It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Full Story

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#111308 Feb 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Evidence for the global flood comes forth most vigorously if one looks where there is assurance of its occurrence and preservation.

Yet none has been found.

Why is that, do you think?

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#111309 Feb 28, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Mybe in your little world where adult supervision is required. I can read and comprehend for myself.

Your post history indicates otherwise.

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#111310 Feb 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Why do you state that Da Flud did not contribute to the Barringer Crater sediment?

For the same reason I don't think that Harry Potter contributed to the last presidential election.

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#111311 Feb 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The cited passages rather clearly explain that those who want to find reasons not to accept the Bible as inerrant will not be prevented from doing so even tho their course is demonstrably a matter of choice rather than the only valid conclusion.
Blah, blah, blah.

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#111312 Feb 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Evidence for the global flood comes forth most vigorously if one looks where there is assurance of its occurrence and preservation.
Saying something silly using two dollar words is still silly.

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#111313 Feb 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Reagan refused to meet with Koop on the looming epidemic of "the Magic Bullet from God." Is there any wonder Marky Boy also exhibits selective Alzheimers?
I kinda liked the McBLT. I must have a memory block of my own about the McDLT.
Relive the magic: http://youtu.be/UTSdUOC8Kac

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#111314 Feb 28, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Mybe in your little world where adult supervision is required. I can read and comprehend for myself.
Yes, as you've shown the ability to do regarding the scientific method. Touche'.

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#111315 Feb 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The Theory of Evolution is an idea which draws on numerous sources for support. It can only be as reliable as those sources.
It's not the sources, it's the evidence. The scientific method intentionally disregards the sources.

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#111316 Feb 28, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>*sigh*
It's a bowl.
At the time of impact, Arizona was a lot cooler and wetter.
Yes, water collected in the bowl.
You're not even pretending to attend, are you?
I am too pretending to attend!
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

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#111317 Feb 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Why do you state that Da Flud did not contribute to the Barringer Crater sediment?
You already know that answer. The only reason this myth is revisited is because 1) you are just being contrary, 2) you are frightened of the truth or 3) you are delusional.
KAB

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#111319 Feb 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Did you not read the verses. You must not have:
Read all of 1 Sam 17
David killed Goliath, right?
Next:
19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair[a] the Bethlehemite killed the brother of[b] Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.
No problem here. Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath.
Then:
19 There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite [a]killed [b]Goliath t
he Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.
In fact this is a known scribal error. It was a simple mistake. In the NIV (I know, it is nearly as bad as the new world version) it translates it as the brother of Goliath and admit that is not what the Hebrew says.
Most biblical references admit it was an error.
I know, your cult knows better than those darn fool bible experts.
Dogen wrote:
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Besides 99% of the book of Genesis?
Who killed Goliath?
1 Samuel 17:50
2 Sam. 21:19
1 Chronicles 20:5
So, based on the three verses is is unreasonable that 2 Sam 21:19 is .....
is......
[Hint: the answer begins with Wro and ends with ng]
A scribal error is not an error in "the Bible", is it? It's an error in a copy made by the copyist.
KAB

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#111320 Feb 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Thank you for the admission of the biblical error.
Now that you have admitted the bible errors we can move on.
The Hebrew word involved doesn't have to mean "fowl", does it? As you like to state only when it appears to be to your advantage, we've been over this before, haven't we? Remember Genesis chapter one? So no Bible error, no license to move on.
KAB

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#111321 Feb 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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I suppose it would.
Is 'extremities. from your (NWT) New World Translation Bible. A Bible that is known to have changed wording in it??
It's from the meaning of the Hebrew and has nothing to do with the NWT.
KAB

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#111322 Feb 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Numerous sources contributing to one theory - each one correlating the other.
On the other side of the coin you provide a great insight - One (biblical) source of support, many ideologies? Reliability = GIGO.
Start comparing each of the ideologies to the Bible, and watch them drop like flies. See which one remains completely aligned with the reliable Bible.

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#111323 Feb 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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khatan
Bridegroom.

