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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 164684 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111853 Mar 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
The question was raised by your side that if there was a global flood 4500 years ago, why virually no salt content in the meteor crater lake? I answered the question.
Your response was wrong.

I give as two examples of the error in your logic the Great Salt Lake in Utah, and the Dead Sea between Jordan, Israel and the West Bank (among others).

Both of the above lakes ONLY receive water now from fresh water sources and precipitation, but the salt that was in the seawater that once covered these areas is still there in the present bodies of water.

The salt REMAINS SUSPENDED in the water once introduced. The water in the lake may evaporate, and be replenished, but the salt remains after evaporation, and mixes with the fresh water that may replace it.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#111854 Mar 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
The question was raised by your side that if there was a global flood 4500 years ago, why virually no salt content in the meteor crater lake? I answered the question.

Is your answer from a confirmed reliable source?

Again, the discrepancy between what you require for evidence from science [1 in 10^100 chance of being wrong still could be wrong and is not acceptable] vs. what you consider acceptable for your own views [hey, if there is odds are 10^100 against something being right it still COULD be right,.... right?] is alarming.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#111855 Mar 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for reinforcing my long-standing point regarding you by doing the translation math devoid of any data from the translations.

I heard you say that you were busted so are going to avoid the issue.


Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry dude, but you did not even look at the list. If you did you kept your comments to yourself and just asked me to pick one. It is the body of evidence that refutes or makes a point. Not one datum.
<quoted text>
I did not pick the scholars. The Watchtowerites picked them (or I should say "quotemined" them. But when there comments are put back into larger context (what the site did) it exposes the fraud.
JW's are good at lying. They are all under the influence of satan who is the author of lies.
<quoted text>
This is a lie. You are a good JW. You lie well as your master commands you to do.
<quoted text>
Lets do the math.
Other translations vs. JW cult translation.
Other translation: Professional translators.
JW Cult version: Guys without H.S. diplomas, no Greek and no Hebrew knowledge.
Other translations: Aware of the issues of culture, history, concurrent events, etc.
JW Cult version: Apparently oblivious to these issues.
Other translations: Professionals
JW Cult version: amateurs.
Other translations: each with their own agenda, but in substantial agreement with each other.
JW cult version: Professionals say they aren't even close and that they lied about what source material they used.
Other translations: serious scholarship.
JW cult version: serious joke.
<quoted text>
I have provided you with a list of just some of the more glaring ones. You ignored that too.
You are very deceitful. But that is characteristic of those whom satan works through.
Fortunately the grip of satan is limited. Nearly 70% of children raised as JW's eventually leave the cult. There are literally thousands of web sites by and for former JW cult members. Some preach against the cult. Others simply help people recover a normal life.
To be a true cult follower you have to submit reports on your attempted brainwashing of others, monthly, I believe.
They have the highest conversion rate and highest rate of membership loss of any major cult in the US.
JWism is a totalitarian regime where genuine dissent is not tolerated.
BTW, prophecy is an indication that word is from God and FALSE prophecy is an indication that the word is from that other guy.
What is the JW track record on prophecy? 100% right?
75%?
50......
Oh......

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#111856 Mar 8, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Your response was wrong.
I give as two examples of the error in your logic the Great Salt Lake in Utah, and the Dead Sea between Jordan, Israel and the West Bank (among others).
Both of the above lakes ONLY receive water now from fresh water sources and precipitation, but the salt that was in the seawater that once covered these areas is still there in the present bodies of water.
The salt REMAINS SUSPENDED in the water once introduced. The water in the lake may evaporate, and be replenished, but the salt remains after evaporation, and mixes with the fresh water that may replace it.

Actually, the Great Salt Lake has more salt than sea water. It gets salt from the surrounding tributaries and from the rock beneath it. It is actually getting more salty all the time.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#111857 Mar 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
.......

