It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113301 Apr 2, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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marksman11 wrote:
By the way, if you think Adam and Eve are silly, at least we don't believe that we are kin to tobacco stalks, worms, birds, and beagles. I'm being serious here.

<mike>
No one claimed we evolved from a tobacco stalk and you know it. So why lie about it? You're losing it, Marky.
<chimney>
I will save you the trouble.

It was me, and I said, we (and all animals) share a common ancestor with tobacco (and all plants), not that we are descended from tobacco.

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#113302 Apr 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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That particular question has been answered many times.
It has not been answered 1 time in four years. Not once!!!

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#113303 Apr 2, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Because it does make a difference. It leads many people to think that GOD doesn't exist. You've seen it in here. Evolutionists claiming GOD doesn't exist. Most people are not gullible enough to give these ignorant claims credence, but it might lead a few down the path of ignorance.
How is reject the belief in something there is no evidence for, and that there is massive evidence against, ignorance?
<quoted text> I have stated from day 1 that even if I was an atheist, i'd still reject human from non-human evolution because it clearly fails the scientific method for validity. It is clearly an humanist philosophy and not science.<quoted text>They can speak for themselves, but I don't care who accepts human from non-human evolution, it still fails the scientific methods demand for observability.
Lie all that you want Marky. Human evolution is observable in many ways. You show yourself to be a liar by rejecting them without a valid reason to do so.
As far as the bible, I don't take every word literally either. THere are parables, etc.....but what you want to claim is that there are contradictions and false statements. Parables and contradictions are not the same thing. See, you want to infer things that would appear to be reasons for one to doubt that the bible is GODS words to mankind. THere is no doubt to me that the bible is GODS instruction book for mankind, and gives us the pathway to heaven, and if this is true, it is the most important book on the planet.<quoted text>I don't think you speak for all Jews. The Jews can believe anything they want, that doesn't make them correct, and why you are infering such puts your motives into serious question.
Then why can't you look at the stories in Genesis and Exodus as parables? Many Christians can.

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Asheville, NC

#113304 Apr 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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A fusion of two genes.
hahahahaha......I hope you are trying to say that retro viruses made something human? Is that what you are TRYING to say?.....i hope!!!

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#113305 Apr 2, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Then I challenge you to show me. Also, show me how I can be related to a tobacco stalk, and NOT EVOLVE FROM ONE!!! You are playing silly word games because you know how ignorant this claim sounds. And make no mistake. Like the rest in here, I alweays give a second chance, but if you can't intelligently communicate with me without cussing I will drop your posts like I'd drop a liberal in a voting booth. I've done it to many in here, and I'd do it to you too. Then like the rest you can moan and gripe that you are so superior that I can't reply to your ignorance, while the truth is I don't even read your posts. If you can't communicate like a mature human being, I won't waste my time reading the ramblings of a mindless head. Your move.
I am just quoting this recent post of Mark's again to show that he is lying in his most recent post.

Meanwhile after I pointed out that he is a LSoS he has not answered me.

Perhaps if we all pointed out this fact he will go away and leave us all alone.

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113306 Apr 3, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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OK Marksman. I try not to be rude to you, but this is beyond stupid.
Are you actually too stupid to know the difference between "evolved from a banana" and "are related to a banana by a common ancestor"?
Is this some kinda hillbilly stoopid where you aren't sure if your wife is your first cousin or your niece?
Or are you just playing stoopid and therefore deliberately lying?
Well, I'll let you answer your own question with one word.
Are you stupid enough to think that you are related to a banana? Yes?..or...no?

I bet you don't answer with one word.

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Asheville, NC

#113307 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Are you related to your cousin?
Are you descended from your cousin or is your cousin descended from you?
Oh wait, in your case that sadly may be true.
By the way, if you don't want to be called a lying sack of shit then don't be a lying sack of shit.
You can play silly word games all you want too, but I'll never be so gullible and ignorant to believe I am related to a tobacco stalk, or a nanner!!! Even having a common ancester with an ape is beyond reality, but a tobacco stalk and a banana? I really do pity the ignorance of you guys, and so does most of the world.
As info, your inability to communicate like an adult has no shock value at all. I can out cuss you any day of the week, I just choose not too. You are not intimidating or intelligent. Using bad language just proves you don't have the intellect to communicate like an adult. But then again, you do believe we are related to tobacco stalks!!!...hahahahahahahahah! !!