But it is also a loan in Arab frm hebrew were it means complating recitations, spelled khatam. Comparable too:
All men in the synagogue (in non-Orthodox Judaism also women) are called up to read the Torah. The honour of being called up is called aliya (Hebrew for accession). Particularly blessed are those who are called up to read the last part of the Pentateuch (aliya khatan Torah – accession of the Bridegroom of the Torah) and the first part of the Five Books of Moses (aliya khatan Bereshit – accession of the Bridegroom of the Beginning).

The land of Israel as bride , YHWH the groom. Khatan also: that which binds.
And we find arab kuli khatam- refering to circumcision. In particularly the part of skin. Something to bind the 200 to Abram before going to release Lot.

So Dogen i would not automatically use 'groom'.

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#111324 Feb 28, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Start comparing each of the ideologies to the Bible, and watch them drop like flies. See which one remains completely aligned with the reliable Bible.
Okay. Find me a reliable Bible and we'll give it a whirl.(I'm partial to the Machinist's Bible - it's by far the most accurate I've come across.)
KAB

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#111325 Feb 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You don't seem to understand the rules for evidence in science.[actually you don't understand any science at all including that bats are not fowl].
Multiple sources of evidence are called Corroborating Evidence. Every additional source of corroborating evidence significantly increases the likelihood that one is on the right track. talkorigins may be a bit behind the times listing only 29 evidences, but it is certainly in the right ballpark.
Evidences for evolution come not only from biology, but also from physics, chemistry, paleontology,.........
Which of the evidences cannot be attributed to design?
KAB

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#111326 Feb 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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You write:
"BTW as a bonus, your source states that C14 dating places the origins of writing, state societies, and civilization, including Sumer and Egypt at 4500 years ago."
I just sent an email to the Smithsonian asking for a clarification in their dating graphic and that dating of writing and civilizations. I'll show it to you when I get a reply. Its been pretty much established that people in the Babylonian area were writing by 3,600+- to 3,100+- BC
We have known for a long time that Jericho dated back to around 9,000+- BC and the civilization of the Sumerians is dated to 4,500+- to 4,000+- BC.
Now Babylon is dated to approximately 2,286+- to 1,894+- BC and the Akkadians to 2,334+- BC
Mesopotamia continues to hold the honor as the area of the 'Birth of Civilization,'but not the 'Cradle of Humanity' honor.
The last I heard scientists were still of the opinion that Egypt's civilization began with the rise of Narmer around 3,100+- BC and the merging of upper and lower Egypt.
You write:
"What's in a label? Adam and Eve were the first humans (i.e., what science today calls "modern humans").
Yeah....200,000 years ago, and probably part of a group, and sharing the land with Neanderthals in Africa.
You write:
"To somewhat sensitize you to the realm, here's some puzzling data from your reference.
mtDNA varies among "modern" humans by an average of 8 base substitutions. "Modern" human mtDNA varies from Neanderthals by 27 substitutions. Neanderthals mtDNA varies from one another by 20 bases, but they are stated to be less diverse than "modern humans.
Since I don't want to give anything away I'll just ask what can you conclude from this?"
Nothing at this point.
You could at least note that the numbers and statements don't seem to jive. You could also be clear that you provide no data for any of your times except for that which I've already called into question.
KAB

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#111327 Feb 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Equally, those who want to find reasons TO accept the Bible as inerrant will not be prevented from doing so even tho their course is demonstrably a matter of choice rather than the only valid conclusion.
You got that right, given the clarification that this all rests on not a single Bible error having been confirmed. So those choosing the errant position do so without even one confirmed error on the books, but as we both acknowledge they're not prevented from thinking they have such.
KAB

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#111328 Feb 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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"A lake formed in the bottom of the (Barringer) crater, and sediments accumulated until the bowl was only 550 feet deep."
http://www.barringercrater.com/about/history_...
Think it out, KAB.
How's this? I THINK it would be good to determine as conclusively as possible, at what time(s) the crater has had a lake in it.

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