Did I mention:


..... you did not even look at the list. If you did you kept your comments to yourself and just asked me to pick one. It is the body of evidence that refutes or makes a point. Not one datum.
<quoted text>
I did not pick the scholars. The Watchtowerites picked them (or I should say "quotemined" them. But when there comments are put back into larger context (what the site did) it exposes the fraud.
JW's are good at lying. They are all under the influence of satan who is the author of lies.
<quoted text>
This is a lie. You are a good JW. You lie well as your master commands you to do.
<quoted text>
Lets do the math.
Other translations vs. JW cult translation.
Other translation: Professional translators.
JW Cult version: Guys without H.S. diplomas, no Greek and no Hebrew knowledge.
Other translations: Aware of the issues of culture, history, concurrent events, etc.
JW Cult version: Apparently oblivious to these issues.
Other translations: Professionals
JW Cult version: amateurs.
Other translations: each with their own agenda, but in substantial agreement with each other.
JW cult version: Professionals say they aren't even close and that they lied about what source material they used.
Other translations: serious scholarship.
JW cult version: serious joke.
<quoted text>
I have provided you with a list of just some of the more glaring ones. You ignored that too.
You are very deceitful. But that is characteristic of those whom satan works through.
Fortunately the grip of satan is limited. Nearly 70% of children raised as JW's eventually leave the cult. There are literally thousands of web sites by and for former JW cult members. Some preach against the cult. Others simply help people recover a normal life.
To be a true cult follower you have to submit reports on your attempted brainwashing of others, monthly, I believe.
They have the highest conversion rate and highest rate of membership loss of any major cult in the US.
JWism is a totalitarian regime where genuine dissent is not tolerated.
BTW, prophecy is an indication that word is from God and FALSE prophecy is an indication that the word is from that other guy.
What is the JW track record on prophecy? 100% right?
75%?
50......
Oh......

25%.......

Run away again!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#111858 Mar 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible does contain some poetry. Nothing prevents poetry from being completely factual or requires poetry to be unreal. Also, the Bible does not present itself as folklore. I await your provision of data to confirm your assertion.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4260190720/h8649...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111859 Mar 8, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, the Great Salt Lake has more salt than sea water. It gets salt from the surrounding tributaries and from the rock beneath it. It is actually getting more salty all the time.
I'll give you that. But the point remains that KAB's point is BS.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#111860 Mar 8, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give you that. But the point remains that KAB's point is BS.

Thanks for the news flash, Mr. Obvious.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111861 Mar 8, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the news flash, Mr. Obvious.
Point being (now that I'm on a 'puter, not on iphone) that even if the body of water in question WAS isolated, that the salt would not dissapate or otherwise 'go away'.

And in your examples, the salt from the surrounding sediment that contributed to the Great Salt Lake and the Dead Sea were supplied by ancient saltwater seas (as I'm sure you're aware of).

The salt contributed to these lakes do not go away.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#111862 Mar 8, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry dude, but you did not even look at the list. If you did you kept your comments to yourself and just asked me to pick one. It is the body of evidence that refutes or makes a point. Not one datum.
<quoted text>
I did not pick the scholars. The Watchtowerites picked them (or I should say "quotemined" them. But when there comments are put back into larger context (what the site did) it exposes the fraud.
JW's are good at lying. They are all under the influence of satan who is the author of lies.
<quoted text>
This is a lie. You are a good JW. You lie well as your master commands you to do.
<quoted text>
Lets do the math.
Other translations vs. JW cult translation.
Other translation: Professional translators.
JW Cult version: Guys without H.S. diplomas, no Greek and no Hebrew knowledge.
Other translations: Aware of the issues of culture, history, concurrent events, etc.
JW Cult version: Apparently oblivious to these issues.
Other translations: Professionals
JW Cult version: amateurs.
Other translations: each with their own agenda, but in substantial agreement with each other.
JW cult version: Professionals say they aren't even close and that they lied about what source material they used.
Other translations: serious scholarship.
JW cult version: serious joke.
<quoted text>
I have provided you with a list of just some of the more glaring ones. You ignored that too.
You are very deceitful. But that is characteristic of those whom satan works through.
Fortunately the grip of satan is limited. Nearly 70% of children raised as JW's eventually leave the cult. There are literally thousands of web sites by and for former JW cult members. Some preach against the cult. Others simply help people recover a normal life.
To be a true cult follower you have to submit reports on your attempted brainwashing of others, monthly, I believe.
They have the highest conversion rate and highest rate of membership loss of any major cult in the US.
JWism is a totalitarian regime where genuine dissent is not tolerated.
BTW, prophecy is an indication that word is from God and FALSE prophecy is an indication that the word is from that other guy.
What is the JW track record on prophecy? 100% right?
75%?
50......
Oh......
You set yourself up again! Here's my response to your list,

