewise.

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#113350 Apr 3, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Man, are you really still too stupid to understand that "share a common ancestor WITH" and "descended FROM" are VERY different things?
You share a common ancestor with your cousin. But your cousin is NOT your grandfather. Got it? YET??? Will you EVER?
Man, you can word it absolutely anyway you want too. I DON"T CARE!! For you to believe that you have any kinship of any kind to a tobacco stalk or a banana, absolutely amazes me!!!!

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#113351 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text> John 6
28 Then they asked him,“What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered,“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

You want me to quote Jesus to you? You live in quite the glass house.

Remember, you don't even know a fraction about the culture, religion, and social context Jesus was in and speaking to, as I do.
KAB

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#113352 Apr 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Then you are a total idiot.
When provided the choice of 2 answers, neither of which is correct, idiocy would be to choose one!

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#113353 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text> There is....the origin of life, scientifically explain it without GOD!

To what end? You are not equipped to understand it anyway.

Since we are talking about evolution, however, this is a moot point. Evolution is about life - biology. Not about the chemistry of self replicating molecules.


marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text> Explain the evolution that originated consciousness using the scientific method.
Sorry, I got nothing here. I have some ideas, but,. as I have admitted in the past, consciousness is an enigma.


marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text> ...scientifically explain the origin of the intelligent message and language found within DNA.
Same olde:
1. Mutation (biased)
2.(Natural) Selection
3. Genetic drift
4......

Do I really have to go through the rest again?

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#113354 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>No it isn't, you just can't refute the point it makes. My point is that you guys make all these wild claims about the age of the earth, and you can make these wild claims because whatever claim you make is not observable or provable. THhus, If you want to claim the earth is 1 billion years old, then you should be able to prove that claim, which will show any other date as being false. And your lack of a reply supports that you can't do either. <quoted text>I have always said that the bible can be interpreted either way, young earth or old earth. So I have always said "I don't know". Asking is better than assuming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
DONE!

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#113355 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Then why do you continuously fail to give the evidence? It seems you are all claim, and no evidence.

Then why do you continuously ignore the evidence? It seems you are all ignore and then lie about there being no evidence.
KAB

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#113356 Apr 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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If there had been a world wide flood, the Grand Canyon would not exist at all.
I'll believe that when I see your confirming data. Perhaps you could run some high level math calculations for the class.

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#113357 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>One that isn't observable, 2... the bible gives no dates for the creation of humans.<quoted text>Pardon my unbelief, but I must demand that you show me.<quoted text>Again, I don't believe you, show me.<quoted text>Meaningless, neanderthals were just other humans.<quoted text>Pardon me, and I don't mean this in an insulting way, but I think you are lying for science, and don't even realise it. I hope I'm wrong, and you can prove me wrong by providing unquestionable, observable, and emperical evidence for my "show me's" above.

Proof of what I said above.

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#113358 Apr 3, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Nope. That would be a "transitional", the conclusion that a particular fossil is THE species that another came from.
An intermediate is simply an objectively measurable, replicatable fact. Just as 2 inches is intermediate between 1 inch and 3 inches, a cranial volume of 800cc is intermediate between 400cc and 1300cc.
Ok, but you are trying to infer that and imediate is something in the middle of a oathway heading in a direction. YOU CAN"T INFER THAT in this case. In this case, according to your redefintion of "intermediate" is meaningless, and irrelvant to this debate. An intermediate fossil is not a transitional fossil and in no way supports what your claims are!!!
Chimney1 wrote:
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No, you cannot. A theory makes predictions.
A valid theory must be observable. If it isn't, it can predict anything. It can predict that an elephant can hang from a cliff grasping a daisy if it needs too. Heck, you can't prove otherwise, NOTHING IS OBSERVABLE, ALL IS FANTASY!!...in your world. Dang, The Cambrian Explosion demands evolution happen quickly?????.....BUT OF COURSE....PUNCUATED EQUALIBRIA!!!Heck, in your world, you can even be related to tobacco stalks and bananas!!! I think I'll sue steve jobs for my part of his estate. Heck, if we're both related to common plants and bugs, I WANT WHAT IS MINE!!!!!!

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#113359 Apr 3, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Perhaps when you stop lying, you will not be called a liar.
You are pathetic.
KAB

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#113360 Apr 3, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Not a single scientific research body in the world says there was a global year-long flood 4500 years ago. Why do you think that is?
Conspiracy?
Gross incompetence?
It never happened?
Which of these three is the most likely? Objectively, that is.
None of the above.
On a positive note, I see you have upgraded to false trichotomy.

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