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113308 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I am just quoting this recent post of Mark's again to show that he is lying in his most recent post.
Meanwhile after I pointed out that he is a LSoS he has not answered me.
I most certainly have answered you. Liar!!!
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Perhaps if we all pointed out this fact he will go away and leave us all alone.
In your dreams!! I quit replying to dogans drivel just because he has become a waste of time, and doesn't live in reality. Just making up and posting his fantasy world one post at a time. Me going away? No way. I started this group, and I don't need to reply to your ignorance to post in here. The fact that none of you can support your own beliefs in human from non-human evolution is all that needs be continously exposed. I don't need you to do that. In short, never make the mistake that somehow you control me! You don't. You don't even control my dog. Now, go call and cry to aunt nanner about how marksman talked mean at you.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#113309 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>You can play silly word games all you want too, but I'll never be so gullible and ignorant to believe I am related to a tobacco stalk, or a nanner!!! Even having a common ancester with an ape is beyond reality, but a tobacco stalk and a banana? I really do pity the ignorance of you guys, and so does most of the world.
As info, your inability to communicate like an adult has no shock value at all. I can out cuss you any day of the week, I just choose not too. You are not intimidating or intelligent. Using bad language just proves you don't have the intellect to communicate like an adult. But then again, you do believe we are related to tobacco stalks!!!...hahahahahahahahah! !!
I wasn't playing silly word games. If anyone was that would be you.

And you are gullible and you are ignorant since you are related to both a tobacco plant and to a banana. In fact it is arguable which of you three is the most intelligent. I am going with the tobacco leaf myself.

And I would like to know when I used "bad language". Sometime a liar needs to be told that he is a liar with a bit more oomph than normal. It obviously worked on you.

Marky, since you are a creationist you might be able to answer this question for me:

Why do creationists think that it is okay to lie for Jesus?

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113310 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I am just quoting this recent post of Mark's again to show that he is lying in his most recent post.
Meanwhile after I pointed out that he is a LSoS he has not answered me.
Perhaps if we all pointed out this fact he will go away and leave us all alone.
By the way, above you were replying to....

<MM>
"Then I challenge you to show me"

and of course, you didn't even attempt to address the challenge. You never do.......

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#113311 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>I most certainly have answered you. Liar!!!
Nope, it was well over an hour before you responded to me. If you look at all of the response you made it is obvious that you were not answering me.

And lying sacks of excrement should not call others liars Marky.
<quoted text>In your dreams!! I quit replying to dogans drivel just because he has become a waste of time, and doesn't live in reality. Just making up and posting his fantasy world one post at a time. Me going away? No way. I started this group, and I don't need to reply to your ignorance to post in here. The fact that none of you can support your own beliefs in human from non-human evolution is all that needs be continously exposed. I don't need you to do that. In short, never make the mistake that somehow you control me! You don't. You don't even control my dog. Now, go call and cry to aunt nanner about how marksman talked mean at you.
Actually we can all support our beliefs.

I am too tired of lying creatards rejecting undeniable scientific evidence.

That is why no creatard can demand evidence from me until they prove that they understand what is and what is not scientific evidence. And I am even willing to help them learn what the qualifications for scientific evidence are. In other words I am willing to help the people that I am arguing against argue better against me and other evolutionists.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#113312 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, above you were replying to....
<MM>
"Then I challenge you to show me"
and of course, you didn't even attempt to address the challenge. You never do.......
Yes, I actually missed a couple of your posts and should have corrected that.

Sadly this site offers no "edit" function.

The actual post I was referring to is the last one on the previous page.

Level 1

Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113313 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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How is reject the belief in something there is no evidence for, and that there is massive evidence against, ignorance?
That you would even expect scientific evidence for the supernatural is the very height of ignorance. Everyone knows by now that science is unqualified to deal with the supernatural. The fact is, you know I am right, and that is why you are so bitter.

Romans 1

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

You can't go outside and look around you, look at the night sky, see the love of a child, and the complexity of the human brain, and not understand that it takes GOD to create that. You know that, and Romans 1 makes it clear. So even though you have this something within you, your brain and pride won't let you acknowledge it and it sets up an inner struggle within you which causes you to be so bitter. You are walking talking confirmation that the bible is true!!
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Lie all that you want Marky. Human evolution is observable in many ways. You show yourself to be a liar by rejecting them without a valid reason to do so.
There you go again. Trying to morph micro and macro in an attempt to dishonestly infer that both are equally valid, when that of course, is a not at all true.
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Then why can't you look at the stories in Genesis and Exodus as parables? Many Christians can.
Because parables are told and explained as parables. For some reason science or atheism or liberalism, or SOMETHING...has this hold over you where you will believe absolutely anything over the bible. I look at the world around me, and I have read every word of the bible, and I have studied science, and I have debated you guys. I have found the truth in my observation of life lines up perfectly with the bible, and it has continuosly proven itself to me to be the words of GOD to mankind. It has changed my life, my world view, and my eternity.

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113314 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, I actually missed a couple of your posts and should have corrected that.
Sadly this site offers no "edit" function.
The actual post I was referring to is the last one on the previous page.
No problem....