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

once again confirming you as a liar. I'll take one confirmation over endless assertions any day. Thank you, and I look forward to the next time which, based on the present trend, shouldn't be a long wait.

P.S., Bob says just keep pounding you with the data. It drives you into readily exposing which side of truth motivates you.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#111863 Mar 8, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Point being (now that I'm on a 'puter, not on iphone) that even if the body of water in question WAS isolated, that the salt would not dissapate or otherwise 'go away'.
And in your examples, the salt from the surrounding sediment that contributed to the Great Salt Lake and the Dead Sea were supplied by ancient saltwater seas (as I'm sure you're aware of).
The salt contributed to these lakes do not go away.

Yes. I am aware. So, in short, he is a moron.

Am I right?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#111864 Mar 8, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Point being (now that I'm on a 'puter, not on iphone) that even if the body of water in question WAS isolated, that the salt would not dissapate or otherwise 'go away'.
And in your examples, the salt from the surrounding sediment that contributed to the Great Salt Lake and the Dead Sea were supplied by ancient saltwater seas (as I'm sure you're aware of).
The salt contributed to these lakes do not go away.
Salt Lake in Utah ... perfect example.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#111865 Mar 8, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>The best poetry in the bible is pornographic...
And who cares what it "presents itself" as?
I could present myself as Emperor Norton II with better evidence.
After all, I can prove that I exist.
Then please prove something instead of just making assertions.

““You must not lose faith ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#111866 Mar 8, 2013

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#111867 Mar 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Then please prove something instead of just making assertions.
What?

The "Song of Solomon" isn't poetry?

Or it isn't pornographic?

Try for precision in your questions, willya?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#111868 Mar 8, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief, son - has MazHere found a surrogate or a protege?
The crater is over a million years old and because it is a hole in granite (as opposed to the limestone of Arizona) has survived 2 glaciations. I would count ice sheets and their melts as "over-topping," wouldn't you?
You previously referred to post-glaciation over-topping. Either way, is there foreign detritus from those over-toppings mingled in the sediments below the 4200 YBP sediment?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#111869 Mar 8, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
1) You are sure = Heb. 11:1
2) Discovering/Recognizing evidence is not "another," it is the primary matter.
3) Reputation does not ensure accuracy - especially when that reputation is an unearned and highly disputed attribute.
4) Conclusion does not precede investigation.
5) "A demonstrated reliable source" is not "a demonstrated reliable source" when it is confirmed by physical evidence not to be true.
6) You are not a "demonstrated reliable source." You are merely another tenacious and ardent proponent of blind faith (Heb. 11:1).
Not being a demonstrated reliable souce is why I provide data upon request to confirm my points. What do you do?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#111870 Mar 8, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
You have such a low standard for your data (remotely possible) and such a high standard for sciences (100% proven).
Do the JW's send new zombies to you for hypocrisy training?
"Remotely possible" is acceptable for ideas/speculation.
"100% proven" is required for confirmation.
I object to assertions made without providing confirming data either initially or upon request.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#111871 Mar 8, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
"Remotely possible" is acceptable for ideas/speculation.
"100% proven" is required for confirmation.
I object to assertions made without providing confirming data either initially or upon request.
In that case, you have to deny gravity, electricity, and computers as well.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#111872 Mar 8, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not a skeptical nor scientific approach. That is gullibility. If a testable claim in the Bible has not been proven true, then you can't say ALL the testable claims in the Bible have been proven true, therefore, according to YOUR standard, the Bible cannot be considered reliable.
Here we go again! That's not my standard. That's why you're not quoting me to establish it. You wouldn't be doing this if you could defeat what I actually state.

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