It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 160922 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#112371 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You didn't address Gen. 1:1. No and No. Don't we all carry chimp genes too and perhaps even worm genes? I think all living things carry the same bases and basic DNA structure too.
So then your god is a failure at engineering and unimaginative. I don't think any god would like to be blamed in such a way.
KAB

United States

#112372 Mar 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This must be counted as a lie.
Name one case where you successfully (by the standards of others, not yourself) defended the bible even once?
Actually, your record is abysmal. Your best was the bit about fowl/birds, but you never responded to my attempt at disambiguation. In fewer words, you ran away.
I know my own standards very well, others not so much. Provide the standard you want me to use, then I can respond.
KAB

United States

#112373 Mar 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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See what I mean? It's not an "unexplained/unconfirmed assertion". We have the DNA analysis. And you *know* that.
What I know is that you are once again asserting "We have the WMDs", but you don't provide them to prove that.
KAB

United States

#112374 Mar 18, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Now, what is the likelihood of ANY supernatural beings existing?
Then, what is the likelihood of your God existing?
Job 26:7. He got that bit of info from somewhere before humans even conceived such a concept.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112375 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Flowering plants, not ALL plants, are the current topic under consideration.
Are you OK Doc? You've been posting lately like you're losing your mind. Bob's thinks maybe you should see a shrink.

I love it when you know you are nailed.

ALL plants need sunlight to survive. And Plants are the base of the animal food chain.

HOW LONG IS THAT BIBLICAL DAY AGAIN!?!?!?!

Lets see how fast our cult control little one changes the subject.


Dogen wrote:
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You are obviously lying again. How could animal live for a day (which in your mind is at least millions of years) without plants?
The Hebrew is your problem, not your friend. You must think that a large garbage track is actually a bible!
You are odd so there is at least you at odds here.
Hello.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112376 Mar 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Which is exactly why I wrote him off as a loony a long time ago.
No errors in the bible? Hell, the bible doesn't even agree with itself let alone reality.

The bible is what it is. And it is not what fundies pretend it is. I stopped my idolatry of it long ago.

I must admit I get a little evil pleasure beating the fundies over the head with "their" own book.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112377 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What is not there in the text is there in reality. Apparently, the Genesis references are more representative than exhaustive.
Regarding distribution of logical people, you needn't wonder. All your side's people are on the outside, and it's been rather significantly revealed how logical they are.

Remember, just yesterday, when I caught you in a lie.

Ah,... good times.

Anyhoot, I am not biting on your doublethink today. I get to live in a world where my beliefs are not completely inconsistent with reality. I like it better than my former religious delusions. You might too.

Would you mother be proud of you knowing you lie to people every day?

Would you mother be proud of you knowing you lie to YOURSELF every day?

I cannot get you out of the whole you have dug for yourself.

Cult members are like drug addicts. They all have their drug of choice, but if that drug did not exist they would likely be addicted to something else. What would you be addicted to if not for the JW cult?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#112378 Mar 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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I love it when you know you are nailed.
ALL plants need sunlight to survive. And Plants are the base of the animal food chain.
HOW LONG IS THAT BIBLICAL DAY AGAIN!?!?!?!
Lets see how fast our cult control little one changes the subject.
Dogen wrote:
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You are obviously lying again. How could animal live for a day (which in your mind is at least millions of years) without plants?
The Hebrew is your problem, not your friend. You must think that a large garbage track is actually a bible!
You are odd so there is at least you at odds here.
Hello.
God magik keep the plants alive for a thousand years waiting for the Sun.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112379 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It wasn't a comprehensive list. It didn't include statements identifying what God didn't know. I don't think the word omniscience is even in the Bible, is it?

Only in concept.

Hebrews 4:13
Psalm 139:7-10

Also not in the bible is trinity, Jehovah, Rapture, Incarnation, Divinity, Fall (capitalized), the golden rule, all men are created equal, Two of every kind of animal went on Noah's ark, that the kingdom of heaven is somewhere you go, Purgatory, Sacrament, Bible, immortal soul, Eucharist/Communion, Apostles' Creed, Easter, eternity (in new testament), second Coming, Christmas, Sabbath on any day except Saturday,......

