It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 161443 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#112673 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The start of the chapter states that JHWH was going to write it.

And then he deferred that responsibility to Moses.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#112674 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It's not a variable. It's a condition. Where's the variability in "without ANY benefit"?
It is consistent with the routing of nerve under discussion. IF you know of a benefit, spit it out.
KAB wrote:
I haven't yet thought of a good reason to route the headlight wiring thru the rear bumper, but then I'm not YHWH (i.e., not as knowledgeable).
Agreed.

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#112675 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I answered a restrictive question as posed. The restrictions are not applicable to the real situation, therefore the answer doesn't apply to the real situation. Logic is not even in your toolbox, but I see you have a blindfold!

Calling others out on your game? Really?

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#112676 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Do you think the notion of a demonstrated reliable source is nonsense?

Can you give one example purportedly confirming that? If it withstands scrutiny you'll have something worth much more than just an assertion.

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#112677 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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the Bible allows me to do whatever I want, but it strongly recommends not doing certain things like wasting time with that which does not adhere to what is confirmed.

Does the bible say you can attend class reunions?
KAB

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#112678 Mar 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Prove what? That zero equals zero?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

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#112679 Mar 22, 2013
KAB

Who runs the Watchtower?

Does the Watchtower actually teach Jehovah's Witnesses to cover-up or lie about certain facts, even in court?

If another JW lies are you required to repeat the lie?

Now, if the bible teaches (John 8:44) "you belong to your father, the devil,.... not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Does that not mean the true leader of the Watchtower is Satan? Where am I going wrong in my logic?

Are you practicing "Theocratic War" in our club?
KAB

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#112680 Mar 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Matthew
Early Christian tradition held that the Gospel of Matthew was written in "Hebrew" (Aramaic, the language of Judea) by the apostle Matthew, the tax-collector and disciple of Jesus,[79] but according to the majority of modern scholars it is unlikely that this Gospel was written by an eyewitness.[80] Modern scholars interpret the tradition to mean that Papias, its source, writing about 125–150 CE, believed that Matthew had made a collection of the sayings of Jesus.[81] Papias's description does not correspond well with what is known of the gospel: it was most probably written in Greek, not Aramaic or Hebrew, it depends on the Greek Gospels of Mark and on the hypothetical Q document, and it is not a collection of sayings.[82] Although the identity of the author is unknown, the internal evidence of the Gospel suggests that he was an ethnic Jewish male scribe from a Hellenised city, possibly Antioch in Syria,[83] and that he wrote between 70 and 100 CE[84] using a variety of oral traditions and written sources about Jesus.[85]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_th...
How does, "identity of the author is unknown" confirm who the author was?
KAB

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#112681 Mar 22, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I think YOUR notion of a demonstrated reliable source is nonsense.
Perhaps we could use your notion of a demonstrated reliable source. What is it?
KAB

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#112682 Mar 22, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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The point is, neither can you.
The difference is I've never handled the info as if I could confirm who wrote the gospels. It's your side which chronically behaves that way, no matter the topic.

“See how you are?”

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#112683 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I do hold to the rules of logic and invite you to prove otherwise.
(Jehovah's Witnesses)
KAB wrote:
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is run the way Jesus would run it, as best that can be known (Prov. 25:25).
"What, however, is the effect when spiritual “guidance” becomes
mental domination, even spiritual tyranny? What happens when the
desirable qualities of unity and order are substituted for by demands for institutionalized conformity and by legalistic regimentation? What results when proper respect for authority is converted into servility, unquestioning submission, an abandonment of personal responsibility before God to make decisions based on individual conscience?"

"The organizational character and spirit manifest in
the 1980s, continued essentially unchanged in the 1990s, and remains the same in this year 2004.
Perhaps the greatest value in seeing this is, I feel, that it can
help us discern more clearly what the fundamental issues were in
the days of Jesus Christ and his apostles, and understand why and
how a tragic deviation from their teachings and example came, so
subtly, with such relative ease, in so brief a span of time." - Raymond Franz, JW GB member 1971 - 1980 Disfellowshipped, 1980.

On 18 March 1981 Franz's employer in Alabama submitted a letter of disassociation from Jehovah's Witnesses. A Watchtower article on 15 September 1981 announced a change of policy on disassociation, directing that those who formally withdrew from the religion were to be treated by Witnesses as a disfellowshipped wrongdoer.- Wikipedia

I see no logical correlation between the actions of the Governing Board of your sect and any remotest notion that it is run "the way Jesus would have run it."
KAB

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#112684 Mar 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus was only an archangel (Michael)?
Chapter and verse, please.
Nowhere, since the Bible states Jesus was a lot of things. Perhaps you should have stayed on topic. Bob says you kill him. I imagine the thought would cross your mind if you could get your hands on him, eh Doc?

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#112685 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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How does, "identity of the author is unknown" confirm who the author was?

It confirms that the author is unknown.

[I hope I used small enough words]
KAB

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#112686 Mar 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Can you prove it is satanic to play chess?
I can't even think of a reason to try.
KAB

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#112687 Mar 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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I have done so.
Where is YHWH used in original documents of the NT?
Where is Yahwah used in the NT of ANY LEGITIMATE translation of the bible?
YHWH would have been used in the NT quotes from the OT. It's used in the NWT NT.

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#112688 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Perhaps we could use your notion of a demonstrated reliable source. What is it?

I've given mine. You back away from it pretty quick.

BTW, Can you show me in the bible where it says to give false prophets a second or third (50th) chance to get it right?

Is it true that your overlords now have a rule AGAINST prophecy?

You seem to be avoiding these questions. That's cool, you're still in the Darwin Crowd Club.

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#112689 Mar 22, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The difference is I've never handled the info as if I could confirm who wrote the gospels. It's your side which chronically behaves that way, no matter the topic.

Can you confirm why does the New World Translation insert the word “other” four times into Colossians chapter 1 when it isn’t in the Greek manuscripts at all?

Doesn’t this change the meaning of the text?

Isn't this fraud?

Isn't the response that you want to send but won't actually more double talk?
KAB

United States

#112690 Mar 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Would you consider it possible that this forum is a worldly source?
What do you make of 1 Tim 2:5 (from a real translation)?
I don't consider forums sources at all, possibly indirect conduits to some sources. Most forums I've seen don't even provide enough source references to be useful, overwhelmingly just assertions, similar to your side of this forum.

I make of 1 Tim. 2:5 rather exactly what it states.
KAB

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#112691 Mar 22, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Valid reasoning doesn't care about sources and reliability. It cares about the claim or argument at hand and the evidence that supports or refutes it. Valid reasoning does not consider the source of a claim as evidence of that claim's veracity.
Aside from that, do you accept that a source could be demonstrated to be reliable?
KAB

United States

#112692 Mar 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
JW "bible VS Christian Bible
1 Tim 2:4-6
JW Bible
4whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
6who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times
[Oh, the contortions!]
NASB
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the [a]knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony [b]given at [c]the proper time.
YLT
who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;
5 for one [is] God, one also [is] mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who did give himself a ransom for all -- the testimony in its own times --
Thanks for the data.

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