It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

Full story: Asheville Citizen-Times

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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Mar 4, 2013
 
LowellGuy wrote:
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But, as there is controversy, LEGITIMATE controversy, regarding the Bible's reliability, and as any honestly skeptical person would never consider a source's reputation as sufficient justification for accepting absolutely any claim from that source as true prima facie, you can't honestly hold the position you hold. Guess what that makes you? Not just to us, but to yourself. That's sad.
You're entitled to your view.
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Mar 4, 2013
 
LowellGuy wrote:
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How do you know there are no errors between the original stories and the earliest texts of the Bible? For all you know, the original stories said Adam and Steve!:) You have no way of verifying accuracy against the original stories. Decades and hearsay have gotten between the stories and the page. And, let's not forget Paul!
There's always that chance unless YHWH wants people to have access to an accurate record about him (2 Timothy 3:16).

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There are only about 7 billion people on the planet now. What proportion do you think hold leprechauns to be real? Whatever the actual number, I know of none that are demonstrated reliable sources. Hey, we're talking error free record here!

Error free records do not exist.

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It's this post, oh forgetful one,
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

Not sure what you are linking to. I am the only one on that page providing data.

You get the wrong link? Or are you just hoping people won't check?

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LowellGuy wrote:
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But, as there is controversy, LEGITIMATE controversy, regarding the Bible's reliability, and as any honestly skeptical person would never consider a source's reputation as sufficient justification for accepting absolutely any claim from that source as true prima facie, you can't honestly hold the position you hold. Guess what that makes you? Not just to us, but to yourself. That's sad.

He demands ABSOLUTE proof that the flood did not happen. But his standards for his religious book is that anything goes and it is proven reliable.

What Buggs Bunny referred to as a "hipotwrit"!

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You're entitled to your view.

Lowell was not presenting his personal view. He was reflecting on the actual state of affairs as they actually exist. You hand wave does not make that disappear to anyone but yourself.

It comes back to the point I have made over and over again; that you are just here for your own selfish reasons. You just need to keep your cognitive dissonance low and this is a way to do that. In other words it makes you feel better about your programming (er.... "belief").

Can you say "Narcissistic", boys and girls? I knew you could!

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I see you still can't distinguish assertion from supporting data.
Yet all your own "supporting data" stems from the indefensible assertion that we should accept the Bible on faith.

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There are only about 7 billion people on the planet now. What proportion do you think hold leprechauns to be real? Whatever the actual number, I know of none that are demonstrated reliable sources. Hey, we're talking error free record here!
Using the four Gospels, please reconstruct for us a perfectly consistent account of the death and resurrection of Jesus, including the order of events, number of witnesses, etc.

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He demands ABSOLUTE proof that the flood did not happen. But his standards for his religious book is that anything goes and it is proven reliable.
What Buggs Bunny referred to as a "hipotwrit"!
Amazing that he can't see this logical contradiction in himself. Especially for someone who considers himself quite intelligent and an expert at language.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
CM wrote: "Then this must the first available version of the Bible. I can see how the Creator of the Universe "had a hand" in it..."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/...
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Neither OEC or YEC was the basis for your post, was it? Why aren't you trying to defend your post on its merits? That would be the scientific approach.
Do I really have to spell it out with finger paints for you, KAB? The beginnings of the written word (or Word, as you please) began with representative art, and representative art predates the creation myth by tens of thousands of years.
At least TRY to make some effort to become relevant, KAB.

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Dogen wrote:
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Not sure what you are linking to. I am the only one on that page providing data.
You get the wrong link? Or are you just hoping people won't check?
Page 5479 comment 111584. Check the address bar after clicking the link.

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KAB wrote:
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There are only about 7 billion people on the planet now. What proportion do you think hold leprechauns to be real? Whatever the actual number, I know of none that are demonstrated reliable sources. Hey, we're talking error free record here!
There have been billions of eye witnesses, billions of stories, and a few thousand movies about them. If you are basing your evidence on the assertions made in one book, leprechauns have your god beat by quite a bit. Thus, if you hold to your standard of evidence, you cannot deny leprechauns are real, without being a hypocrite. It's as simple as that.
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Dogen wrote:
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Not sure what you are linking to. I am the only one on that page providing data.
You get the wrong link? Or are you just hoping people won't check?
It's Chrome's post. Did you try reading the link? The post number is the dead giveaway. The issue was his erroneous reference to the first version of Bible writings.
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Dogen wrote:
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Lowell was not presenting his personal view. He was reflecting on the actual state of affairs as they actually exist. You hand wave does not make that disappear to anyone but yourself.
It comes back to the point I have made over and over again; that you are just here for your own selfish reasons. You just need to keep your cognitive dissonance low and this is a way to do that. In other words it makes you feel better about your programming (er.... "belief").
Can you say "Narcissistic", boys and girls? I knew you could!
Bob wants to know if you feel better now, Doc?
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Chimney1 wrote:
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Yet all your own "supporting data" stems from the indefensible assertion that we should accept the Bible on faith.
Are you going to provide data to confirm that, or do we just have to accept it on faith (Hebrews 11:1)?

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KAB wrote:
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Are you going to provide data to confirm that, or do we just have to accept it on faith (Hebrews 11:1)?
You just proved his assertion of you accurate.

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KAB wrote:
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It's Chrome's post. Did you try reading the link? The post number is the dead giveaway. The issue was his erroneous reference to the first version of Bible writings.
You're late again, KAB. I'd already addressed that for Dogen and I'd already explained why I allege cave paintings to be a precursor to Da Wurd. Try to keep up.

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Yet all your own "supporting data" stems from the indefensible assertion that we should accept the Bible on faith.

I have no problem with the notion that the bible should be taken on faith.

I have problems with the notions that the bible is perfectly accurate and literally true.

As to your suggestion that the 4 gospels tell 4 different stories, this is quite true. But (to a non-literalist) this is not a problem. 4 different accounts, passed down through the decades till they are written down (and subsequently edited and expanded) are what you would expect from humans living at that time.

It is what it is. Whatever happened was interesting enough that it got written down. But the original witnesses did not see fit to see that the story was capture in writing. In historic context this makes perfect sense as they seemed to expect that whatever was to happen was going to happen soon OR they did not think it was worth writing about.


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Yet all your own "supporting data" stems from the indefensible assertion that we should accept the Bible on faith.
KAB wrote:
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Are you going to provide data to confirm that, or do we just have to accept it on faith (Hebrews 11:1)?
We already know that Hebrews 11:1 is your "supportive data," KAB. What else do you have?
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Chimney1 wrote:
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Using the four Gospels, please reconstruct for us a perfectly consistent account of the death and resurrection of Jesus, including the order of events, number of witnesses, etc.
Good exercise. Let's take it one step at a time, so you can raise your concerns along the way.

Jesus dies: Mt. 27:50; Mr. 15:37; Lu. 23:46; Jn. 19:30

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