The bible also does not claim to be perfect. Actually the bible makes no self referential comments at all (obviously, but some people believe it).

There is also nothing in the bible that would lead one to expect that Armageddon is coming.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112380 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I know my own standards very well, others not so much. Provide the standard you want me to use, then I can respond.

Where an objective, non-cult member, would agree that you did not just get you butt splattered all over the pavement.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#112381 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What I know is that you are once again asserting "We have the WMDs", but you don't provide them to prove that.

Why are you against learning things for yourself? Ar you helpless?

Oh yes: it is against your cult's rules to read other bibles and to learn things that might conflict with their (your) beliefs.

Only they never say that EXPLICITLY, do they?

Okay, a few questions. You do like answering questions, don't you?



What does Jesus look like at this moment?

By what name does he go by?

Did you become a JW after ONLY reading the bible or after being exposed to WatchTower propagan..... er.... LITERATURE?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#112382 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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What I know is that you are once again asserting "We have the WMDs", but you don't provide them to prove that.
What you know is how to lie. I and others have presented enough data to bury you deeper than your non-existent flood. Our position has been well proven while you haven't been able to prove a damn thing.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112383 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Job 26:7. He got that bit of info from somewhere before humans even conceived such a concept.

Actually, humans have known the world is round for at least 3,500 years.

Job was written nearly a thousand years after that around 600 b.c.

Look it up yourself.

Thanks for playing.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#112385 Mar 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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The bible is what it is. And it is not what fundies pretend it is. I stopped my idolatry of it long ago.
I must admit I get a little evil pleasure beating the fundies over the head with "their" own book.
Agreed. But often far too easy.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112386 Mar 18, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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God magik keep the plants alive for a thousand years waiting for the Sun.

A thousand? the universe was created in 7 days of god and the universe is about 14,000,000,000 years old that comes out to about 2 billion years per day.

Of course that doe not work out well for the literalists, even ones that acknowledge the universe nearly 14 billion years old.

Lets go by first life on earth at 3.8 billion years. Life appeared... day 3 and we are on day 7, so about a billion years a day (roughly).

Pretty neat trick.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#112387 Mar 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Agreed. But often far too easy.

Beating the crud out of fundies (and cultists) is not difficult, but they are so anesthetized that they don't feel a thing. That takes some of the fun out of it.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#112388 Mar 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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A thousand? the universe was created in 7 days of god and the universe is about 14,000,000,000 years old that comes out to about 2 billion years per day.
Of course that doe not work out well for the literalists, even ones that acknowledge the universe nearly 14 billion years old.
Lets go by first life on earth at 3.8 billion years. Life appeared... day 3 and we are on day 7, so about a billion years a day (roughly).
Pretty neat trick.
Any way you cut it they lose.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#112389 Mar 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Where an objective, non-cult member, would agree that you did not just get you butt splattered all over the pavement.
He's too deluded to be interesting any more, even as a specimen.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#112390 Mar 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Job 26:7. He got that bit of info from somewhere before humans even conceived such a concept.
Newton believed lead could be turned to gold with magical incantations, but he was still partially correct in the notion of gravity. Nikola Tesla was completely insane, hallucinations and delusions brought on by a combination of genetics, drinking, and drugs, but has helped modern technology enter a new age .... three times in my short life time actually. We don't accept their delusions and hallucinations just because they were correct on one or two things, we simply discard them and recall the great contributions they offered the species.

You are so illogical you think that just because they hypothesized one correct notion that the entire story is valid, that would be as silly as saying one correct notion is invalid just because one flaw can be proven. The problem with your bible is that it's all assertions, and most of the assertions are simply myths and legends repeated, with the settings and character names changed to suit a different culture. The ancient Arabs gave us iron, metal "from the sky," do you accept their entire religion because they got that one thing correct?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#112391 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So then your god is a failure at engineering and unimaginative. I don't think any god would like to be blamed in such a way.
It's certain you're not an engineer since you don't understand/accept use of common design elements across various designs.

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