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113315 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, I actually missed a couple of your posts and should have corrected that.
Sadly this site offers no "edit" function.
The actual post I was referring to is the last one on the previous page.
Don't you think an apology for calling me a liar would be nice? Listen, you and I don't have to agree, just because you believe something does not make you a liar. I believe the bible is true, you do not, but because I do doesn't make me a liar.
I can be completely wrong, and you completely right, but that still doesn't make me a liar. We need to understand that and I apologise for making the same mistake.

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113316 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I am too tired of lying creatards rejecting undeniable scientific evidence.
Listen, just because you believe it, doesn't mean it is undeniable science. If it was undeniable, why can't you guys ever address my challenges? No one has ever observed the evolution of the 2 genders, no one has ever observed the origin of life, no one has ever observed a non-human evolving into a human, in fact, not a soul in here has ever been able to even describe what evolved to make a non-human a human. Punctuated equalibria has never been observed to be true, which all it ever was was a fantasy attempt to explain the evidence found in the Cambrian Explosion......so listen.....people that are asking these questions are the ones with the critical thinking skills. Not the ones who will believe any unobservable thing as long as it supports their philosophy. So you can label it "undeniable science" all day, but until you can answer everyone of these challenges with an observation, your science is far from undeniable.
Subduction Zone wrote:
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That is why no creatard can demand evidence from me until they prove that they understand what is and what is not scientific evidence. And I am even willing to help them learn what the qualifications for scientific evidence are. In other words I am willing to help the people that I am arguing against argue better against me and other evolutionists.
Listen, in all honesty, you can't teach me anything about this debate, I've been debating it, publicly speaking on it, and continuously studying it for almost 20 years now. So with all due respect, I will wait on you to address the above challenges with observations, and if you do, then I will say you have taught me something.

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Since: Jan 10

Asheville, NC

#113317 Apr 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Why do creationists think that it is okay to lie for Jesus?
You'll have to give me an example, and when you do, let me ask why is it ok to be dishonest in debates and never answer a single challenge? You do know that this group, nor the debate between evolutionists and creationists would exist if you guys would just be honest enough to admit to the obvious. That you take human from non-human evolution in faith. Everyone knows that's that is the case, but you guys just can't be honest enough to admit it.

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#113318 Apr 3, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Thank you for your glimmer of objectivity. I think Adam was created from the elements of Earth, complete with better mental ability than either you or I have. Hey, he was a direct product of God (Deuteronomy 32:4) and need not even have died (Genesis 2:17).
Well, I think the story of Original Sin is an allegory about humans coming to understand their mortal nature and the consequences of their actions. We see glimmers of this in elephants, great apes, and dolphins, but the real understanding belongs to us alone.

I know that even apes display the rudiments of morality. As with most things we thought were unique and separate to humans, we see many of the basics in our primate cousins. The leap is in the ability to think rationally and abstractly at a far more complex level, thanks to a fore-brain that gradually tripled in size over the last 2 million years.

What I am adamant about is that you as a Christian have to reconcile your core beliefs with modern science, not try to ignore science or hope it will be overturned to sustain your beliefs. As far as I can tell, your only core belief is that you must seek forgiveness for your sins and repent of them. The rest is window dressing. It really does not matter whether Adam was formed from a lump of clay on a pottery wheel or whether Adamic consciousness of good and evil emerged in a clever ape-man (whose father was an ape-man too).

Obsession with non-core details that stem from an unreliable book, leading to continual denials of well established science, is why I regard fundamentalists as idolaters (of a book) rather than lovers of God or truth.

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#113319 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
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<chimney>
I will save you the trouble.
It was me, and I said, we (and all animals) share a common ancestor with tobacco (and all plants), not that we are descended from tobacco.
Man, are you really still too stupid to understand that "share a common ancestor WITH" and "descended FROM" are VERY different things?

You share a common ancestor with your cousin. But your cousin is NOT your grandfather. Got it? YET??? Will you EVER?

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#113320 Apr 3, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>It is only intermediate if you have already preconcluded that evolution must be true.
Nope. That would be a "transitional", the conclusion that a particular fossil is THE species that another came from.

An intermediate is simply an objectively measurable, replicatable fact. Just as 2 inches is intermediate between 1 inch and 3 inches, a cranial volume of 800cc is intermediate between 400cc and 1300cc.

No interpretation. Just measurement.

The interpretation that some of the OBJECTIVELY INTERMEDIATE fossils with measurements between ape and human are evidence for evolution is that they are what we would expect to find if evolution is true. Evolution predicted them, and explains them.

Creationism did not expect them and cannot explain them. Which is why you run around with your panties in a knot with silly attempts like "maybe they were infant skulls" "maybe they were congenital defects" etc. Its funny to watch as you parrot every long-since eliminated alternative in your desperate attempt to run from the explanation that is right in front of your face.
How many times do I have to say it? When your pet theory is unobservable you can twist it to be what ever you need it to be.
No, you cannot. A theory makes predictions.

You hilariously get the scientific method wrong every time. But what can I expect from someone who still cannot grasp the difference between "common ancestor with" and "descended from"?

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